Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-19 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:08:10PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 19 aug 19, 09:54:08, john doe wrote: > > Hi Rico, thanks for your answer. > > On 8/19/2019 9:37 AM, Reco wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 09:25:56AM +0200, john doe wrote: > > >> > > >> Here is the requested

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-19 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 19 aug 19, 09:54:08, john doe wrote: > Hi Rico, thanks for your answer. > On 8/19/2019 9:37 AM, Reco wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 09:25:56AM +0200, john doe wrote: > >> > >> Here is the requested output from a test server: > >> > >> $ apt purge dbus -s > > <...> > >> dbus*

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-19 Thread Bastien Durel
Le lundi 19 août 2019 à 10:15 -0400, Greg Wooledge a écrit : > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 11:41:33AM +0200, Bastien Durel wrote: > > Ok, there muste have been an error somewhere ... > > > > root@corrin-2:~# apt-cache policy systemd-container > > systemd-container: > > Installed: (none) > >

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 11:41:33AM +0200, Bastien Durel wrote: > Ok, there muste have been an error somewhere ... > > root@corrin-2:~# apt-cache policy systemd-container > systemd-container: > Installed: (none) > Candidate: 241-5 > Version table: > 241-5 500 > 500

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-19 Thread Reco
On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 11:41:33AM +0200, Bastien Durel wrote: > Le lundi 19 août 2019 à 11:54 +0300, Reco a écrit : > > Hi. > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:23:54AM +0200, Bastien Durel wrote: > > > Le lundi 19 août 2019 à 10:37 +0300, Reco a écrit : > > > > > $ apt purge dbus -s > > > >

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-19 Thread Bastien Durel
Le lundi 19 août 2019 à 11:54 +0300, Reco a écrit : > Hi. > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:23:54AM +0200, Bastien Durel wrote: > > Le lundi 19 août 2019 à 10:37 +0300, Reco a écrit : > > > > $ apt purge dbus -s > > > <...> > > > >dbus* libpam-systemd* > > > > > > So, dbus is not needed

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-19 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:23:54AM +0200, Bastien Durel wrote: > Le lundi 19 août 2019 à 10:37 +0300, Reco a écrit : > > > $ apt purge dbus -s > > <...> > > >dbus* libpam-systemd* > > > > So, dbus is not needed there. > > Hello. Same here, but with dbus removed, my jobs using

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-19 Thread Bastien Durel
Le lundi 19 août 2019 à 10:37 +0300, Reco a écrit : > > $ apt purge dbus -s > <...> > >dbus* libpam-systemd* > > So, dbus is not needed there. Hello. Same here, but with dbus removed, my jobs using systemd-nspawn fails with: Failed to open system bus: Connection refused So testing your

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-19 Thread Reco
On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 09:54:08AM +0200, john doe wrote: > >> If things goes well on this server, which is a test server, I'll > >> consider purging dbus from my production server(s) on which a reboot is > >> to be avoided. > >> > >> Here is the requested output from a test server: > >> > >> $

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-19 Thread john doe
Hi Rico, thanks for your answer. On 8/19/2019 9:37 AM, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 09:25:56AM +0200, john doe wrote: >> On 8/18/2019 4:59 PM, Reco wrote: >>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 04:56:34PM +0200, john doe wrote: On 8/18/2019 3:19 PM, Brian wrote: > On Sun 18

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-19 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 09:25:56AM +0200, john doe wrote: > On 8/18/2019 4:59 PM, Reco wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 04:56:34PM +0200, john doe wrote: > >> On 8/18/2019 3:19 PM, Brian wrote: > >>> On Sun 18 Aug 2019 at 12:17:59 +0200, john doe wrote: > >>> > On 8/17/2019

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-19 Thread john doe
On 8/18/2019 4:59 PM, Reco wrote: > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 04:56:34PM +0200, john doe wrote: >> On 8/18/2019 3:19 PM, Brian wrote: >>> On Sun 18 Aug 2019 at 12:17:59 +0200, john doe wrote: >>> On 8/17/2019 8:15 PM, Brian wrote: > On Tue 13 Aug 2019 at 20:07:49 +0200, john doe wrote:

