I like the idea of topic specific lists, rather than lists like
help, discussion, etc. Scope of topic names should be made easy
to understand for all including newbies. There have been several
suggestions here, all seem to have some merit.
I do not like the idea of putting newbies and gurus in
On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, W Paul Mills said:
Paul I do not like the idea of replying to poster, who will then
Paul give a summary. Personally I would rather see all responses to
Paul a thread. There is often more than one way to solve a
Paul problem. What is best for one case may not be best
On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, George Bonser wrote:
On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Christian Lynbech wrote:
I like the topics idea very much, if we can get people to use it (at
least some of the time :-). It would make it very much easier to
filter the group, whether it is visually or automatically. And it is
On 13:16:26 Randy Edwards wrote:
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
debian-user list into several lists:
I know what you mean. Just this week I turned off a couple of other
general Linux lists I was subscribed to
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
debian-user list into several lists:
I know what you mean. Just this week I turned off a couple of other
general Linux lists I was subscribed to simply because I was dealing with
too
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
debian-user list into several lists:
debian-user: user discussion
debian-install: installation problems
debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other lists, so here's
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On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Brandon Mitchell wrote:
I am afraid that I am no longer capable of reading every article in
the debian lists. I guess it's the price of success.
But then I don't neccessarily think you should. I think (personally) you
should help out
debian-help is a good name. Some people are offended by newbie or novice
labels because those words are often used in conjunction with expletives
by rude netizens.
Mailing lists are a fine way to go. News postings take too long to
propagate and many ISP news servers just don't work right. Some
Mark == Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mark __What do we want to achieve?__
As I read Bruce's mail, this is also an issue of organisation. The
volume here is getting too much for one list-administrator to read
through all mails. Dividing it into two or three clearly orthogonal
lists
Bruce Perens wrote:
It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
debian-user list into several lists
Comments?
As others have pointed out, splitting the list could very well create more
problems than it solves. We should not go down this road without some
careful
On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Christian Lynbech wrote:
I like the topics idea very much, if we can get people to use it (at
least some of the time :-). It would make it very much easier to
filter the group, whether it is visually or automatically. And it is a
good idea, regardless of whether the list
George == George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
George On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Christian Lynbech wrote:
However, I would to extend the proposal by adding the topics
[package]
George I think that this is too complicated for people, particularly
George newbies, to have to remember.
This is
Mark Phillips wrote:
3. In addition to calling for package maintainers, we can also call for
volunteers to form Topic Teams. Each team would comprise people with
some expertise in the topic. Hopefully people would volunteer for more
than one team. The idea would be that you would make an
Christian Lynbech writes:
This is only as an option in addition to a set of supertopics, such as
HELP, MAIL, X11 and MODEM.
They still have to understand that they must put a supertopic in the
Subject: line, figure out which one, and get it right. This is too
complicated. Most newbies will
Yes, please create debian-help and keep it simple to use. Many of these
new users will be using whatever means they have for email access while
they try to get Debian running. I have received email that was sent from
library workstations and the like for this reason.
On 5 Aug 1997 [EMAIL
Hi,
Yes, splitting the lists will not really reduce the volume,
but it would allow people to prioritize their time by deciciding for
(in)frequenty they read a particular list.
With modern mail filters, crosspostings are not an issue.
manoj
who uses mailagent
--
Manoj
brandon == Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If people who read debian-{novice,help,install,newbie} set
up a procmail filter that removes cross postings, and this
is made known, [...]
^^
This sounds like a good idea here. What if a Debian package were
On Fri, 1 Aug 97 15:08 PDT, Bruce Perens said:
Bruce [...] I've been thinking of splitting the debian-user list
Bruce into several lists: [...]
I've been on the sun-managers list for a couple of years. They use
the reply to the author, author sends summary scheme of things, and
the volume
Bruce,
You may want to consider just arbitrarily splitting the list into (say)
three. The current range of topics would remain the same but the volume
may go down 1/2 or more (approaching 2/3 asymptotically :-)).
