Re: Package versions in multi-arch

2023-01-06 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Fri, 6 Jan 2023 at 15:39, Steve McIntyre wrote: > You've been bitten by a subtle but unfortunately common problem, > yes. In multi-arch systems the versions of packages have to be totally > in sync. But the +b1 syntax here means that the i386 package has had a > binNMU (binar

Re: Package versions in multi-arch

2023-01-06 Thread Steve McIntyre
Mark wrote: > >I have a package installation problem which leads to a question about >how (and if) package versions interact in different architectures. > >My system is an amd64 bookworm system, with multi-arch support and >some packages from i386 installed, to support a vendor

Package versions in multi-arch

2023-01-06 Thread Mark Fletcher
Hi list I have a package installation problem which leads to a question about how (and if) package versions interact in different architectures. My system is an amd64 bookworm system, with multi-arch support and some packages from i386 installed, to support a vendor-supplied printer driver

Re: How to request a package update?

2022-12-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 09:40:35PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > File a bug against smartmontools, explain the problem you experienced, > and explain why you think that upgrading to 7.3 is the correct fix. For the record, 7.3 is already in testing (bookworm).

Re: How to request a package update?

2022-12-28 Thread John Hasler
File a bug against smartmontools, explain the problem you experienced, and explain why you think that upgrading to 7.3 is the correct fix. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

How to request a package update?

2022-12-28 Thread Jeffrey Walton
the bug report for an update to 7.3, but I don't know how. The closest I have found is [1,2], which is for a package not in Debian. How do I request a package update or version bump? Thanks in advance. [1] https://wiki.debian.org/RFP [2] https://wiki.debian.org/PackagingFAQ

Re: nftables default rules package

2022-12-11 Thread Michel Verdier
Le 11 décembre 2022 Andre Rodier a écrit : > Howerver, IMHO, it would be better to create an empty directory, for instance > /etc/nftables or /etc/mftables/rules, > and to include this directory from /etc/nftables.conf. > > That way, we could place any rules in a directory, which is the way

nftables default rules package

2022-12-11 Thread Andre Rodier
Hi, When installing nftables from scratch on debian, it creates an empty (almost) file /etc/nftables.conf. Of course, I had to modify the file to my needs, and I know it is not overwritten by a package update. Howerver, IMHO, it would be better to create an empty directory, for instance

Re: Request for Libjasper package

2022-11-28 Thread Floris Renaud
On maandag 28 november 2022 11:24:03 (+01:00), YOKESWARY ANEBARASSANE wrote: Hi team, Kindly provide me with guidelines to install libjasper-dev package for Debian 11 arm64, as I am unable to locate the package from the Debian website's repository. Appreciate your positive response

Request for Libjasper package

2022-11-28 Thread YOKESWARY ANEBARASSANE
Hi team, Kindly provide me with guidelines to install libjasper-dev package for Debian 11 arm64, as I am unable to locate the package from the Debian website's repository. Appreciate your positive response on the issue, thanks in advance. Regards, Yokeswary Anebarassane Puducherry Technological

Fwd: Fwd: Put a package back

2022-11-18 Thread Luna Jernberg
-- Forwarded message - From: Russ Allbery Date: Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 7:50 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Put a package back To: Luna Jernberg Cc: Luna Jernberg writes: > Our system is relying on an older version of this package > libnet-ssleay-perl. > Its left us in a bad

Put a package back

2022-11-18 Thread Mark Killeen
Hello, Our system is relying on an older version of this package libnet-ssleay-perl. Its left us in a bad position with clients as we are blocked from releasing a hotfix. Can this package get put back temporarily? https://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libn/libnet-ssleay-perl/libnet-ssleay

Re: installing & upgrading backport package & upgrading system

2022-11-01 Thread David Wright
On Wed 02 Nov 2022 at 04:52:51 (+), Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Nov 02, 2022 at 04:20:22AM +, jindam, vani wrote: > > * i want to install lo package from bullseye-backports. > > There is no such package name "lo" in bullseye-backports or any

