Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-03-02 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Alexander Gieg wrote: > > Linuxconf has some nice features but it has the serious drawback > > that it replaces the sysvinit. This would break every single program > > that needs to be started at boot time. Using Linuxconf would require > > changing nearly every important pack

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-03-02 Thread Alexander Gieg
> > It seems that someone is packaging LinuxConf. This software can > > also take care of the Linux's boot process, but the Debian > > developers seems don't know about it... :-( > > Linuxconf has some nice features but it has the serious drawback that it > replaces the sysvinit. This would break

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-03-02 Thread Daniel Robbins
WOW! Now my delete key is working under XWindows! Now *I* discover .inputrc! This should definitely be set by default. Can I make a global file so these options will apply to all users? (Maybe put it in /etc/X11/inputrc)? Yes? No? On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Lindsay Allen wrote: > > Ever since I s

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-03-01 Thread Lindsay Allen
Ever since I started using Debian about two years ago I have been gnashing my teeth here because the DEL/HOME/END keys did not work at the prompt. Now I discover .inputrc. This is IMO a prime candidate for something that can and should be installed along with bash on day one, on ix86 boxes. Or a

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-28 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Alexander Gieg wrote: > *All* of this, except those things about default prompts, > are done by the LinuxConf project, a very cool system manager > for Linux. See at: > > http://www.solucorp.qc.ca/linuxconf/ > > It seems that someone is packaging LinuxConf. This softw

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-27 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joey> So when I installed debian, I was pleasantly suprised to Joey> find all these packages prompting me for configuration Joey> information in their postinst scripts, and I ended up with a Joey> working system with all the nec

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-27 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: > So start by learning what you need to know to have a "nicer setup". If > you dont have the time to trace through all the documentation to find > out exactly what needs to be done, then at least skim the docs to get an > overview of how it works and ask s

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-27 Thread Scott Stanley
On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Scott Stanley wrote: > > > On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: > > > > > > I wonder if it would be possible to make a package that included a good > > > degree of the t

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-27 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Scott Stanley wrote: > On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > > On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: > > > > I wonder if it would be possible to make a package that included a good > > degree of the typical customizations? I have setup 3 debian machines right >

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-27 Thread Scott Stanley
On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, [iso-8859-1] Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: > > > > > > If someone is going to evaluate an entire distribution on a prompt > > > > (even if there are other factors), I'm not going t

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-27 Thread Scott Stanley
On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: > > On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote: > > > > > Debian comes up in a much "rawer" form after install - for > > > > instance, no prompt beyond the basic "#" for root and "$" for the > > > > user (RedHat gives you the now famous "username /home/

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-27 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: > > On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, [iso-8859-1] Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: > > > > If someone is going to evaluate an entire distribution on a prompt > > > (even if there are other factors), I'm not going to be upset if they > > > don't choose Debian. > > > > I'm

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-27 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote: > > > Debian comes up in a much "rawer" form after install - for > > > instance, no prompt beyond the basic "#" for root and "$" for the > > > user (RedHat gives you the now famous "username /home/username$" > > > prompt). > > > > # and $ are standard/

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-27 Thread Joey Hess
Yoav Cohen-Sivan: > It seems that Debian is taking a rather different philosophy on > pre-configured packages than other distributions, such as RedHat. What I > mean is that after installation of RedHat you have a more or less > pre-tailored system setup. You can start tweaking your heart out but t

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-27 Thread Joey Hess
Chris Walker: > I'm not sure about the situation in unstable, but in stable neither the > menu package, or fvwm2 seem to provide /etc/menu-methods/fvwm2. > This file is available in /usr/doc/menu/examples. Because of this, the > menu is not updated by default. Is this the case in unstable or sho

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-27 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, [iso-8859-1] Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: > > If someone is going to evaluate an entire distribution on a prompt > > (even if there are other factors), I'm not going to be upset if they > > don't choose Debian. > > I'm no talking about just the prompt. We're talking about good

RE: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-26 Thread William Chow
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Kevin McEnhill wrote: > Yoav wrote: > > #ifdef QUOTE > > It seems that Debian is taking a rather different philosophy on > pre-configured packages than other distributions, such as RedHat. What I > > > > It seems as if Debian

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-26 Thread Yoav Cohen-Sivan
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote: > > > > Debian comes up in a much "rawer" form after install - for instance, > > no prompt beyond the basic "#" for root and "$" for the user (RedHat > > gives you the n

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-26 Thread Chris Walker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: > >On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote: > >> X is pretty bare in Debian after install, too - if you just "startx" >> you get a simple xterm with no default menus, no menued way of running >> another xterm, heck not even a FvwmModule running on scree

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-26 Thread Ioannis Tambouras
> Debian should provide a nicer default for the prompt. Many people > take this things into account when deciding which distribution they > like best. The flag of Texas should be a good prompt. DOS can do that, you know! Sorry, it's been a long day. This .sig is multi-threaded. ===

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-26 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Pete Templin wrote: > > He's right Debian should provide a nicer default for the prompt. Many > > people take this things into account when deciding which distribution they > > like best. > If someone is going to evaluate an entire distribution on a prompt (even > if ther

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-26 Thread Pete Templin
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, [iso-8859-1] Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: > On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: > > # and $ are standard/expected prompts. if you want something different, > > customise it yourself. > He's right Debian should provide a nicer default for the prompt. Many > people tak

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-26 Thread Guy Maor
Nicolás Lichtmaier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Debian should provide a nicer default for the prompt. Many people > take this things into account when deciding which distribution they > like best. My mind is reeling. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe"

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-26 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: > > Debian comes up in a much "rawer" form after install - for instance, > > no prompt beyond the basic "#" for root and "$" for the user (RedHat > > gives you the now famous "username /home/username$" prompt). > # and $ are standard/expected prompts. if y

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-26 Thread Craig Sanders
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote: > It seems that Debian is taking a rather different philosophy on > pre-configured packages than other distributions, such as RedHat. What > I mean is that after installation of RedHat you have a more or less > pre-tailored system setup. You can start

Re: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-25 Thread James LewisMoss
> "Yoav" == Yoav Cohen-Sivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Yoav> My proposition - let's go for the more casual, yet Yoav> sophisticated user. A user that DOES want to read the Fvwm man Yoav> page to learn how to set it up to his own tastes, BUT doesn't Yoav> want to do it 2 hours after inst

RE: Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-25 Thread Kevin McEnhill
Yoav wrote: #ifdef QUOTE It seems that Debian is taking a rather different philosophy on pre-configured packages than other distributions, such as RedHat. What I It seems as if Debian is catering to the more techie crowd - the ones that want a bare-

Package configuration philosophy

1997-02-25 Thread Yoav Cohen-Sivan
It seems that Debian is taking a rather different philosophy on pre-configured packages than other distributions, such as RedHat. What I mean is that after installation of RedHat you have a more or less pre-tailored system setup. You can start tweaking your heart out but the basics are already ther