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-18 Thread Reco
On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 04:56:34PM +0200, john doe wrote: > On 8/18/2019 3:19 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Sun 18 Aug 2019 at 12:17:59 +0200, john doe wrote: > > > >> On 8/17/2019 8:15 PM, Brian wrote: > >>> On Tue 13 Aug 2019 at 20:07:49 +0200, john doe wrote: > >>> > Hi, > > While

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-18 Thread john doe
On 8/18/2019 3:19 PM, Brian wrote: > On Sun 18 Aug 2019 at 12:17:59 +0200, john doe wrote: > >> On 8/17/2019 8:15 PM, Brian wrote: >>> On Tue 13 Aug 2019 at 20:07:49 +0200, john doe wrote: >>> Hi, While upgrading the dbus deamon, I get the following: "A reboot is required

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-18 Thread Brian
On Sun 18 Aug 2019 at 12:17:59 +0200, john doe wrote: > On 8/17/2019 8:15 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 13 Aug 2019 at 20:07:49 +0200, john doe wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> While upgrading the dbus deamon, I get the following: > >> > >> "A reboot is required to replace the running dbus-daemon. >

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-18 Thread john doe
On 8/17/2019 8:15 PM, Brian wrote: > On Tue 13 Aug 2019 at 20:07:49 +0200, john doe wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> While upgrading the dbus deamon, I get the following: >> >> "A reboot is required to replace the running dbus-daemon. >> Please reboot the system when convenient." >> >> >> I have no plan to

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-17 Thread Brian
On Tue 13 Aug 2019 at 20:07:49 +0200, john doe wrote: > Hi, > > While upgrading the dbus deamon, I get the following: > > "A reboot is required to replace the running dbus-daemon. > Please reboot the system when convenient." > > > I have no plan to reboot that server, what are the pros and

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-17 Thread Brian
On Sat 17 Aug 2019 at 12:59:16 +0300, Reco wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 11:23:48PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > ipptool depends on libcups2. > > Which does not make it require CUPS on the other side - [2]. > And note - a conventional RFC1918 IP is used there. No "discovery" > involved.

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-17 Thread Reco
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 11:23:48PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 22:39:09 +0300, Reco wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 07:14:58PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 09:51:15 +0300, Reco wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 08:47:34PM +0100, Brian wrote: > >

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread Brian
On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 22:39:09 +0300, Reco wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 07:14:58PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 09:51:15 +0300, Reco wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 08:47:34PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > > > > Nowadays that system often relies on printer/print

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread Reco
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 07:14:58PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 09:51:15 +0300, Reco wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 08:47:34PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > > Nowadays that system often relies on printer/print queue Bonjour > > > broadcasts. > > > > And that is called

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread Brian
On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 09:51:15 +0300, Reco wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 08:47:34PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > Nowadays that system often relies on printer/print queue Bonjour > > broadcasts. > > And that is called "jumping to conclusions". > Printing itself haven't changed a bit for last 15

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread Brian
On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 08:39:43 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 09:53:20AM +0300, Reco wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:36:57PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > On Thu 15 Aug 2019 at 22:15:59 +0100, Tixy wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 2019-08-15 at 19:41 +0100, Brian wrote: > >

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 09:53:20AM +0300, Reco wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:36:57PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Thu 15 Aug 2019 at 22:15:59 +0100, Tixy wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2019-08-15 at 19:41 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > The fact remains that dbus is not a DE only package. How did

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread tomas
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 12:46:17PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 13:21:11 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > I'm getting old, so this piqued somewhat my vanity. I double-checked: [...] > It's a fair cop! :-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread Brian
On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 13:21:11 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 12:15:18PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 13:01:10 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > > > > No, I didn't get that idea -- wasn't it you who reminded us that CUPS > > > doesn't require

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread tomas
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 12:15:18PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 13:01:10 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > > No, I didn't get that idea -- wasn't it you who reminded us that CUPS > > doesn't require avahi-daemon? > > I don't think so; not in this thread anyway. I'm getting

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread Brian
On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 13:01:10 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 11:54:50AM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 11:48:30 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > > On my print server with buster: > > > > > > root@futro:~# apt purge dbus > > > Reading package lists...

