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Even so, there are other Linux distros that still support traditional UNIX init. Slackware comes to mind, though it does not use the traditional System V startup script mechanism, but apparently one based on old fashioned BSD, and I would be surprised if Slackware and its derivatives were the

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On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 06:05:26AM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 8/09/2015 5:09 AM, Bob Holtzman wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 05:29:14PM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > >> On 7/09/2015 7:15 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >>> I gather Devuan is doing well. So there are choices. One of

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On 07/09/15 08:29, Andrew McGlashan wrote: I still tend that there should be a desktop version that may or may not optionally have systemd and a server version that definitely does not have systemd. It is, to me, nonsensical to suggest that systemd has no utility in a server context. I mean,

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> And re-branding Monsanto is still ... Monsanto. Renaming is just hiding > the facts or at least making them harder to be seen. So far, we've had references to cancer, Monsato and human rights abuses. Seriously, even if Debian decided to go completely proprietary, it wouldn't be as bad as those

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Hitler. There, I said it. Can we move on now? On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 4:13 AM, Riley Baird < bm-2cvqnduybau5do2dfjtrn7zbaj246s4...@bitmessage.ch> wrote: > > And re-branding Monsanto is still ... Monsanto. Renaming is just hiding > > the facts or at least making them harder to be seen. > > So

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On 7/09/2015 7:15 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Carl didn't overstate half as much as calling systemd a cancer with > tentacles. > (Do cancers actually have tentacles??). It's plainly obvious, it is exactly what it is. Read Lennart's own blog if you want more proof, it's all there, unless he has

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 04:15:11AM -0400, Jessica Litwin wrote: > Hitler. > > There, I said it. Can we move on now? I fear times are changing. Everyone hates SysVInit. Most have forgotten Godwin's Law. Top-quoting is rampant. Young'uns these days,

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Erik Lauritsen wrote: I have been a Debian user for more than 15 years, when the "war" about systemd broke out I mostly ignored it, I just removed systemd from my systems because I don't like the implementation. Today I was setting up a new Debian system and wanted to remove systemd only to

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On Monday 07 September 2015 21:05:26 Andrew McGlashan wrote: > Lisi mentioned about > renaming systemd related parts, No, I mentioned renaming libraries which are used both by systemd and by other applications. If they are not used by other applications, they can simply be removed. Lisi

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On Monday 07 September 2015 20:09:12 Bob Holtzman wrote: > On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 05:29:14PM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > On 7/09/2015 7:15 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > Carl didn't overstate half as much as calling systemd a cancer with > > > tentacles. (Do cancers actually have

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On 8/09/2015 5:09 AM, Bob Holtzman wrote: > On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 05:29:14PM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> On 7/09/2015 7:15 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >>> I gather Devuan is doing well. So there are choices. One of course is >>> stick >>> with Debian, and work to rename all the libraries

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On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 05:29:14PM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 7/09/2015 7:15 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Carl didn't overstate half as much as calling systemd a cancer with > > tentacles. > > (Do cancers actually have tentacles??). > > It's plainly obvious, it is exactly what it is.

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On Sunday 06 September 2015 20:31:11 Joe wrote: > You might want to ease back on that one a little, it turns out that the > family have lived in Turkey for three years, and were not fleeing war. > Tragic, most definitely, bombs, no. They left their home because of bombs. They could not go back

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On 09/06/2015 06:28 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 08:32:30AM +0200, Greencopper wrote: [...] Why the hell has this collections of utilities from FreeBSD been made dependent upon libsystemd0!?!?!? Freedom of choice my ass!

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On 09/06/2015 11:18 AM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Glenn English wrote: ... I must be missing something. Why would anybody need to read/write files in the format of another OS? I have Macs and Linux. Whenever I want to transfer something around

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On 09/06/2015 11:35 AM, Curt wrote: On 2015-09-06, Greencopper wrote: Systemd is spreading like a cancer striking its ugly tentacles into everything it can get its hands on. "cancer striking its ugly tentacles into everything it can get its hands on" So

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> I have been a Debian user for more than 15 years, when the "war" about systemd > broke out I mostly ignored it, I just removed systemd from my systems because > I > don't like the implementation. > > Today I was setting up a new Debian system and wanted to remove systemd only > to > find our

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Hi, John Hasler wrote: > You are free to choose FreeBSD. That will become an adventure. Common roots are more than 20 years in the past. FreeBSD is not too bad. But you will notice that it has a much smaller tester community than GNU/Linux. The focus is on big iron, not on personal computers.