Re: installing & upgrading backport package & upgrading system

2022-11-01 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Wed, Nov 02, 2022 at 04:20:22AM +, jindam, vani wrote: > * i want to install lo package from bullseye-backports. There is no such package name "lo" in bullseye-backports or any other version of Debian. What are you actually trying to do? > * correct method for bef

installing & upgrading backport package & upgrading system

2022-11-01 Thread jindam, vani
* i want to install lo package from bullseye-backports. * correct method for before installation of backport lo package? : (1) sudo apt -t bullseye-backports update && sudo apt -t bullseye-backports full-upgrade sudo apt -t bullseye-backports install lo (2) sudo apt update &&am

[SOLVED] Re: How to create a kernel package

2022-10-07 Thread Hans
Hi all, thanks for pointing me to the wiki and the hint with the script. Yes, in the meantime things have changed, I was not aware of the bindep-pkg command. I looked into the manual, but this specific command I did not find, but lots of very usefull other descriptions. So, this little

Re: How to create a kernel package

2022-10-07 Thread Thomas Pircher
Hans wrote: I want to create a kernel package, which I can install with dpkg. There was a command doing it instead of "make && make install", and I could not find it any more. Last time I did it is a long time ago. Does someone know? I also don't remember the old command,

Re: How to create a kernel package

2022-10-07 Thread Georgi Naplatanov
On 10/7/22 11:00, Hans wrote: Hi folks, some easy questions. I want to create a kernel package, which I can install with dpkg. There was a command doing it instead of "make && make install", and I could not find it any more. Last time I did it is a long time ago. Does some

How to create a kernel package

2022-10-07 Thread Hans
Hi folks, some easy questions. I want to create a kernel package, which I can install with dpkg. There was a command doing it instead of "make && make install", and I could not find it any more. Last time I did it is a long time ago. Does someone know? Second question:

Re: sshd package systemd misconfiguration?

2022-09-17 Thread Michael
On Friday, 16 September 2022 13:25:06 CEST, Greg Wooledge wrote: I did find this paragraph in systemd.exec(5): me, too. if i run into a problem, the first thing i do is to read. and, yes: i do read even man pages! ;) Maybe you can find a workaround there, and/or contribute your workaround

Re: sshd package systemd misconfiguration?

2022-09-17 Thread Michael
On Friday, 16 September 2022 14:10:01 CEST, Frank wrote: Apparently this has already been 'fixed' for bookworm. [...] so, this issue is known and 'they' did something about it. Maybe file a bug report to have this added for bullseye? since this issue is known, 'they' should be aware of

Re: sshd package systemd misconfiguration?

2022-09-16 Thread David Wright
On Fri 16 Sep 2022 at 09:17:10 (+0200), Michael wrote: > On Thursday, 15 September 2022 13:01:45 CEST, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > of course the first thing i did was to check if all the files from the > package were as they should be, and everything was fine! > > > It's s

Re: sshd package systemd misconfiguration?

2022-09-16 Thread Frank
Op 16-09-2022 om 09:17 schreef Michael: with ssh@.service it is completely different. for each connection there is a dedicated sshd process being started, and each one of them has the same /run/sshd directory assigned. and that's the problem if you have more than one connection to a given host.

Re: sshd package systemd misconfiguration?

2022-09-16 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 09:17:10AM +0200, Michael wrote: > On Thursday, 15 September 2022 13:01:45 CEST, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > unicorn:/lib/systemd/system$ grep RuntimeDirectory ssh@.service > > RuntimeDirectory=sshd > > RuntimeDirectoryMode=0755 > with ssh@.service it is completely different.

Re: sshd package systemd misconfiguration?

2022-09-16 Thread Jonathan Dowland
I've been hit by this too. Likewise I haven't deliberately configured sshd for socket activation nor tampered with unit files. In my case the host was a newly imaged raspberry pi using the images linked from the Debian Wiki. I haven't done any further investigation. -- Jonathan Dowland

Re: sshd package systemd misconfiguration?

