Re: Suggestions? A small webserver for file upload

2014-09-24 Thread Tom Grace
On 24/09/14 14:53, Ron Leach wrote: What package would list members suggest for a small webserver that would enable co-workers to upload files to us? For just the file-upload bit, FTP is probably your best option. You could set up a space for each of the users who need to upload files, and

applications missing after dist-upgrade

2014-09-17 Thread tom arnall
I recently did a dist-upgrade and found afterwards that a lot of applications were missing: open office smplayer skype calibre poppler text utilities And about half a dozen more. And this was after only a few days use of the new system, i.e., i fear there may be other missing children. Is this

trying to remove wicd

2014-09-15 Thread tom arnall
-related files in the system: tom$ locate /etc/dbus-1/system.d/wicd.conf /etc/default/wicd /etc/init.d/wicd /etc/rc0.d/K01wicd /etc/rc1.d/K01wicd /etc/rc2.d/S18wicd /etc/rc3.d/S18wicd /etc/rc4.d/S18wicd /etc/rc5.d/S18wicd /etc/rc6.d/K01wicd And on and on for about 300 lines of file names When I do wicd

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-08-25 There's a OT list for this BS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: /etc/rc.local and systemd

2014-08-25 Thread Tom H
Resending to the list On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Le 24/08/2014 19:31, Tom H a écrit : With v208, there's a generator, /lib/systemd/system-generators/systemd-rc-local-generator, that creates a symlink at boot in /run/systemd/generator/multi

Re: I hate network-manager (was /etc/rc.local and systemd)

2014-08-25 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:44:26 -0400 (EDT), David Baron wrote: On Sunday 24 August 2014 11:45:40 Stephen Powell wrote: I have a static route command in my /etc/rc.local file to define a route to another network. I

Re: Help: Ubuntu 12.04LTS/14.04LTS PXE/netboot/preseed - does not initiate installation

2014-08-25 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Snow Leopard snow.leopard@gmail.com wrote: I stumbled on a problem with Ubuntu installation PXE/netboot/preseed. OS: Ubuntu 12.04LTS/14.04LTS I have setup for DHCP/TFTP/NFS which allows me to boot over network Live Ubuntu and everything works as it

Re: sysvinit-systemd transition details

2014-08-24 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Alexandre Ferrieux alexandre.ferri...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, August 23, 2014 3:00:02 PM UTC+2, Brian wrote: On Fri 22 Aug 2014 at 17:20:03 -0700, Alexandre Ferrieux wrote: I have a Jessie-based system, which up to the last upgrade used sysvinit of

Re: /etc/rc.local and systemd

2014-08-24 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: I just thought I'd pass along something that I recently discovered. When using sysvinit as the init system, if the file /etc/rc.local exists and is executable, it will be invoked at the tail end of the boot process.

dropbox install break apt-get

2014-08-23 Thread tom arnall
I tried to install dropbox and the result is that apt-get is broken. (I do not by the way want dropbox on my system and want to purge it completely.) Here is the output which demonstrates the current state of the system: --- root@debian:/home/tom# apt-get purge dropbox E: dpkg

Re: dropbox install break apt-get

2014-08-23 Thread tom arnall
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Re: Busybox: compile statically?

2014-08-20 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 12:25 PM, antispammbox-debian antispammbox-deb...@yahoo.it wrote: How to compile busybox in static mode, adding some utility different from the usual, -dd, cat, other,... -, example, partimage, with all the dependencies, compress it, and install on a usb stick? You can

Re: Got skype 4.2 to connect again

2014-08-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:53 AM, Hans hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote: just another thing relating to this. I would like to repack the debian package and would like to change these in the package: - changelog - skype binary I tried dpkg-deb -x and also with -e, but I guess, this is wrong, as it

Re: Got skype 4.2 to connect again

2014-08-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Edit build/DEBIAN/control and bump up Version: version (or create a Version line of it doesn't exist because dpkg-deb needs it but dpkg-buildpackage doesn't so it might not be there). I felt that this was nonsense when I wrote

Re: networking fails with temporary systemd (was auto starting of ppp has stopped working)

2014-08-17 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, August 14, 2014 9:10:02 PM UTC+5:30, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: To add to my earlier report: I managed to remove graphviz and its associated libraries. So that now

Re: Irony

2014-08-17 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: In my view SQL is a query language that can do much more than look up records in a single table. To claim that some init system is superior to some other init system because it has 'SQL logging' is, as Andrew

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-17 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:35:11AM -0400, Tom H wrote: Stop in stop job isn't an adjective, it's a noun (or an attributive noun) just like office in office chair. Or it could be a verb, as in a command Stop