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread tomas
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 11:54:50AM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 11:48:30 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > On my print server with buster: > > > > root@futro:~# apt purge dbus > > Reading package lists... Done > > Building dependency tree > > Reading state

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread tomas
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 11:48:30AM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 12:24:14 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 11:03:41AM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus/ > > ^^^ > > > > ;-)

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread Brian
On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 11:48:30 +0100, Brian wrote: > On my print server with buster: > > root@futro:~# apt purge dbus > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > The following packages will be REMOVED: > dbus*

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread Brian
On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 12:24:14 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 11:03:41AM +0100, Brian wrote: > > [...] > > > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus/ > ^^^ > > ;-) DE - Desktop *Environment*. A case of selective censorship? :) > [...] >

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread tomas
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 11:03:41AM +0100, Brian wrote: [...] > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus/ ^^^ ;-) [...] > As Reco said: > > > If you don't need it - just uninstall it. > > What do you get for 'apt purge dbus'? Not the OP, but here's mine:

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread tomas
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 11:06:43AM +0200, john doe wrote: [...] > Okay, as far as I understand it, depends means that it will be pulled as > an dependency but not that it is required for it to work properly. > What I'm starting to realise is that to much dependencies are pulled to > implement

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread Brian
On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 09:51:15 +0300, Reco wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 08:47:34PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Thu 15 Aug 2019 at 21:05:10 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 07:41:06PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > > > > I wouldn't try to dissuade anyone from using

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread Brian
On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 11:06:43 +0200, john doe wrote: > On 8/15/2019 6:52 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Wed 14 Aug 2019 at 07:36:21 +0200, john doe wrote: > > > >> Hi Rico, and thanks for your answer. > >> > >> On 8/13/2019 9:25 PM, Reco wrote: > >>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 08:07:49PM +0200, john doe

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread john doe
On 8/15/2019 6:52 PM, Brian wrote: > On Wed 14 Aug 2019 at 07:36:21 +0200, john doe wrote: > >> Hi Rico, and thanks for your answer. >> >> On 8/13/2019 9:25 PM, Reco wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 08:07:49PM +0200, john doe wrote: I have no plan to reboot that server, what are the pros

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread Reco
On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:36:57PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Thu 15 Aug 2019 at 22:15:59 +0100, Tixy wrote: > > > On Thu, 2019-08-15 at 19:41 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > The fact remains that dbus is not a DE only package. How did anyone > > > get the idea it was? > > > > Perhaps because D-Bus

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-16 Thread Reco
On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 08:47:34PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Thu 15 Aug 2019 at 21:05:10 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 07:41:06PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > > I wouldn't try to dissuade anyone from using last century's > > > technology > > > if they have their heart

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-15 Thread Brian
On Thu 15 Aug 2019 at 22:15:59 +0100, Tixy wrote: > On Thu, 2019-08-15 at 19:41 +0100, Brian wrote: > > The fact remains that dbus is not a DE only package. How did anyone > > get the idea it was? > > Perhaps because D-Bus stands for Desktop Bus and according to Wikipedia > [1] > >D-Bus was

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-15 Thread Tixy
On Thu, 2019-08-15 at 19:41 +0100, Brian wrote: > The fact remains that dbus is not a DE only package. How did anyone > get the idea it was? Perhaps because D-Bus stands for Desktop Bus and according to Wikipedia [1] D-Bus was developed as part of the freedesktop.org project [...] to

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-15 Thread Brian
On Thu 15 Aug 2019 at 21:05:10 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 07:41:06PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > I wouldn't try to dissuade anyone from using last century's technology > > if they have their heart set on it [...] > > C'mon. You /know/ you're talking nonsense. Old is

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-15 Thread tomas
On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 07:41:06PM +0100, Brian wrote: > I wouldn't try to dissuade anyone from using last century's technology > if they have their heart set on it [...] C'mon. You /know/ you're talking nonsense. Old is old, and new is new. Beyond that... BTW I still use TeX, so... 1980s.