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On Sep 6, 2015, at 1:56 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > FreeBSD is not too bad. But you will notice that it has a > much smaller tester community than GNU/Linux. The focus is > on big iron, not on personal computers. Servers, Internet domains -- medium iron. That's why I tried

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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 22:40:11 -0400 Doug wrote: > > > On 09/05/2015 09:40 PM, Glenn English wrote: > > On Sep 5, 2015, at 6:23 PM, Erik Lauritsen wrote: > > > >> I have been a Debian user for more than 15 years, when the "war" about > >>

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Doug McGarrett: The last time I looked--about 6 months ago--FreeBSD requires a filesystem that is not compatible with Linux or Windows; nothing cancommunicate with it. About six months ago, FreeBSD could still perfectly happily run on UFS volumes, and there was no such requirement. I am

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 08:32:30AM +0200, Greencopper wrote: [...] > > Why the hell has this collections of utilities from FreeBSD been made > > dependent > > upon libsystemd0!?!?!? > > > > Freedom of choice my ass! > > Hi Erik > > Systemd is

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On 05 Sep 2015, John Hasler wrote: > Erik Lauritsen writes: > > Freedom of choice my ass! > > You are free to choose FreeBSD. > -- Or OpenBSD, which for my money is a better bet for the Desktop. -- Anthony Campbellhttp://www.acampbell.uk

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On Sep 6, 2015, at 9:48 AM, Martin Read wrote: > On 06/09/15 16:11, Doug wrote: >> Perhaps BCD can read a DOS file. It's the _other_ way I'm thinking of. I >> want to be able to access BCD from Linux or Windows, and vice-versa-- >> access Linux and/or Windows from BCD.

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On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Glenn English wrote: > ... > I must be missing something. Why would anybody need to read/write files in > the format of another OS? > > I have Macs and Linux. Whenever I want to transfer something around the > house, I use SCP. Around the

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On Sep 6, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > You might have a multi-boot system, i.e., several OSes installed, and > when you boot into one of your linux OSes you might want to read > everything else on any disk. Ah! Thank you. I knew there must be a reason. -- Glenn

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On 2015-09-06, Greencopper wrote: > > Systemd is spreading like a cancer striking its ugly tentacles into > everything it can get its hands on. > "cancer striking its ugly tentacles into everything it can get its hands on" So pathetically put I wonder if you might not

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On 09/06/2015 12:29 AM, Glenn English wrote: On Sep 5, 2015, at 8:40 PM, Doug wrote: The last time I looked--about 6 months ago--FreeBSD requires a file system that is not compatible with Linux or Windows; nothing can communicate with it. Has that changed? Or is

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On 06/09/15 16:11, Doug wrote: Perhaps BCD can read a DOS file. It's the _other_ way I'm thinking of. I want to be able to access BCD from Linux or Windows, and vice-versa-- access Linux and/or Windows from BCD. Anybody know if this is possible, and if so, how? Read/write support for UFS has

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On Sun, 6 Sep 2015 18:35:49 + (UTC) Curt wrote: > On 2015-09-06, Greencopper wrote: > > > > Systemd is spreading like a cancer striking its ugly tentacles into > > everything it can get its hands on. > > > > "cancer striking its ugly tentacles into

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On Sep 5, 2015, at 6:23 PM, Erik Lauritsen wrote: > I have been a Debian user for more than 15 years, when the "war" about > systemd broke out I mostly ignored it, I just removed systemd from my systems > because I don't like the implementation. > > Today I was

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Erik Lauritsen writes: > Freedom of choice my ass! You are free to choose FreeBSD. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

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On 09/05/2015 09:40 PM, Glenn English wrote: On Sep 5, 2015, at 6:23 PM, Erik Lauritsen wrote: I have been a Debian user for more than 15 years, when the "war" about systemd broke out I mostly ignored it, I just removed systemd from my systems because I don't

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On 2015-09-05 at 20:23, Erik Lauritsen wrote: > I have been a Debian user for more than 15 years, when the "war" > about systemd broke out I mostly ignored it, I just removed systemd > from my systems because I don't like the implementation. > > Today I was setting up a new Debian system and

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On Sep 5, 2015, at 8:40 PM, Doug wrote: > The last time I looked--about 6 months ago--FreeBSD requires a file system > that is not compatible with Linux or Windows; nothing can > communicate with it. Has that changed? Or is there a way to install FreeBSD > on an ext4

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On Sep 5, 2015, at 8:40 PM, Doug wrote: > The last time I looked--about 6 months ago--FreeBSD requires a file system > that is not compatible with Linux or Windows; nothing can > communicate with it. Has that changed? Or is there a way to install FreeBSD > on an ext4