Re: Jessie won't install

2014-08-17 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Francesco Ariis fa...@ariis.it wrote: On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 02:24:53PM +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote: Jessie (last testing version) does not want to install in a VM. It just get stucked If it regards Jessie, probably debian-testing [1] is a better place where

Re: auto starting of ppp has stopped working

2014-08-17 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: Am 01.08.2014 10:45, schrieb Tom H: Either /etc/modprobe.d/filename.conf or in /etc/modules if the former isn't early enough. You are mixing two things up here: /etc/modprobe.conf and /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-14 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: In English, both 'stop job' and 'stopped job' are an adjective modifying a noun. The noun in both cases is 'job'. 'stop job' is a noun phrase expressing a type of job, and must be some kind of geeky usage. OTOH,

Re: networking fails with temporary systemd (was auto starting of ppp has stopped working)

2014-08-14 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: To add to my earlier report: I managed to remove graphviz and its associated libraries. So that now aptitude dist-upgrade gives me only 1 'issue' : The following packages have unmet dependencies: systemd-sysv :

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-13 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: I interpret the quoted string in the Subject: header as being flawed use of English language. 'stop' should be 'stopped'. And, there is a bug in the script that fails to evaluate the variable USER and therefore

Re: Irony

2014-08-13 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Charles Kroeger ckro...@frankensteinface.com wrote: On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:50:02 +0200 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Debian isn't as special as you think, at least not from this perspective. Everybody earns money and needs money in this development

Re: IP Forwarding to Windows machine

2014-08-12 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 16:07:01 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Nemeth Gyorgy fri...@freemail.hu wrote: 2014-08-10 11:33 keltezéssel, Pascal Hambourg írta: sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1

Re: Irony

2014-08-12 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Charles Kroeger ckro...@frankensteinface.com wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 21:50:01 +0200 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: I had understood that Debian is in this, as in many things, different from most Linux distros. Yes you're right, that's what makes

Re: IP Forwarding to Windows machine

2014-08-12 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:19 AM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 04:53:51 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: And you've proven my point... Agreed, I just can't see why there is any controversy. You misunderstand. The fact that you can't accept that there may be others

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Debian sid systemd currently fails to poweroff for me XFCE (appears to) exit, the mouse point shows for a while, then the kernel/ shutdown log appears. The last message is: A stop job is running for Session 2 of

Re: Question about dch

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 2:18 PM, George Shuklin george.shuk...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/09/2014 07:16 PM, Tom H wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 10:52 AM, George Shuklin george.shuk...@gmail.com wrote: dch -i tool allows to add new version to debian/changelog file. When I add new version I make

Re: NFS and iptables during bootup

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Martin T m4rtn...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Martin T m4rtn...@gmail.com wrote: I moved the script from /etc/init.d to /etc/network directory and changed the shebang line

Re: Netflix in chrome-unstable on Debian Sid

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote: And what is that google-chrome-unstable deb? Does that have a version number? $ apt-cache show google-chrome-unstable | grep Ver Version: 38.0.2114.2-1 $ apt-cache show google-chrome-beta | grep Ver Version:

Re: Irony

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 4:47 PM, AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote: On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 16:26:40 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Some of the reasons I switched my desktop from Ubuntu to Debian were: 1) To do more config by editor and less by magical binary program.

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 1:15 AM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Tom H wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: I believe the point was that it should be make before break. They should have allowed people to use systemd without preventing people from not using it. They didn't make a new system without

Re: Quiet Bootups

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 6:36 AM, David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il wrote: With Grub, I did not see that endless stream of text pouring on the screen to rapidly to read. Because I (presumably) know how to configure it, I have gone back to lilo. Now have all that text back. Is there an append= or

Re: Question about dch

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 5:26 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 2:18 PM, George Shuklin george.shuk...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/09/2014 07:16 PM, Tom H wrote: From the man page: --increment, -i Increment either the final component of the Debian release num

Re: System broken after full-upgrade: please help!

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 8:46 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 08/10/2014 02:45 AM, Bonno Bloksma wrote: Charlie: According to the man pages all 3, halt, poweroff and reboot, use the shutdown command to perform the necessary steps when not starting in runlevel 0 or 6, which is

Re: System broken after full-upgrade: please help!

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 9:29 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 08/10/2014 09:26 AM, Tom H wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 8:46 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 08/10/2014 02:45 AM, Bonno Bloksma wrote: If halt or reboot is called when the system

Skype substitutes for current Debian?

