Michael P. Soulier wrote:
| Great, they're weren't even done with 2.4.14 yet. Is it just me,
| or are they churning out releases too damn fast for comfort? I am
| reassured by Debian's slow release cycle that it will be of high
| quality. Kernel.org is slowly becoming as bad
* Michael P. Soulier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
Great, they're weren't even done with 2.4.14 yet. Is it just me, or are
they churning out releases too damn fast for comfort?
release early, release often. it's easier to locate and correct bugs in
small change releases than it is in
On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 12:53:38PM -0500, Jason Wojciechowski wrote:
It's a conscious choice. I've read that Alan Cox is a big fan of lots
of small-change releases rather than a few big ones.
I guess it makes sense to release that way, I just wish they versioned a
little differently, so
Michael P. Soulier wrote:
On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 12:53:38PM -0500, Jason Wojciechowski wrote:
It's a conscious choice. I've read that Alan Cox is a big fan of lots
of small-change releases rather than a few big ones.
I guess it makes sense to release that way, I just wish they
I went from the stable kernel in potatoe to 2.4.9 to 2.4.12. I had to
get to 2.4.12 because 2.4.9 had some irda problems.
I won't get getting into 2.4.15 for a while yet as I'm curious to see
how this ext3 really shakes out and how it's used.
2.4.15-pre2 locks my box hard...
After all,
Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:
After all, wouldn't
I have to reinstall everying on a new set up partitions in order to get
the support for ext3???
No, you just have to use tune2fs to add a journal file to each
partition, and change your fstab. ext3 is forward and backward
compatible with
On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 03:16:54PM -0500, Tom Allison wrote:
No, you just have to use tune2fs to add a journal file to each
partition, and change your fstab. ext3 is forward and backward
compatible with ext2. Oh -- you will need a recent version of e2fsprogs
J.
So, unlike what I read in
Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:
See, there's no difference between converting and starting from
scratch'. Starting from scratch would mean create a ext2 filesystem and
add the journal file to it, etc... (And this is absolutely great!)
Read some documentation on ext3:
on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 12:37:34PM -0500, Michael P. Soulier ([EMAIL
PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:10:50AM -0600, DvB wrote:
... it's in as of 2.4.15-pre2
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/testing/patch-2.4.15.log
Great, they're weren't even done with 2.4.14
on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 03:16:54PM -0500, Tom Allison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
So, unlike what I read in ReiserFS, I can just hang out on this for a
while and then upgrade at my leisure? This is so totally cool
Is there an performance difference between this conversion and
starting
On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 02:03:10PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
I've got both ext3fs and reiserfs on my most recent laptop build.
There are advantages to each.
Reiserfs has better performance with larger filesystems, particularly
for large directory listings. In one case, I've got a
on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 08:12:09PM -0200, Jeronimo Pellegrini ([EMAIL
PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 02:03:10PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
I've got both ext3fs and reiserfs on my most recent laptop build.
There are advantages to each.
Reiserfs has better performance
On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 09:54:17AM +0200, Morbo wrote:
Hi,
Where do you get those Alan Cox kernels from ?
www.bzimage.org
Incremental patches, smaller downloads.
--
Danie Roux *shuffle* Adore Unix
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Aniartia wrote:
For the sake of mild curiosty, what's 'special' about the -ac kernels?
Alan Cox distributes it (as opposed to the plain old Linus Torvalds
kernels). A lot of stuff Torvalds picks up was in -ac for some time
before, this is helpful in letting the lunatic
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Aniartia wrote:
For the sake of mild curiosty, what's 'special' about the -ac kernels?
Alan Cox distributes it (as opposed to the plain old Linus Torvalds
kernels). A lot of stuff Torvalds picks up was in -ac for some
: Re: EXT3
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Aniartia wrote:
For the sake of mild curiosty, what's 'special' about the -ac kernels?
