Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 10:24:35PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 11/30/23 21:37, Max Nikulin wrote: > > So to install "klipper is just a program" you run some scripts that > > overwrite /etc/network/interfaces and you blame NetworkManager and some > > other stuff instead. > If you would

Re: Gnome shell freezes randomly

2023-11-30 Thread Zenaan Harkness
I get the same thing, every now and then default gnome desktop freezes. For me the mouse also freezes. About 20 minutes ago I discovered when I physically disconnected my tethered mobile phone, the desktop unfroze. I've also achieved the unfreeze with disconnecting my laptop from the thunderbolt

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread David Wright
On Thu 30 Nov 2023 at 22:30:12 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > On 11/30/23 22:07, John Hasler wrote: > > Gene writes: > > > let me clarify: This buster machine acting like a 3d printer does NOT > > > have dhcpcd installed. No trace of it in /etc Only dhcp. > > > > I'm sure it's running dhclient.

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Max Nikulin
On 01/12/2023 10:24, gene heskett wrote: If you would bother to read what I posted, you would have seen that networkmangler claimed credit for that overwritten /e/n/i file. Then, please, explain clearly what is "networkmangler", what is "/e/n/i", and what particular evidences you have that

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread John Hasler
Gene writes: > At risk of repeating myself forever, I don't need an unstable address, > I don't want whatever the heck is left in the pool. Hosts files do > that, dhcp doesn't. It just hands out the next number in the pool. > hosts files are static. A forveer lease. You're doing things the hard

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread John Hasler
Klipper runs on OctoPi, a customized Linux distribution. As installed it is set up to use DHCP. You can either install a DHCP server on your network and it will just work, or you can figure out how to modify OctoPi to do things your way. You seem to be banging your head against a wall trying to

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread gene heskett
On 11/30/23 22:07, John Hasler wrote: Gene writes: let me clarify: This buster machine acting like a 3d printer does NOT have dhcpcd installed. No trace of it in /etc Only dhcp. I'm sure it's running dhclient. do ls /etc/dhcp and ps ax | grep dhc You don't need to do

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread gene heskett
On 11/30/23 21:37, Max Nikulin wrote: On 01/12/2023 01:44, gene heskett wrote: /e/n/i waa replaced, and nothing in an ip a or ip r was changed. [...] On 11/30/23 07:31, Max Nikulin wrote: May it be that klipper-related "optimizers" add some script? The classic NIH syndrome, advertized

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 08:33:47PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > This machine has a working ntp On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 09:05:17PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > let me clarify: This buster machine acting like a 3d printer does NOT have > dhcpcd installed. No trace of it in /etc Only dhcp. OK,

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread John Hasler
Gene writes: > let me clarify: This buster machine acting like a 3d printer does NOT > have dhcpcd installed. No trace of it in /etc Only dhcp. I'm sure it's running dhclient. do ls /etc/dhcp and ps ax | grep dhc You don't need to do anything on that machine. Just install a dhcp

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Max Nikulin
On 01/12/2023 01:44, gene heskett wrote: /e/n/i waa replaced, and nothing in an ip a or ip r was changed. [...] On 11/30/23 07:31, Max Nikulin wrote: May it be that klipper-related "optimizers" add some script? klipper runs fine on several other bananapi-m5 here, w/o any special treatment

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread gene heskett
On 11/30/23 14:14, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 02:06:16PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: What I just found is /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, which if you read it, contains some examples at the bottom of it, such as: -- #alias { # interface "eth0"; # fixed-address

Re: used vs. unused packages installed

2023-11-30 Thread David Wright
On Thu 30 Nov 2023 at 16:06:06 (-0600), Mike McClain wrote: > Is there any way to determine which packages are used of the many > that come with an install? I don't know of one. > My Raspberry Pi install of bookworm has some 1800 packages > installed many of which I know I don't use,

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread gene heskett
On 11/30/23 13:06, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 04:12:48PM +, Andy Smith wrote: Once you've got your networking sorted out and you are setting up an NTP server, your next issue will be that one NTP server isn't enough:

Re: used vs. unused packages installed

2023-11-30 Thread John Hasler
Mike McClain writes: > Is there any way to determine which packages are used of the many that > come with an install? My Raspberry Pi install of bookworm has some > 1800 packages installed many of which I know I don't use, many others > I suspect I don't use but don't know if some program I do

Re: Could/should you set Dir::Cache::{pkgcache, srcpkgcache} = ""; if all you are doing is locally downloading dependencies of an installation package?