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-15 Thread Brian
On Thu 15 Aug 2019 at 19:14:19 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 05:52:39PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > [...] > > > Those setting up a print server would likely not see a corner case here. > > CUPS depends on avahi depends somehow on dbus. Try some day lprng, > works a charm

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-15 Thread Brian
On Thu 15 Aug 2019 at 19:14:19 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 05:52:39PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > [...] > > > Those setting up a print server would likely not see a corner case here. > > CUPS depends on avahi depends somehow on dbus. Try some day lprng, > works a charm

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-15 Thread tomas
On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 05:52:39PM +0100, Brian wrote: [...] > Those setting up a print server would likely not see a corner case here. CUPS depends on avahi depends somehow on dbus. Try some day lprng, works a charm :-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-15 Thread Brian
On Wed 14 Aug 2019 at 07:36:21 +0200, john doe wrote: > Hi Rico, and thanks for your answer. > > On 8/13/2019 9:25 PM, Reco wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 08:07:49PM +0200, john doe wrote: > >> I have no plan to reboot that server, what are the pros and cons of not > >> doing that > > > >

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-14 Thread Curt
On 2019-08-14, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 08:58:56AM +0200, Sven Hartge wrote: >> Reco wrote: >> >> > 1) libpam-systemd, loginctl and friends. >> > Useful for a workstation, useless for a server. >> >> I wouldn't go this far. libpam-systemd and loginctl can be useful

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-14 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 08:58:56AM +0200, Sven Hartge wrote: > Reco wrote: > > > 1) libpam-systemd, loginctl and friends. > > Useful for a workstation, useless for a server. > > I wouldn't go this far. libpam-systemd and loginctl can be useful on a > server, depening on its job and

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-14 Thread Sven Hartge
Reco wrote: > 1) libpam-systemd, loginctl and friends. > Useful for a workstation, useless for a server. I wouldn't go this far. libpam-systemd and loginctl can be useful on a server, depening on its job and role. Grüße, Sven. -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-14 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 07:36:21AM +0200, john doe wrote: > > dbus is not mandatory and is redundant for typical server software. > > If you don't need it - just uninstall it. Simple as that. > > okay, dbus is only required when a DE (Gnome,Mate, ...) is present. > If I'm correct,

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-13 Thread john doe
Hi Rico, and thanks for your answer. On 8/13/2019 9:25 PM, Reco wrote: > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 08:07:49PM +0200, john doe wrote: >> I have no plan to reboot that server, what are the pros and cons of not >> doing that > > Pro: keeping uptime > Con: keeping previous, possibly buggy, version for

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

2019-08-13 Thread Reco
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 08:07:49PM +0200, john doe wrote: > I have no plan to reboot that server, what are the pros and cons of not > doing that Pro: keeping uptime Con: keeping previous, possibly buggy, version for dbus running. > or how can I avoid rebooting altogether? dbus is not mandatory

Re: Re: dbus

2013-09-10 Thread Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă
I still have this problem... Renaming all dot-files in $HOME I can only login if I use icewm as window manager. All the other will fail. With icewm I can run some programs, while attempting to open others will log me out. Again, this is for all users. Programs that will crash the window manager

Re: dbus

2013-09-10 Thread Diogene Laerce
On 09/10/2013 02:27 PM, Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă wrote: I still have this problem... Renaming all dot-files in $HOME I can only login if I use icewm as window manager. All the other will fail. With icewm I can run some programs, while attempting to open others will log me out. Again, this is

Re: dbus

2013-08-28 Thread Diogene Laerce
Hi I had this issue on time if I'm remember well, I had to remove the .config directory I think. Regards Diog. On 08/28/2013 06:52 PM, Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă wrote: Hi, After squeeze = wheezy upgrade I can't login at kdm. After I type the password I am logged out. I try several wm, it is

Re: dbus

2013-08-28 Thread Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă
Thank you, renaming .config doesn't change anything. The folder is not even re-created. I was not aware of the existance of this .config folder. There are not new files in there... Ionel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-13 Thread Kevin Chadwick
DBus isn't a problem per se, it just can cause issues, when implemented without thinking about the needs of all users? Right but it's actually much worse than that. Take mozilla firefox even which may or may not have been changed due to me bringing it up on the dev-security list. Without dbus

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-13 Thread Erwan David
Le 13/04/2013 19:39, Kevin Chadwick a écrit : DBus isn't a problem per se, it just can cause issues, when implemented without thinking about the needs of all users? Right but it's actually much worse than that. Take mozilla firefox even which may or may not have been changed due to me bringing