Alan Cox distributes it (as opposed to the plain old Linus Torvalds
kernels). A lot of stuff Torvalds picks up
A man or a woman with no name [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where do you get those Alan Cox kernels from ?
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/alan/
Suonpää...
On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Morbo wrote:
Hi,
Where do you get those Alan Cox kernels from ?
Many thanks in advance!
regards,
Balazs
The easiest way is to get them from kernel.org.
Grab the appropriate Linus kernel and apply the -ac patch.
Simon
Raffaele Sandrini wrote:
Everywhere i hear about ext3!
What is that? What are the advantages (disadvantages)? How can i
set it up on Debian?
Ext3 is a journaling filesystem, which means that it applies
database-style transaction logic to the filesystem for improved
reliability in the face
On Friday 19 October 2001 21:18, Craig Dickson wrote:
To use ext3, you need a kernel that supports it. Patches for 2.2.19 and
the current 2.4 kernels are available online. Also, Alan Cox's current
2.4 kernels (the -ac kernels) include ext3 support.
For the sake of mild curiosty, what's
Aniartia wrote:
For the sake of mild curiosty, what's 'special' about the -ac kernels?
The -ac kernel patches are produced by Alan Cox (hence the name). They
consist of a number of more or less experimental features that often
migrate into Linus's official kernels after a while. For example,
Synposis: (which I've posted before - hence is in the archives)
Journaling.
This is where a log is kept of all write transactions to each
filesystem. The log is never cached - it has to be synced onto
the harddisc after every transaction, and no transaction is allowed
to take place until the log
#include hallo.h
Rajesh Fowkar wrote on Sun Oct 14, 2001 um 10:37:14PM:
There is no patch for 2.4.12 for ext3 on the main site.
Yes.
Is ext3 included in linus's kernel in 2.4.12 ?
No. If I get the point of ext3-discussion correctly, Linus'
modifications in the kernel break to much stuff in
Hi there,
No, ext3 is not yet ready for 2.4.12.
This is mainly because Linus changed a whole bunch of stuff in the VFS
layer in the kernel in 2.4.10 and as a result the ext3 patch for 2.4.10
was/is a little buggy ( = read: don't use it unless you've got backups).
They've therefore tracked the ac
Without subscribing to the recommended newgroup, can you
synopsize the benefits that ext3 brings over ext2?
Thanks,
Russ
On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Matthew Sackman wrote:
Hi there,
No, ext3 is not yet ready for 2.4.12.
This is mainly because Linus changed a whole bunch of stuff in the VFS
Robert L. Harris wrote:
Has XFS gone read-write? Last I heard it was still very experimental
and read only in the kernel.
Not at all! XFS is very stable. If you want the full capabilities
of an XFS-capable kernel, you better stick with 2.4.5. It's good enough
for production systems (the guys
On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 11:49:45AM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
I am a newbie ftp-administrator trying to build a new ftp-server for
our university.
Setup:
Compaq Proliant 3700
Redhat 7.1 (currently with 2.4.9 kernel)
Three other machines each with 4x40g IDE hard disks. They are Enbd
Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
JS I am a newbie ftp-administrator trying to build a new ftp-server for
JS our university.
JS Kernel unstability with 2.4.9-ac3, ac16 and ac18 and some of
JS unstability using reiserfs on the nbd-devices. We did not determine
JS whether the problem was on
Alson van der Meulen wrote:
On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 11:49:45AM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
I am a newbie ftp-administrator trying to build a new ftp-server for
our university.
Setup:
Compaq Proliant 3700
Redhat 7.1 (currently with 2.4.9 kernel)
Three other machines each with 4x40g IDE
Has XFS gone read-write? Last I heard it was still very experimental
and read only in the kernel.
Thus spake Paolo Falcone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Alson van der Meulen wrote:
On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 11:49:45AM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
I am a newbie ftp-administrator trying to build a
On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 07:42:30AM -0600, Robert L. Harris wrote:
Has XFS gone read-write? Last I heard it was still very experimental
and read only in the kernel.