2014-08-10 Thread Tom Roche
corporations and governments, that having been covered well in the thread beginning @ https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/08/msg00061.html TIA, Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: System broken after full-upgrade: please help!

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 10:26 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 08/10/2014 10:15 AM, Tom H wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 9:29 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 08/10/2014 09:26 AM, Tom H wrote: halt/poweroff/reboot have called shutdown at least since 6/squeeze

Re: Debian Jessie Release

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: PS: and I am still waiting for the replacement of policy-rc.d We know; you've complained here more than once. Have you filed a bug report? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: IP Forwarding to Windows machine

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Nemeth Gyorgy fri...@freemail.hu wrote: 2014-08-10 11:33 keltezéssel, Pascal Hambourg írta: Nemeth Gyorgy's ruleset is too complicated. Use the bare minimum : sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 iptables -t nat -P ACCEPT iptables -t filter -P ACCEPT This is

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-09 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Zenaan Harkness wrote: Joel Rees wrote: This is precisely why systemd should have been brought up to speed in a separate, parallel, volunteer-only distro. (If you don't understand what I mean by a separate, parallel,

Re: Question about dch

2014-08-09 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 10:52 AM, George Shuklin george.shuk...@gmail.com wrote: dch -i tool allows to add new version to debian/changelog file. When I add new version I make this: package (1.0.2-1myname1-ubuntu0) UNRELEASED; urgency=medium * -- signature and date package

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-08 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:25:21 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com napísal: I've saved one or two relevant URLs from debian-devel@ pre-CTTE bug thread. I can dig them up and post them if you're interested. Please, give them. More than

Re: Systemd: follow-up

2014-08-08 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Thu 07 Aug 2014 at 20:25:22 +0200, Johann Spies wrote: After rescuing two laptops which were unbootable after the installation of systemd-sysfs I had

New Install Problem

2014-08-08 Thread Tom T
Tom Trotter ttrott...@gmail.com

Re: NFS and iptables during bootup

2014-08-08 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Martin T m4rtn...@gmail.com wrote: I moved the script from /etc/init.d to /etc/network directory and changed the shebang line from /bin/bash to /bin/sh. /bin/sh on my system points to /bin/dash. Thanks for those tips! Content of firewall rule-files can be

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 11:49 AM, AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote: On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:19:03 +0100 Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: Consider it to be another database format. You wouldn't necessarily try to cat a MySQL or PostgreSQL datastore; you'd use the

Re: End of hypocrisy, beginning of reason

2014-08-06 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:01 PM, AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote: On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 17:57:02 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: journalctl SYSLOG_FACILITY=4 Thanks! But why '4'? Why not '42'? Or even better... journalctl show auth journalctl show apache2 journalctl show

Re: End of hypocrisy, beginning of reason

2014-08-06 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:53 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 01:01:57AM CEST, AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com said: On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 17:57:02 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: journalctl SYSLOG_FACILITY=4 Thanks! But why '4'? Why not '42

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-06 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 5:54 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:33:23 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com napísal: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 08:58:47 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com napísal: If tomh-init is faster than

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-06 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 4:27 PM, AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:25:21 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: So, yeah, /var/log/messages sucks, and journalctl is better at generating a compatible output that that file ever was in itself. I definitely agree

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 14:03:35 +0200 Raffaele Morelli raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen tons of posts sent to this list about systemd... bla bla bla... and did not understand what's the matter with it. I

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 15:34:22 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: On 4/08/2014 11:32 PM, Tom H wrote: Sure it counts

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: On 5/08/2014 5:44 AM, Erwan David wrote: Le 04/08/2014 21:34, Tom

Re: Wireless card unavailable in Debian, but works in Ubuntu

2014-08-05 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 2:18 AM, S4mmael s4mm...@gmail.com wrote: I have a liittle problem with a wireless card of a cheap HP laptop. It works perfectly well out of the box in Ubuntu 14.04, but not in Debian Jessie. Here is what a managed to find. In Ubuntu it looks like that:

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-05 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 11:17:02PM CEST, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com said: On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Andrew McGlashan wrote: Yes, that's what I meant, sysvinit is not broken. I rather

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-05 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 08:58:47 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com napísal: If tomh-init is faster than htom-init, whether there's just ssh running or 100 daemons running, I want to use tomh-init. I can understand that there are people

Re: End of hypocrisy, beginning of reason

2014-08-05 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: LOL, perhaps I'll boot to bin/bash, and then run a script to do everything else. Oh wait, I can't do that: I hear PAM now depends on systemd, for what reason I haven't a clue. Maybe you should look into adapting the