2022-09-16 Thread Michael
On Thursday, 15 September 2022 13:01:45 CEST, Greg Wooledge wrote: of course the first thing i did was to check if all the files from the package were as they should be, and everything was fine! It's supposed to be created as needed. There should be two lines in the unit file: unicorn

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-15 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
tions or functions are being rejected, but because bugs > > are not being fixed. Those are two very different things. Maybe it's just > > too hard > > for volunteers to fix the bugs and make Debian better, and maybe we need to > > pay the volunteers so they are not volunteers a

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-15 Thread Dan Ritter
Maude Summerside wrote: > > > On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" > >> unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers > >> to

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-15 Thread Maude Summerside
bugs and make Debian better, and maybe we need to > pay the volunteers so they are not volunteers anymore and will be motivated > to actually fix the Debian software. The fact that Debian is created by > volunteers > is probably one of the really big disadvantages of Debian software. > I think

Re: sshd package systemd misconfiguration?

2022-09-15 Thread Greg Wooledge
on your system which suppresses this, or that someone has actually edited the unit file in /lib. The latter should never happen, as a package upgrade will replace the file and destroy the edits. If the former has happened, you should see ssh.* files or directories under /etc/systemd/system/.

sshd package systemd misconfiguration?

2022-09-15 Thread Michael
/ssh@.service to /etc/systemd/system/ and changed 'RuntimeDirectory=sshd' to 'RuntimeDirectory=sshd.%i', and it works. is it safe to say, that this issue is a misconfiguration? should the package maintainer be notified? or did i miss something? greetings...

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Jude DaShiell
Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Wed, 14 Sep 2022, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Stefan wrote: > In article you > write: > >> the interest of the user. These "volunteers"

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 11:01 PM, Maude Summerside wrote: > > On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" > >> unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" >> unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers >> to spend their time on issues. > >

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/22 6:16 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Stefan wrote: > In article you > write: > >> the interest of the user. These "volunteers" obviously have other, > >> possibly malicious, interests if they prove themselves unwilling to > >> apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them. > > > >I think

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers to spend their time on issues. Especially when it's an ongoing pattern of discourse.

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 17:06, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 14.09.22 um 18:39 schrieb Maude Summerside: >> This is where intellectual shortcut starts... >> Free/OSS doesn't mean GPL. >> There's plenty of Free/OSS software that the copyright owner retains >> right to commercial licensing. Just look at

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Steve McIntyre
Stefan wrote: In article you write: >> the interest of the user. These "volunteers" obviously have other, >> possibly malicious, interests if they prove themselves unwilling to >> apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them. > >I think there's a confusion here: these volunteers will also have

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Thiemo Kellner
Am 14.09.22 um 18:39 schrieb Maude Summerside: This is where intellectual shortcut starts... Free/OSS doesn't mean GPL. There's plenty of Free/OSS software that the copyright owner retains right to commercial licensing. Just look at libraries, some of them will be in such a licensing term that

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 08:31, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >>> For example, most web >>> browsers are based on chromium, a free oss project that comes in large part >>> from >>> Google, but some of the most-used browsers in the world based on chromium >>> are proprietary, such as chrome and edge. >> I am

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
People of debian-user :) This thread does seem to be degenerating slightly into accusations and name-calling, justified or not. Without prejudice to anyone: please may I remind you that debian-user and all Debian lists and IRC channels are subject to the Debian Code of Conduct. It would be very

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 9:06 AM, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2022-09-14 at 08:51, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > > On 9/14/2022 1:03 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >> > >> [...] > >> > >>> Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 7:11 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 13.09.22 um 23:55 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: > > > > > I am fairly sure I was a victim of > > the breach of Yahoo that affected hundreds of millions of its users. > I am sorry for you. I do not know this case, so I cannot tell whether > OSS or CSS

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-14 at 08:51, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/14/2022 1:03 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it better. His name is >>> Linus Torvalds [...] >> >> I don't

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 1:03 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > [...] > > > Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it better. His name is > > Linus Torvalds [...] > > I don't know what your aim is. > > I have the impression that it's

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 7:08 AM, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > On 9/13/2022 3:59 PM, err...@free.fr wrote: > > > Please STOP! > > > > > > you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not > > > like this. you will better contribute with your code or with your > > > translations than by

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 7:11 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 13.09.22 um 23:55 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: > > On 9/13/2022 4:14 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > > I think Megha is emphasizing, and possibly over-emphasizing, the fact > > that the persons > > who actually commit the code in free software projects