It has a revision 1.0 and read-write support for quite some time now
See URL in my previous mail for more info
Thus spake
On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote:
As far as stability, 0.9.6 has given me no problems, but I also haven't
exercised it that much. There have been a few troubles with 0.9.9. I
wouldn't touch 0.9.9 + Linux 2.4.10 with a 10-foot stick: major VM changes
+ new filesystem == bad ju ju.
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Daniel T. Chen wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote:
As far as stability, 0.9.6 has given me no problems, but I also haven't
exercised it that much. There have been a few troubles with 0.9.9. I
wouldn't touch 0.9.9 + Linux 2.4.10 with a 10-foot stick:
Adam McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm curious if anyone here has any knowledge of Debian, in any
future release, will prompt the user to install an ext3 filesystem
during the initial install.
It's already possible.
Install normally on an ext2-partition, compile yourself a kernel with
#include hallo.h
Craig Dickson wrote on Tue Sep 25, 2001 um 12:45:59PM:
It's easy if you're used to building your own kernels and applying
patches to sources, but I'm sure there are a lot of less-technical users
who would prefer to use the standard kernel-image packages. If these
packages
Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When Woody comes, there will probably be a different flavour on each
CD-ROM. So you have 5 CDs and depending on which you insert, you
will get one of [ default | ide | ide-pci | reiserfs | udma100-ext3
] installation systems.
For what it's worth, rather
Julio Merino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can it be considered some stable now?
Quite.
BTW: I'm currently using ext2, and I don't switch to resierfs
because freebsd can't access it nor partitionmagic. I hope that with
ext3 these problems will go away, isn't it?
They will, or at least they
Eduard Bloch wrote:
Okay, but as long Ext3 is a kinde experimental, it will remain in a
separated kernel-image package. apt-get install kernel-image.*ext3
shouldn't be too complicated for users, IMHO.
Sure, if Debian wants to supply ext3-enabled kernel-image packages.
Please learn about
#include hallo.h
Samuli Suonpaa wrote on Wed Sep 26, 2001 um 01:41:08PM:
When Woody comes, there will probably be a different flavour on each
CD-ROM. So you have 5 CDs and depending on which you insert, you
will get one of [ default | ide | ide-pci | reiserfs | udma100-ext3
] installation
#include hallo.h
Craig Dickson wrote on Wed Sep 26, 2001 um 07:36:07AM:
separated kernel-image package. apt-get install kernel-image.*ext3
shouldn't be too complicated for users, IMHO.
Sure, if Debian wants to supply ext3-enabled kernel-image packages.
Define want. We have allready
On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 05:17:39PM +0300, Samuli Suonpaa wrote:
Julio Merino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can it be considered some stable now?
Quite.
how about mixing it with other kernel harddrive magic, like raid or lvm?
I assume that wouldn't make any difference, but its on my lvm that i
On Wednesday 26 September 2001 03:58 am, Samuli Suonpaa wrote:
Adam McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm curious if anyone here has any knowledge of Debian, in any
future release, will prompt the user to install an ext3 filesystem
during the initial install.
It's already possible.
snip
On Wednesday 26 September 2001 02:55 pm, Jason Boxman wrote:
On Wednesday 26 September 2001 03:58 am, Samuli Suonpaa wrote:
Adam McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm curious if anyone here has any knowledge of Debian, in any
future release, will prompt the user to install an ext3
Adam McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 05:17:39PM +0300, Samuli Suonpaa wrote:
Julio Merino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can it be considered some stable now?
Quite.
how about mixing it with other kernel harddrive magic, like raid or
lvm?
My experience with LVM and
Adam McDaniel wrote:
I'm curious if anyone here has any knowledge of Debian, in any future
release, will prompt the user to install an ext3 filesystem during
the initial install.