2023-11-30 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 04:52:01PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > BTW could you not write part of your post in the Subject line: > in order to respond to that specific part of the post, the > replier has either to top post, or paste the Subject line > back into the correct place. That's ignoring the

Re: used vs. unused packages installed

2023-11-30 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 04:06:06PM -0600, Mike McClain wrote: > Is there any way to determine which packages are used of the many > that come with an install? My first thought is that popularity-contest should be able to tell you this, because it's able to tell *Debian* which packages are

Re: used vs. unused packages installed

2023-11-30 Thread Dan Ritter
Mike McClain wrote: > Is there any way to determine which packages are used of the many > that come with an install? > My Raspberry Pi install of bookworm has some 1800 packages > installed many of which I know I don't use, many others I suspect I > don't use but don't know if some

Re: Could/should you set Dir::Cache::{pkgcache, srcpkgcache} = ""; if all you are doing is locally downloading dependencies of an installation package?

2023-11-30 Thread David Wright
On Thu 30 Nov 2023 at 21:05:38 (+), Albretch Mueller wrote: > I also notice repeated copies of {src-, pkgcache}.bin files for each > downloaded package even though I am downloading them to specific > subdirectories in order to then install them using dpkg. > Do you really need those binaries

used vs. unused packages installed

2023-11-30 Thread Mike McClain
Is there any way to determine which packages are used of the many that come with an install? My Raspberry Pi install of bookworm has some 1800 packages installed many of which I know I don't use, many others I suspect I don't use but don't know if some program I do use depends on them at

Re: Could/should you set Dir::Cache::{pkgcache, srcpkgcache} = ""; if all you are doing is locally downloading dependencies of an installation package?

2023-11-30 Thread Dan Ritter
Albretch Mueller wrote: > I also notice repeated copies of {src-, pkgcache}.bin files for each > downloaded package even though I am downloading them to specific > subdirectories in order to then install them using dpkg. > Do you really need those binaries and cache instructions if you are >

Could/should you set Dir::Cache::{pkgcache, srcpkgcache} = ""; if all you are doing is locally downloading dependencies of an installation package?

2023-11-30 Thread Albretch Mueller
I also notice repeated copies of {src-, pkgcache}.bin files for each downloaded package even though I am downloading them to specific subdirectories in order to then install them using dpkg. Do you really need those binaries and cache instructions if you are just downloading the installation

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread John Hasler
dhcpcd is a DHCP client with a remarkably poorly chosen name. DHCPCD(8)System Manager’s Manual DHCPCD(8) NAME dhcpcd — a DHCP client dhcpd is a DHCP server. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 14:13:22 -0500 Greg Wooledge wrote: > I thought your system had dhcpcd > installed and running. Why would it *also* have a configuration file > for dhclient? These are two completely different DHCP client > packages. I can't imagine why dhcpcd would read this file at all.