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-13 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: DBus isn't a problem per se, it just can cause issues, when implemented without thinking about the needs of all users? Right but it's actually much worse than that. Take mozilla firefox even which may or may not

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-13 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:34:36 -0700 Kelly Clowers wrote: DBus isn't a problem per se, it just can cause issues, when implemented without thinking about the needs of all users? Right but it's actually much worse than that. Take mozilla firefox even which may or may not have been changed

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-13 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:34:36 -0700 Kelly Clowers wrote: DBus isn't a problem per se, it just can cause issues, when implemented without thinking about the needs of all users? Right but it's actually much worse

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 19:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 07:21 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: dbus often is a PITA! Do you have experience with dbus's predecessors, such as CORBA? No. I guess a predecessor won't help, if applications depend on dbus,

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-09 Thread Erwan David
Le 09/04/2013 19:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 07:21 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: dbus often is a PITA! Do you have experience with dbus's predecessors, such as CORBA? No. I guess a predecessor won't help, if applications depend on dbus, such as

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 19:33 +0200, Erwan David wrote: WHen reporting erreor messages when emacs-gtk from a ssh -X session, I was told that it's normal that it won't work since it uses dbus. Since then I have a bad feeling with dbus dependencies which seem to reduce the capabilities of

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-09 Thread Joel Roth
Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 19:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 07:21 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: dbus often is a PITA! Do you have experience with dbus's predecessors, such as CORBA? No. I guess a predecessor won't help, if

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-09 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 19:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 07:21 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: dbus often is a PITA! Do you have experience with dbus's

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 11:47 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: D-Bus is good overall... There could definitely be improvements in remote connections though. I think there are workarounds... [snip] DBus isn't an issue for applications you'll use with a desktop environment, when those apps should

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
OT regarding to dbus: I wrote: For other stuff package maintainers have to do a hard job, somebody seemingly does extract udev from systemd for Debian. I'm on a distro that follows upstream and there were many issues when they switched to systemd.

Re: dbus

2013-04-09 Thread Joel Roth
Ralf Mardorf wrote: DBus isn't an issue for applications you'll use with a desktop environment, when those apps should communicate with each other, but it could become an issue, if apps should run on other setups (too) and it's an issue if simple commands that worked before, then won't work

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-09 Thread Joel Roth
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 09:20:15PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: OT regarding to dbus: I wrote: For other stuff package maintainers have to do a hard job, somebody seemingly does extract udev from systemd for Debian. I'm on a distro that follows upstream and there were many issues when

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-09 Thread Kevin Chadwick
D-Bus is good overall... The good thing about standard IPC was that you would have to develop the protocol etc.. which means if your app used it. 1./ You needed to use it otherwise you wouldn't. 2./ You made an app specific mechanism (very good if your good but could be bad, the latter is what

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Too funny, under the jokes is one, asking to merge it with dbus. Udev and systemd to merge Posted Apr 3, 2012 22:31 UTC Next step is of course to integrate D-Bus in systemd, no? On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 09:32 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: https://lwn.net/Articles/490413/ I don't know if systemd and

Re: dbus - Was: A thread that shouldn't be mentioned anymore

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 22:59 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: What I really don't get though is why there are so many easily avoidable hard dependencies. +1 We can see what projects come with the most hilarious dependencies and that's why we should avoid EMONG, or similar, have forgotten the name.

Re: dbus and power management

2012-11-22 Thread Michael Soulier
On 2012-11-20, at 9:37 AM, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: org.freedesktop.UPower provided by upower http://upower.freedesktop.org/ http://upower.freedesktop.org/docs/ Thanks, this works now. http://www.but-i-digress.ca/suspend-on-lid-close-debian-squeeze.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: dbus and power management

2012-11-20 Thread Michael Biebl
On 20.11.2012 14:59, Michael P. Soulier wrote: Hi, I had an old python script for monitoring my laptop lid with dbus, and then suspending when it was closed. It doesn't work now because the dbus namespace on debian seems to have changed. dbus.exceptions.DBusException:

Re: dbus sur serveur

2012-04-13 Thread Bzzz
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:49:28 +0200 admini adm...@freeatome.com wrote: la question est: le DBUS est-il vraiment nécessaire sur un serveur (VM) qui ne démarre que des bases et des applis java? Désinstalle les packages D-Bus, tu verras bien s'il-y-a des dépendances gênantes ou non. -- --