Re: End of hypocrisy, beginning of reason

2014-08-05 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:12 PM, AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote: cat /var/log/auth.log or journalctl 'something unknown by me' journalctl SYSLOG_FACILITY=4 There's tab completion, so on my laptop where I've aliased systemctl and journalctl to sc and jc (and duplicated the systemctl

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: My own view is why systemd fix sysinit instead, where it is broken or rather the packages [whatever they are] that don't work properly. Who should fix sysvinit? The upstream sysvinit developers

Re: The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net wrote: It turns out that the reason I never thought of using mkfs to build a working boot sector is that mkfs doesn't do that. Grub, however, does but I am still a bit confused as to how to get it working. I

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: On 4/08/2014 11:32 PM, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: My own view is why systemd fix sysinit instead, where

Re: NFS and iptables during bootup

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Martin T m4rtn...@gmail.com wrote: I made a very simple bash script which loads the iptables configuration from /etc/firewall.conf and /etc/firewall6.conf files: # cat /etc/init.d/firewall #!/bin/bash iptables-restore /etc/firewall.conf ip6tables-restore

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Tue, 05 Aug 2014 00:37:06 +1000 Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au napísal: On 4/08/2014 11:32 PM, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au

Re: The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net wrote: Tom H writes: Are you mounting /mnt/{dev,proc,sys} before chrooting? No. I did try the mount command after chrooting which successfully ran, but didn't fix the missing /dev. I bet this is the crux

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: What takes most time when booting a server is what the server does before booting the OS (before grub in case of linux). Optimising what comes after is non-sense. And VMs? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Andrew McGlashan wrote: Yes, that's what I meant, sysvinit is not broken. I rather agree. But the opponents cite corner cases where the previous security model doesn't handle every possible access case. I always hate it when

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: On 5/08/2014 5:44 AM, Erwan David wrote: Le 04/08/2014 21:34, Tom H a écrit : Suppose that you have a 16-node cluster, some patches were applied to the systems overnight, a mistake was made, and you

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Mon 04 Aug 2014 at 17:17:02 -0400, Tom H wrote: Didn't all DEs use consolekit and policykit? IIRC wasn't the CTTE bug filed because of a debian-devel@ thread about Gnome depending on systemd (because of logind and/or libpam

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: I have found, in the last day, that Microsoft has apparently cancelled Skype access for versions of Debian before 7.x. With the error message that I encountered, with my Skype 2.2 (beta) running on Debian 6, I went to the

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: There must be an alternative to Skype. http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/fed-up-with-skype-here-are-6-of-the-best-free-alternatives/ In theory but not in practice - unless you want to use one of the

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: In this case, yeah, experimental is experimental, but there are limits

Re: /usr on own filesystem, not already mounted -- yeech!

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 2:59 AM, David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il wrote: Started to get this message several times in bootup or maybe was simply not quick enough to catch it before. Everything seems to play. The Debian installer itself will place /usr on it own partition/filesystem. So what

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 08/02/2014 03:15 PM, Brian wrote: On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 12:24:46 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: Brian wrote: With sysvinit the default at booting is for the screen messages to fly past at a bewildering speed and then for

Re: Bug#736258: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: [snip] Is there a reason debian-user is subscribed to this bug report? Please don't top-post. Probably because it's a debian-user@ thread that resulted in the the bug report and we were added to the cc as a

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: if [ -f /etc/inittab ]; then if grep -q '^1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty' /etc/inittab; then log Fixing getty --noclear in /etc/inittab sed --in-place '/^1/s/getty 38400/getty --noclear 38400/'

Re: auto starting of ppp has stopped working

2014-08-01 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, August 1, 2014 12:10:02 AM UTC+5:30, Rusi Mody wrote: After some recent upgrades (this is on jessie) auto starting of ppp has stopped working. So every time after booting I now have to run pppoeconf. Some

Re: auto starting of ppp has stopped working

2014-08-01 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 09:32:08PM -0700, Rusi Mody wrote: So now the question is: What is the 'modern' way of automatically doing 'modprobe pppoe' at boot/ifup time? Evidently something has changed that has

Re: [Wheezy] [networking] post-up NOT executed

2014-07-31 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Pascal Hambourg pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org wrote: Tom H a écrit : On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mickael MONSIEUR mickael.monsi...@gmail.com wrote: post-up /sbin/route add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0 your route ... syntax looks wrong to me. Not to me. zenith:~# /sbin

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-31 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk napísal: You are, of course

Re: systemd requires kernel to have CONFIG_CGROUPS enabled - installer check!