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 02:06:16PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > What I just found is /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, which if you read it, contains > some examples at the bottom of it, such as: > -- > #alias { > # interface "eth0"; > # fixed-address 192.5.5.213; > # option subnet-mask

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread gene heskett
On 11/30/23 09:14, John Hasler wrote: Gene writes: I want to put it at 192.168.71.100/24. How do I do that in /etc/dhcpcd.conf? You don't. That file tells the client how to get an ip (among other things) from the server. The default configuration should work. You assign static ips on the

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread gene heskett
On 11/30/23 08:11, Greg Wooledge wrote: On 30/11/2023 17:15, gene heskett wrote: I want to put it at 192.168.71.100/24. How do I do that in /etc/dhcpcd.conf? This is already in /etc/hosts like this: You're confusing the DHCP server and the DHCP client. People have told you that you must

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread gene heskett
On 11/30/23 07:31, Max Nikulin wrote: On 30/11/2023 17:15, gene heskett wrote: On 11/29/23 23:52, Max Nikulin wrote: On 30/11/2023 11:07, gene heskett wrote: root@mkspi:/etc# nmcli -bash: nmcli: command not found --- However it did not work, and the file was

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 04:12:48PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Once you've got your networking sorted out and you are setting up an > NTP server, your next issue will be that one NTP server isn't > enough: > > >

Re: Utiliser G'MIC dans gimp

2023-11-30 Thread benoit
Le jeudi 30 novembre 2023 à 17:11, benoit a écrit : > Bonjour, > > J'ai installé le paquet gimp-gmic, mais c'est grisé dans gimp > > https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/gimp-gmic > > Je ne sais pas comme l'activer. Je me répond ! Désolé, je n'avais pas essayé... Ca s'active quand on ouvre une

Utiliser G'MIC dans gimp

2023-11-30 Thread benoit
Bonjour, J'ai installé le paquet gimp-gmic, mais c'est grisé dans gimp https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/gimp-gmic Je ne sais pas comme l'activer. Merci d'avance -- Benoit Envoyé avec la messagerie sécurisée [Proton Mail.](https://proton.me/)

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Gene, On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 01:52:46PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 11/29/23 13:20, John Hasler wrote: > > But first fix that address. > > How, John? QIDI is afraid of enabling full net access because it might > overwrite some of their special stuff. Right now its running armbian buster,

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 11:52:04 +0700 Max Nikulin wrote: > Charles suggests to enable DHCP server on your router and I support > him. A nitpick, if I may. Apparently not all commercial routers support static addressing via DHCP. I was suggesting Gene use the ISC DHCP server, which does not have to

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread John Hasler
Gene writes: > I want to put it at 192.168.71.100/24. How do I do that in > /etc/dhcpcd.conf? You don't. That file tells the client how to get an ip (among other things) from the server. The default configuration should work. You assign static ips on the server when using dhcp. But why do you

Re: Set UEFI boot target with Windows (was: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router)

2023-11-30 Thread Joe
On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 13:27:59 +0100 Arno Lehmann wrote: > > ... have you ever tried > > bcdedit /bootsequence > > In general, the built-in help of bcdedit is not bad, needs a bit of > patience, though. > > And of course we lack the flexibility of tools such as awk or sed on > Windows, to

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Greg Wooledge
> On 30/11/2023 17:15, gene heskett wrote: > > I want to put it at 192.168.71.100/24. How do I do that in > > /etc/dhcpcd.conf? This is already in /etc/hosts like this: You're confusing the DHCP server and the DHCP client. People have told you that you must either configure the static IP on the

Re: Set UEFI boot target with Windows

2023-11-30 Thread Max Nikulin
On 30/11/2023 19:27, Arno Lehmann wrote: Am 30.11.2023 um 12:52 schrieb Joe: I have a netbook which, left to its own devices, will always boot to Windows, and cannot be made to boot to anything else from the UEFI part of whatever we're supposed to call the BIOS these days. ... have you ever

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Max Nikulin
On 30/11/2023 17:15, gene heskett wrote: On 11/29/23 23:52, Max Nikulin wrote: On 30/11/2023 11:07, gene heskett wrote: root@mkspi:/etc# nmcli -bash: nmcli: command not found --- However it did not work, and the file was replaced by one containing only lo by

Set UEFI boot target with Windows (was: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router)

2023-11-30 Thread Arno Lehmann
Bit of a digression here, probably better not to pursue *this* on the mailing list, but... Am 30.11.2023 um 12:52 schrieb Joe: On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:34:30 -0500 Jeffrey Walton wrote: As I understand things, a well functioning UEFI system does not need to use GRUB. The entries for Linux