Re: dbus sur serveur

2012-04-13 Thread admini
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:35:44 +0200, Bzzz lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:49:28 +0200 admini adm...@freeatome.com wrote: la question est: le DBUS est-il vraiment nécessaire sur un serveur (VM) qui ne démarre que des bases et des applis java? Désinstalle les packages D-Bus,

Re: dbus sur serveur

2012-04-13 Thread Bzzz
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:05:56 +0200 admini adm...@freeatome.com wrote: je vais le rebasculer sur l'autre vlan pour faire un test. je ne crois pas que ce soit très très genant de ne pas avoir dbus et avahi. Pas vraiment, dbus est un bus messager avahi == bonjour = découverte auto des services

Re: dbus sur serveur

2012-04-13 Thread Sylvain L. Sauvage
Le vendredi 13 avril 2012 à 14:05:56, admini a écrit : […] d'ailleurs, on pourrait m'expliquer un peu à quoi sert dbus? d'après wikipédia, ce serait un service permeettant la communication entre services, avec un système de cannaux. mais concrètement, qui s'en servent? `apt-cache rdepends

Re: dbus sur serveur

2012-04-13 Thread admini
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:25:15 +0200, Sylvain L. Sauvage sylvain.l.sauv...@free.fr wrote: Le vendredi 13 avril 2012 à 14:05:56, admini a écrit : […] d'ailleurs, on pourrait m'expliquer un peu à quoi sert dbus? d'après wikipédia, ce serait un service permeettant la communication entre services,

Re: dbus issue

2011-12-01 Thread Michael Biebl
First of all, it is helpful to know if you are running (an up-to-date) squeeze, wheezy or sid system. On 01.12.2011 15:49, lina wrote: (it's related to former thread, but also different) Here the problem, gdm3 restart showed me Could not connect to system bus: failed to connect to

Re: dbus issue

2011-12-01 Thread lina
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: First of all, it is helpful to know if you are running (an up-to-date) squeeze, wheezy or sid system. On 01.12.2011 15:49, lina wrote: (it's related to former thread, but also different) Here the problem, gdm3 restart

Re: dbus 1.5.2-2

2011-06-12 Thread Gunther Furtado
Sáb, 11062011, Gunther Furtado disse: Olá lista, Esta versão(1.5.2-2) do dbus fez o wicd parar de funcionar por aqui. Estou avisando por que ainda não deu tempo de reportar o bug. Reverter para a versão sid (1.4.10-2) resolveu o problema. Na versão experimental mais recente (1.5.4-2) o

Re: dbus - configure error - i386

2008-07-27 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 22:11:34 +0200, Marko Randjelovic wrote: I setup i386 etch chroot on amd64 etch using debootstrap and installed build-essential with no problem. I need dbus to satisfy buld-dep for pidgin. But threre is problem in configure step. [...] Setting up dbus

Re: Dbus, Hald Groups?

2008-02-07 Thread Jochen Schulz
David Baron: Dbus is running in the 111 crontab group! Hal is running in the 127 boinc group! Are these number reserved for these? Debian uses the UID range from (I think) 500-999 for system users (users which don't belong to a person, but are used by daemons provided by specific packages).

Re: Dbus, Hald Groups?

2008-02-07 Thread Kevin Buhr
David Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dbus is running in the 111 crontab group! Hal is running in the 127 boinc Are! Note that ps, by default, displays process *users*, not groups. For dbus and hal, the correct users are messagebus and haldaemon. Since these names are unusually long, ps will

Re: DBUS / Terminal

2007-04-28 Thread Liam O'Toole
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:07:20 +0100 somethin2cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: debian:/home/dave# thunar Thunar: Failed to connect to the D-BUS session bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the

Re: DBUS / Terminal

2007-04-27 Thread Kushal Kumaran
On 4/28/07, somethin2cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: debian:/home/dave# thunar Thunar: Failed to connect to the D-BUS session bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout