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 6:47 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > If free/oss projects like Debian want to provide software with those > > positive characteristics to their users, those projects must have in > > place some level of oversight over what the persons who actually write > > the software actually do, or

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 4:38 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > The users. They stop using software or any product that does not work > > well or is more trouble than it is worth. Then the entity, whether > > a free/oss or proprietary provider ends up shutting down > > the enterprise. > > But, being Free

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread debian-user
> On 9/13/2022 3:59 PM, err...@free.fr wrote: > > Please STOP! > > > > you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not > > like this. you will better contribute with your code or with your > > translations than by writing to this mailing-list I agree with the sentiments of

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: [...] > Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it better. His name is > Linus Torvalds [...] I don't know what your aim is. I have the impression that it's just arguing for arguing's sake [1]. My time is too short to

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Thiemo Kellner
Am 13.09.22 um 23:55 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: On 9/13/2022 4:14 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: I think Megha is emphasizing, and possibly over-emphasizing, the fact that the persons who actually commit the code in free software projects can operate with little or no oversight when they are just

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Larry Martell
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 3:48 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > If free/oss projects like Debian want to provide software with those > > positive characteristics to their users, those projects must have in > > place some level of oversight over what the persons who actually write > > the software

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 4:31 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > the interest of the user. These "volunteers" obviously have other, > > possibly malicious, interests if they prove themselves unwilling to > > apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them. > > I think there's a confusion here: these volunteers will

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 4:14 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 12.09.22 um 19:47 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: > > "Open Source Software is accessible to all means it can be used and > > misused. > > And, that’s where it turns unconstructive for us. With OSS, we can expect > > harm, > > virus transfer, identity

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Thiemo Kellner
Am 12.09.22 um 19:47 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: "Open Source Software is accessible to all means it can be used and misused. And, that’s where it turns unconstructive for us. With OSS, we can expect harm, virus transfer, identity burglary, and many other malicious practices to hurt the

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 3:59 PM, err...@free.fr wrote: > Please STOP! > > you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not like this. > you will better contribute with your code or with your translations than by > writing to this mailing-list The problem is, with all due respect, that I do

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread err404
Please STOP! you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not like this. you will better contribute with your code or with your translations than by writing to this mailing-list I want you kicked from this list.

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 2:33 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 02:14:38PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >So do you, obviously. Someone said something that raised that question in my > >mind, > >but you deleted that part from this message, which proves you are the one > >who has > >an ax

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 02:14:38PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: So do you, obviously. Someone said something that raised that question in my mind, but you deleted that part from this message, which proves you are the one who has an ax to grind by not answering the question that has been

Re: usr-is-merged package in bullseye?

2022-09-13 Thread Tim Woodall
bly forget, I've still got a couple of machines on buster to deal with first. There seems to be some confusion here. To actually convert your system to a merged /usr you need to install the usrmerge package which does the work, and is already available in bullseye and buster. The Almost all

Re: usr-is-merged package in bullseye?

2022-09-13 Thread David Wright
On Tue 13 Sep 2022 at 18:59:42 (+0100), Tim Woodall wrote: > On Tue, 13 Sep 2022, David Wright wrote: > > > I assume I'm merged already: > > > > $ ls -l /bin /lib /sbin > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Apr 16 20:25 /bin -> usr/bin > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Apr 16 20:25 /lib -> usr/lib > >

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 2:02 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:42:12PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >Software projects today, IIUC, are communities. The "volunteers" should do > >what the community > >wants, not necessarily what you or I want. Do you think the free/oss > >software

Re: usr-is-merged package in bullseye?

2022-09-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:50:22PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 13 Sep 2022 at 13:09:52 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Now I'm no longer just curious -- I'm *concerned*. Why does it want to > > remove my libpng12-0 package? What's the best way to keep/reinstall xv &

Re: usr-is-merged package in bullseye?