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 09:39:04AM +, Bonno Bloksma wrote: > I never used the network manager as that is more work for me, I have no idea > how that works even. ;-) You and me both. > -=-=-=-=-=-=- > $ cat /etc/network/interfaces > # This file describes the network interfaces available on

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-30 Thread Joe
On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:34:30 -0500 Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > As I understand things, a well functioning UEFI system does not need > to use GRUB. The entries for Linux and Windows will be in the UEFI > boot menu, and you can boot directly using EFI variables. > It's the 'well functioning'

RE: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi, I am oldfashioned, I have been using Linux for over 20 years when we still had to compile our own kernels to support certain hardware. :-( I have always configured the network interface on my Linux machines via /etc/network/interfaces and not via DHCP. The reason for that is quite simple,

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Dan Purgert
On Nov 29, 2023, gene heskett wrote: > On 11/29/23 21:40, Charles Curley wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 20:53:19 -0500 > > gene heskett wrote: > > > > > > A changing network is exactly what dhcp is for. With it you will > > > > not need to do anything when you add a machine. > > > > > > Does

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Dan Purgert
On Nov 29, 2023, gene heskett wrote: > On 11/29/23 20:20, John Hasler wrote: > > Gene writes: > > > I've been told that /etc/network/interfaces is not the "today way" to > > > do it. > > > > It works fine. > > > > > Then [dhcp is] something else I'll have to maintain as my network > > > grows, >

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread gene heskett
On 11/30/23 05:32, Dan Purgert wrote: On Nov 29, 2023, gene heskett wrote: On 11/29/23 17:52, Dan Purgert wrote: On Nov 29, 2023, gene heskett wrote: On 11/29/23 14:03, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 01:17:18PM -0500, Dan Purgert wrote: 'ntpd' I think (or is it systemd-timed

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Dan Purgert
On Nov 30, 2023, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 30/11/2023 05:53, Dan Purgert wrote: > > Avahi BS? APIPA ("A"utomatic "P"rivate "IP" "A"ddressing) is not > > avahi/mDNS (aka Bonjour / Zeroconf). > > > > Your DHCP client giving you an APIPA address is indicative of broken > > DHCP, and the fix is

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread Dan Purgert
On Nov 29, 2023, gene heskett wrote: > On 11/29/23 17:52, Dan Purgert wrote: > > On Nov 29, 2023, gene heskett wrote: > > > On 11/29/23 14:03, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 01:17:18PM -0500, Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > > 'ntpd' I think (or is it systemd-timed or something

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread gene heskett
On 11/29/23 23:52, Max Nikulin wrote: On 30/11/2023 11:07, gene heskett wrote: root@mkspi:/etc# networkctl WARNING: systemd-networkd is not running, output will be incomplete. IDX LINK TYPE   OPERATIONAL SETUP    1 lo   loopback   n/a

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread gene heskett
On 11/29/23 23:52, Max Nikulin wrote: On 30/11/2023 11:07, gene heskett wrote: root@mkspi:/etc# networkctl WARNING: systemd-networkd is not running, output will be incomplete. IDX LINK TYPE   OPERATIONAL SETUP    1 lo   loopback   n/a

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-11-30 Thread gene heskett
On 11/29/23 23:34, Charles Curley wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 23:15:16 -0500 gene heskett wrote: In what file do I place similar info to this for eth0? That is part of the ISC DHCP server's configuration. /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf man dhcpd.conf I thought so but wanted a confirmation, thank

Re: [HS] installer Signal sous Debian sans smartphone

2023-11-30 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Bonjour, Le 2023-11-29 16:07, Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers a écrit : mais je bloque sur l'étape 1 pour installer Signal-cli : que faire de ceci : # Sous Linux, suivre les instruction ici : # https://github.com/AsamK/signal-cli/wiki/Quickstart La page explique la procédure « d'installation