Re: dbus, hal und usbsticks

2006-11-09 Thread Andre Massing
Werner Zacherl wrote: Am Mittwoch, 8. November 2006 17:59 schrieb Andre Massing: Werner Zacherl wrote: Läuft den hald? Ja, schon, oder fehlt evt. ein Unterdämon? Wie sieht dies bei dir denn aus? ps -e |grep hal 32: 2942 ?00:00:05 hald 33: 2943 ?00:00:00 hald-runner 34:

Re: dbus, hal und usbsticks

2006-11-08 Thread Andre Massing
B_Kloss wrote: Viele Grüße, Andre Hallo, Hi, bei mir läuft ETCH mit KDE 3.5.5 und mein Problem war folgendes: USB-Stick eingesteckt und der Automounter meldet sich in KDE. Das Problem bei mir besteht schon darin, dass sich dieser bei mir nicht meldet. Irgendwie bekommt KDE das

Re: dbus, hal und usbsticks

2006-11-08 Thread Werner Zacherl
Am Mittwoch, 8. November 2006 11:03 schrieb Andre Massing: B_Kloss wrote: Viele Grüße, Andre Ich denke, dass wird bei mir leider das Problem nicht lösen. Gruppenrechtlich ist soweit ich das sehe alles okay: uid=1000(andre) gid=1000(andre)

Re: dbus, hal und usbsticks

2006-11-08 Thread Andre Massing
Werner Zacherl wrote: kenne mich leider selber nicht intensive aus, aber bei mir geht es mit den gleichen Versionen, die du installiert hast. Sprich, es wird zwar kein Icon angelegt, aber KDE frägt brav wie es reagieren soll Fenster oder sonstwas. Das wünschte ich mir auch... :-) Läuft

Re: dbus, hal und usbsticks

2006-11-08 Thread Werner Zacherl
Am Mittwoch, 8. November 2006 17:59 schrieb Andre Massing: Werner Zacherl wrote: Läuft den hald? Ja, schon, oder fehlt evt. ein Unterdämon? Wie sieht dies bei dir denn aus? ps -e |grep hal 32: 2942 ?00:00:05 hald 33: 2943 ?00:00:00 hald-runner 34: 2949 ?

Re: dbus, hal und usbsticks

2006-11-07 Thread B_Kloss
Am Dienstag, 7. November 2006 10:31 schrieb Andre Massing: Liebe Debianer, seit einiger Zeit plagt mich (mal wieder) die Erkennung von USB-Sticks. Sowohl unter Gnome 2.14 als auch unter KDE 3.5.5 wird das Einpluggen eines USB-Sticks im *laufenden* Betrieb nicht mehr mit dem Anlegen eines

Re: dbus and the bus address

2006-11-05 Thread Jim McCloskey
Kelly Clowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I have something like this in my ~/.bash_profile | (because I start X manually, and I want dbus on before X starts ): | | if test -z $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS ; then | ## if not found, launch a new one | eval $(dbus-launch --sh-syntax) |

Re: dbus and the bus address

2006-11-05 Thread Jim McCloskey
Kelly Clowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I have something like this in my ~/.bash_profile | (because I start X manually, and I want dbus on before X starts ): | | if test -z $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS ; then | ## if not found, launch a new one | eval $(dbus-launch --sh-syntax) |

Re: dbus and the bus address

2006-11-05 Thread Kelly Clowers
On 11/5/06, Jim McCloskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly Clowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I have something like this in my ~/.bash_profile | (because I start X manually, and I want dbus on before X starts ): | | if test -z $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS ; then | ## if not found, launch a new

Re: dbus and the bus address

2006-11-04 Thread Kelly Clowers
On 11/4/06, Jim McCloskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following a recent upgrade (sorry, I can't be more precise), I'm getting the dbus error: Unable to determine the address of the message bus from a number of applications at start-up, including at least: f-spot (which fails to start as a

Re: dbus et dbus-1 : quelles différences ?

2006-01-26 Thread Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)
Le 26.01.2006 14:01:12, Nicolas Roudninski a écrit : Bonjour à tous, Tout est dans le titre... Quelqu'un peut-il me dire quelles différences il y a entre dbus et dbus-1 ? Chez moi dbus-1 est installé. Y'a-t-il un avantage à passer à dbus ? Il n'y a pas d'avantage particulier à passer de l'un

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