2022-09-13 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2022-09-13 18:55 +0100, Tim Woodall wrote: > On Tue, 13 Sep 2022, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 04:45:40PM +0100, Tim Woodall wrote: >>> There's a package usr-is-merged that will stop usrmerge being installed >>> with init-system-helpers

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:42:12PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: Software projects today, IIUC, are communities. The "volunteers" should do what the community wants, not necessarily what you or I want. Do you think the free/oss software community wants volunteers who ignore bugs or refuse to

Re: usr-is-merged package in bullseye?

2022-09-13 Thread Tim Woodall
On Tue, 13 Sep 2022, David Wright wrote: I assume I'm merged already: $ ls -l /bin /lib /sbin lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Apr 16 20:25 /bin -> usr/bin lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Apr 16 20:25 /lib -> usr/lib lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Apr 16 20:25 /sbin -> usr/sbin $ Yes. usr-is-merged won't install

Re: usr-is-merged package in bullseye?

2022-09-13 Thread Tim Woodall
On Tue, 13 Sep 2022, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 04:45:40PM +0100, Tim Woodall wrote: There's a package usr-is-merged that will stop usrmerge being installed with init-system-helpers (and so avoids bringing in its dependencies) but I don't see that available in bullseye. Most

Re: usr-is-merged package in bullseye?

2022-09-13 Thread David Wright
On Tue 13 Sep 2022 at 13:09:52 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 04:45:40PM +0100, Tim Woodall wrote: > > There's a package usr-is-merged that will stop usrmerge being installed > > with init-system-helpers (and so avoids bringing in its dependencies) >

Re: usr-is-merged package in bullseye?

2022-09-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 07:40:08PM +0200, Javier Barroso wrote: > Did you test aptitude why-not libpng12-0? > > I'm not sure If It help in this case unicorn:~$ aptitude why-not libpng12-0 Automatically installed, current version 1.2.50-2+deb8u3, priority optional No dependencies require to

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Tim Woodall
On Tue, 13 Sep 2022, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: I agree with that. But the price-performance ratio could be even better if the "volunteers" in free/oss software projects were not free to ignore bugs reported to them. Pretty much everything worked for this grub bug other than some unfortunate

Re: usr-is-merged package in bullseye?

2022-09-13 Thread Javier Barroso
Hello, El mar., 13 sept. 2022 19:10, Greg Wooledge escribió: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 04:45:40PM +0100, Tim Woodall wrote: > > There's a package usr-is-merged that will stop usrmerge being installed > > with init-system-helpers (and so avoids bringing in its dependencies) >

Re: usr-is-merged package in bullseye?

2022-09-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 04:45:40PM +0100, Tim Woodall wrote: > There's a package usr-is-merged that will stop usrmerge being installed > with init-system-helpers (and so avoids bringing in its dependencies) > but I don't see that available in bullseye. > > Most of my systems are

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 12:36 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:25:40PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > [...] > > > I agree with that. But the price-performance ratio could be even better if > > the "volunteers" > > in free/oss software projects were not free to ignore bugs

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:25:40PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: [...] > I agree with that. But the price-performance ratio could be even better if > the "volunteers" > in free/oss software projects were not free to ignore bugs reported to them. Hm. I doubt that. Perhaps they will do more

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 11:53 AM, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:27:43AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > >> > >> > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 11:44 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:27:43AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > > > > > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:27:43AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with enforceable > SLAs for free" If the requirement that

usr-is-merged package in bullseye?

2022-09-13 Thread Tim Woodall
I see that the transition to merged /usr for all systems is about to start for sid imminently (unless explicitly disabled) and will then move to testing. There's a package usr-is-merged that will stop usrmerge being installed with init-system-helpers (and so avoids bringing in its dependencies

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:27:43AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > > > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with enforceable > > > SLAs for free" > > If the

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with enforceable > > SLAs for free" If the requirement that maintainers and developers of free/oss software must actually fix

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread tomas
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with enforceable > SLAs for free" Had I a printer, I'd print out this, frame it and hang it on the wall. This makes the point very nicely :-) Cheers -- t signature.asc

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/12/22 3:32 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 01:47:49PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >Well, I suppose so, but I am pleased that a grub maintainer is now on the > >case. Still, > >there is another Debian bug that affects me that continues to be ignored, so > >I admit >