2014-07-31 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 31 iul 14, 20:13:23, JPT wrote: my self built system is dead because systemd installer does not check if control groups are enabled BEFORE upgrading the package. Could someone take care so the installer

Re: 'strictatime' vs. 'relatime' for /tmp

2014-07-30 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: When mounting a tmpfs on /tmp systemd sets 'strictatime'. I was wondering whether this is really needed. Does anybody know of software that would break with 'relatime' (the default) or even 'noatime'? I'd be

Re: sound problem debian wheezy

2014-07-29 Thread tom arnall
to yr email and indeed, as the debian pulse page says, it 'just worked.' the mic however was a different matter. thanks again for your help. Tom --- Everybody is a genius, but if you try to teach a monkey to swim like a fish, all you get is a pissed off monkey. Albert Einstein

Re: Finding a replacement for my ISP's smtp server

2014-07-28 Thread Tom Furie
is not and cannot be criminal. Using nmap as Brian did, is like looking at a building and seeing what doors and windows it has, it doesn't even go so far as checking to see if those doors and windows are locked. Cheers, Tom -- Tex SEX! The HOME of WHEELS! The dripping of COFFEE!! Take me

sound problem debian wheezy

2014-07-28 Thread tom arnall
Two weeks ago I installed Debian wheezy and was using pulse audio with good results. Then suddenly the external mic wasn't working. I removed pulse from the system and the process seemed to have made alsa the sound system. I also added some alsa stuff. The commands for this: sudo apt-get

Re: missing LSB tags and overrides

2014-07-27 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: All this, of course, assumes the OP doesn't want to use the previously mentioned suggestion of aptitude purge '~c'. And that's fair enough; aptitude is not to everyone's taste. If you'd rather not use aptitude to

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-27 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk napísal: You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test platforms where breakage is to be expected? They shouldn't be used for anything mission

Re: [Wheezy] [networking] post-up NOT executed

2014-07-27 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mickael MONSIEUR mickael.monsi...@gmail.com wrote: I have a fresh installation of Debian Wheezy 7.6.0 amd64. The post-up line does not execute when eth0 is mounted! (by against my eth0 interface is mounted!) I have to mount routes, and are not: post-up

Re: systemd support for init level use case

2014-07-27 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Gregory Seidman gsslist+deb...@anthropohedron.net wrote: I'm on stable, but I'm reading the threads about systemd and I want to be prepared for the next stable release. I run a RAID1 with an encryption loop and LVM on top of that for my home directories and a

Re: [Wheezy] [networking] post-up NOT executed

2014-07-25 Thread Tom Furie
1.2.3.4 dev eth0 Remove the 'post-' part of the line. Cheers, Tom -- We can predict everything, except the future. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [Wheezy] [networking] post-up NOT executed

2014-07-25 Thread Tom Furie
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 08:06:29PM +0100, Tom Furie wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 08:41:50PM +0200, Mickael MONSIEUR wrote: Hi, I have a fresh installation of Debian Wheezy 7.6.0 amd64. The post-up line does not execute when eth0 is mounted! (by against my eth0 interface is mounted

Re: systemd log messages during boot (Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

2014-07-24 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:06:51AM CEST, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org said: Am 22.07.2014 19:22, schrieb Erwan David: Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit : Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer: As far as I

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Furie
are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test platforms where breakage is to be expected? They shouldn't be used for anything mission critical, that's what stable is for. Cheers, Tom -- :-) your own self. -- Larry Wall in 199709261754.kaa23...@wall.org signature.asc Description

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Le 21/07/2014 18:23, Tom H a écrit : On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com said: On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-22 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Tom H wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Damn right I don't use development or testing versions in production. I'm looking down the road a year

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:01 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 07/22/2014 10:34 AM, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: So it seems there is a quiet on the default command line, which does not mean same thing when using systemd

Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 19 July 2014 23:34:28 Tom H wrote: To the OP: can't you install a supported and more recent chrome from google.com? Not on Squeeze. You have to update to at least Wheezy. Thanks. I assume that it's a shared

Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:34:28, Tom H wrote: This was discussed on debian-devel@. I'm sure that if you asked those who want this supported they'd tell you that this isn't what was decided and if you asked those who

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 sp113...@telfort.nl wrote: 1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails completely, this is very annoying On Fedora, v208 introduced slice units and I (and many others) had a problem at shutdown with the logged-in user's slice taking

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:46:17 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de napísal: On 2014-07-19 19:14 +0200, Slavko wrote: Then it seems, that there is way to have policykit without systemd. The alternative (on which policykit-1

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