Ofcourse, im not 100% familair with the status of ext3, but is it even
at that stage of production right now?
Craig Dickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Adam McDaniel wrote:
I'm curious if anyone here has any knowledge of Debian, in any future
release, will prompt the user to install an ext3 filesystem during
the initial install.
snip
I haven't been paying terribly close attention to Woody,
On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:39:35AM -0500, DvB wrote:
Of course, once ext3 is in the standard kernel, one need only create the
journal file (plus one or two other tweaks like disabling ext2 fsck),
reboot (assuming even that's necessary) and, voila!, one's ext2
filesystem automagically becomes
Adam McDaniel wrote:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:39:35AM -0500, DvB wrote:
Of course, once ext3 is in the standard kernel, one need only create the
journal file (plus one or two other tweaks like disabling ext2 fsck),
reboot (assuming even that's necessary) and, voila!, one's ext2
On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:58:21AM -0600, Adam McDaniel wrote:
is that even going to be possible?, I thought upgrading to ext3 required
a fresh partition. That would be cool though. Which reminds me, what exactly
are the real benifits to using ext3?
i know i could rtfm, but im busy
#include hallo.h
Craig Dickson wrote on Tue Sep 25, 2001 um 09:12:23AM:
it's unlikely to take a major change like a new filesystem. So as far as
Debian Stable goes, I would be surprised to see ext3 built-in until the
next release after Woody, which is to say, more than a year from now.
Well,
Eduard Bloch wrote:
Well, we do allready have patch-package for 2.2.19 and 2.4.9 and
kernel-image-2.2.19-udma100-ext3 in Woody. The stuff may not be in the
kernel source itself, but applying a patch-package is quite easy.
It's easy if you're used to building your own kernels and applying
ext3 essentially is a journaled ext2. See
http://www.uow.edu.au/~andrewm/linux/ext3/
I've been using ext3-0.9.9 on Linux-2.4.9-ac12 (+ assorted patches) for
some time now, and it's _quite_ stable.
---
Dan Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GPG key: www.cs.unc.edu/~chenda/pubkey.gpg.asc
On
On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Julio Merino wrote:
Hi all
I'm seeing several messages about ext3 nowadays... for example this thread
about Ext3 on Install...
I've seen it also in IRC, and some webpages...
Can it be considered some stable now? Or what's happening?
Thanks.
BTW: I'm currently
Jeffrey W. Baker wrote of ext3:
As far as stability, 0.9.6 has given me no problems, but I also haven't
exercised it that much. There have been a few troubles with 0.9.9. I
wouldn't touch 0.9.9 + Linux 2.4.10 with a 10-foot stick: major VM changes
+ new filesystem == bad ju ju.
Agreed. I
icetea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
| salut a tous,
|
| je cherche dans quels packages se trouvent les
| outils permettant de creer des fs journalisés
| en ext3.
|
| NICOLAS Jerome
| etudiant en info
|
|
| --
e2fsprogs
Good howto:
http://www.uow.edu.au/~andrewm/linux/ext3/ext3-usage.html
Wayne,
Can you expand on make menuconfig will not run very well...
I've never had any problems, just wondering what the issues are...
or am I missing something very simple?
John
Wayne Topa wrote:
Subject: ext3 howto
Date: Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 11:16:28PM +
In reply
#include hallo.h
Wayne Topa wrote on Mon Aug 27, 2001 um 09:00:06PM:
http://www.symonds.net/~rajesh/
Might I suggest that you add something to Section 5. Get, Set, Go...
You can get an precompiled kernel package with ext3 support from the
Debian archive.
Wayne Topa saw fit to inform me that:
Subject: ext3 howto
Date: Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 11:16:28PM +
In reply to:Rajesh Fowkar
Quoting Rajesh Fowkar([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Hi,
I have posted a mini-howto from my experiences in converting from ext2 to
ext3 file system on my
Raghavendra Bhat saw fit to inform me that:
[Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 01:49:46AM +] Rajesh Fowkar :
Hall Stevenson saw fit to inform me that:
You want to make sure that copying and pasting *most*
of your HOWTO from this page
If this has hurt somebody than I apologise.