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 01:47:49PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: Well, I suppose so, but I am pleased that a grub maintainer is now on the case. Still, there is another Debian bug that affects me that continues to be ignored, so I admit I have an attitude about that. I accept that what is of

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-12 at 14:50, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/12/2022 1:58 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2022-09-12 at 13:47, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >>> I wish to merely point out that what is often said about the >>> advantages and disadvantages of free, open-source software that >>> is maintained

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/12/2022 1:58 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2022-09-12 at 13:47, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > > On 9/12/2022 12:14 PM, David Wright wrote: > > > >> On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 11:13:52 (-0400), Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > >>> The grub maintainers do not have the time or interest to fix it. > >>>

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread tomas
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 01:47:49PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: [...] > [...] A disadvantage is that often the priorities of the developers who > release > free, open source software are not always the same as the priorities of any > particular > user [...] This might have been different

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-12 at 13:47, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/12/2022 12:14 PM, David Wright wrote: > >> On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 11:13:52 (-0400), Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >>> The grub maintainers do not have the time or interest to fix it. >>> Perhaps the Xen users could try to convince the Xen

Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/12/2022 12:14 PM, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 11:13:52 (-0400), Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > On 9/12/2022 12:55 AM, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > I would imagine a fix could follow quite quickly as it only requires > > > rebuilding with a filename added to a list of files not

Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-12 Thread David Wright
On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 11:13:52 (-0400), Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/12/2022 12:55 AM, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 01:15:47 (+0200), Tom Lew wrote: > > > This is my first post, bear with me.. > > > > > > Package "grub-xen-host"

Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/12/2022 12:55 AM, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 01:15:47 (+0200), Tom Lew wrote: > > This is my first post, bear with me.. > > > > Package "grub-xen-host" shipped with point release 11.5 broke all PV > > domains on my Xen server, after &quo

Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-11 Thread David Wright
On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 01:15:47 (+0200), Tom Lew wrote: > This is my first post, bear with me.. > > Package "grub-xen-host" shipped with point release 11.5 broke all PV > domains on my Xen server, after "apt upgrade" from 11.4. > > I found https://bugs.debian

Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-11 Thread Tim Woodall
On Mon, 12 Sep 2022, Tom Lew wrote: This is my first post, bear with me.. Package "grub-xen-host" shipped with point release 11.5 broke all PV domains on my Xen server, after "apt upgrade" from 11.4. I found https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1017944 e

Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-11 Thread Tom Lew
This is my first post, bear with me.. Package "grub-xen-host" shipped with point release 11.5 broke all PV domains on my Xen server, after "apt upgrade" from 11.4. I found https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1017944 exactly mirroring my situation, and I won

Re: Package

2022-08-15 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
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Package

2022-08-15 Thread William Torrez Corea
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Re: which package provides kde-config?

2022-08-03 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2022-08-03 20:02:39 +0200, hého wrote: > on an old debian stretch > with only kde plasma-desktop installed > no kde-config to be found but a kde4-config > > I get this > $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/kde4-config > kdelibs-bin: /usr/bin/kde4-config Thanks. The xdg-utils package use

Re: which package provides kde-config?

2022-08-03 Thread Guillermo Galeano Fernández , Lic .
El mié, 3 ago 2022 a las 14:03, hého () escribió: > > Vincent Lefevre a écrit le 03/08/2022 à 10:22 : > > I'm wondering which package provides kde-config[*]. > > "apt-file search kde-config" doesn't give any answer. > > > > Note: I currently don't have KDE

Re: which package provides kde-config?

2022-08-03 Thread Anssi Saari
Vincent Lefevre writes: > I'm wondering which package provides kde-config[*]. > "apt-file search kde-config" doesn't give any answer. > > Note: I currently don't have KDE installed. That's why I'm asking. > I just want to do some check of the kde-config behavior

which package provides kde-config?

2022-08-03 Thread Vincent Lefevre
I'm wondering which package provides kde-config[*]. "apt-file search kde-config" doesn't give any answer. Note: I currently don't have KDE installed. That's why I'm asking. I just want to do some check of the kde-config behavior (and possibly, its code). [*] https://techbase.kde.org/D

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