No, not at all. It
Subject: Re: ext3 howto
Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 02:25:39AM +1000
In reply to:John Foster
Quoting John Foster([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Wayne,
Can you expand on make menuconfig will not run very well...
I've never had any problems, just wondering what the issues
I have posted a mini-howto from my experiences in
converting from ext2 to ext3 file system on my
Debian 2.2 R-3 machine. Do have a look at it and let
me know if any corrections needed or something can
be added to make it even better.
You want to make sure that copying and pasting *most* of
You want to make sure that copying and pasting *most* of your
HOWTO from this page,
http://www.uow.edu.au/~andrewm/linux/ext3/ext3-usage.html,
worked okay ?? Sorry, either you copied it or you were
thinking exactly like the person who wrote the steps on the
'official' ext3 patch site were.
On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 02:52:47PM -0400, Hall Stevenson wrote:
I have posted a mini-howto from my experiences in
converting from ext2 to ext3 file system on my
Debian 2.2 R-3 machine. Do have a look at it and let
me know if any corrections needed or something can
be added to make it
Hall Stevenson saw fit to inform me that:
I have posted a mini-howto from my experiences in
converting from ext2 to ext3 file system on my
Debian 2.2 R-3 machine. Do have a look at it and let
me know if any corrections needed or something can
be added to make it even better.
You want to
Subject: ext3 howto
Date: Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 11:16:28PM +
In reply to:Rajesh Fowkar
Quoting Rajesh Fowkar([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Hi,
I have posted a mini-howto from my experiences in converting from ext2 to
ext3 file system on my Debian 2.2 R-3 machine. Do have a look at
[Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 01:49:46AM +] Rajesh Fowkar :
Hall Stevenson saw fit to inform me that:
You want to make sure that copying and pasting *most*
of your HOWTO from this page
If this has hurt somebody than I apologise.
No, not at all. It is that some guys who post, may not
have
#include hallo.h
Rajesh Fowkar wrote on Sun Aug 26, 2001 um 10:10:35PM:
Is there a possibility of the journal file of ext3 filesystem gettign
corrupted ? If yes. Are there any tools to recover from such situation ?
Remove the journal (man tune2fs), scan the filesystem (man e2fsck) and
rebuild
You should be able to fsck the partition as an ext2 filesystem (if it wasn't
umounted cleanly), and then use tune2fs -j to recreate the ext3 journal.
Granted, I've never had occasion to actually try this, but from what I
understand it should work.
Sean
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:10:35 +
Eduard Bloch saw fit to inform me that:
#include hallo.h
Rajesh Fowkar wrote on Sun Aug 26, 2001 um 10:10:35PM:
Is there a possibility of the journal file of ext3 filesystem gettign
corrupted ? If yes. Are there any tools to recover from such situation ?
Remove the journal (man tune2fs), scan
#include hallo.h
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon Aug 27, 2001 um 01:01:35AM:
Will the file system mount in case it is corrupted ? To run e2fsck u should
first get the prompt at least in single user mode !!! Since when we convert
from ext2 to ext3 we also do tune2fs -c0 -i0 /dev/hdx. Thus at the
On 28-Jun-2000 Sven Burgener wrote:
Hi debs
How far is the development of ext3? Today, at linux-conference.ch some
guy from RH said he was using ext3 on his notebook right then. Apparently
the main developer of both ext2 and ext3 works also for RH.
So, I wanted to know whether anyone
numerous hacks in place to allow you to use it currently. For instance the
journal the FS uses must be created by hand and is an actual file in the OS.
This allows them to debug the fs, but also allows an accidental rm to fry all
of your journal.
That's what chattr +i file is for :)
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