Some list honcho(s) could summarize periodically and post to a debian
news
On Aug 04, Anand Kumria wrote:
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On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
On Aug 02, Anand Kumria wrote:
I like the idea of a debian-news mailing list, and would think it would be
a good idea to gate whatever it sent to it to the debian-user
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Christian Lynbech wrote:
I like the idea of splitting up the lists, but I would like to support
the suggestions of the following names:
debian-discusion: general discussions
debian-help: seek and you shall find
I like this idea. But just so folks know,
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:33:57 +0200 (METDST), Christian Lynbech wrote:
Bruce,
I don't think it's going to make much difference. I'll wind-up subscribing
to all the lists, and between the cc: ing between them I'll receive lots
more dups...it will just be more of a bother to maintain...maybe so
George == George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
George I like this idea. But just so folks know, it probably won't
George reduce traffic volume much since most of us are going to want
George to subscribe to both lists anyhow (just so we dont miss
George something important).
True, but it
I like the idea of splitting up the lists, but I would like to support
the suggestions of the following names:
debian-discusion: general discussions
debian-help: seek and you shall find
With a `novice' and a `user' group, I believe we will see
crosspostings, since novices, being
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On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
On Aug 02, Anand Kumria wrote:
I like the idea of a debian-news mailing list, and would think it would be
a good idea to gate whatever it sent to it to the debian-user mailing
list. Perhaps the debian-news
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On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Randy Edwards wrote:
A third idea, make a debian-news. A few debian people put together some
pages each week summarizing the latest with debian.
Couldn't debian-announce be used for this?
Weekly, or daily traffic on
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
debian-user list into several lists:
debian-user: user discussion
debian-install: installation problems
debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other lists, so
On 01:41:40 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paul,
I agree that we've had this argument before. What has changed between then
and now is that the number of postings has become 2 to 4 times what it was
before. I'm hoping that I can bring some clarity to various lists by
splitting them up.
Thanks
Paul,
I agree that we've had this argument before. What has changed between then
and now is that the number of postings has become 2 to 4 times what it was
before. I'm hoping that I can bring some clarity to various lists by
splitting them up.
Thanks
Bruce
--
Can you get your
A third idea, make a debian-news. A few debian people put together some
pages each week summarizing the latest with debian.
Couldn't debian-announce be used for this?
Regards, | Debian GNU/ __ o
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On Sat, Aug 2, 1997, 6:40:50 AM GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
splitting up the debian-user mailing list
Just to add my two cents. I was a subscriber to the mac-wizards mailing list.
The format there is that questions are answered via direct email to the person
asking for help
I think debian-help is a good idea, but I don't think debian-install is. I
think that most install questions come from new users, who won't know which
list to post to. Debian-help should be a mailing list, and new users
should be offered an opportunity to subscribe at install time. Newsgroups
I
forsee that a novice today, who possibly was helped very much by
answers to his questions on debian-{novice,install}, would stay
subscribed longer to debian-{novice,install}, to be able to
pay back the support he got. At least that's how I see it.
This is exactly what I've tried to do. And
It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
debian-user list into several lists:
I am afraid that I am no longer capable of reading every article in
the debian lists. I guess it's the price of success.
I've resisted this for a while, but the time may have arrived for
On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
debian-user list into several lists:
splitting one group into 3 groups will double the total traffic,
so every group has 2/3 traffic
On Aug 02, Anand Kumria wrote:
A third idea, make a debian-news. A few debian people put together some
pages each week summarizing the latest with debian. It could be an
outgoing list only, warning people of potential problems, new releases,
security holes, packages that need
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
debian-user list into several lists:
debian-user: user discussion
debian-install: installation problems
debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other lists, so
It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
debian-user list into several lists:
debian-user: user discussion
debian-install: installation problems
debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other lists, so here's
one of their own.
I am
It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
debian-user list into several lists:
debian-user: user discussion
debian-install: installation problems
debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other lists, so here's
one of their own.
And who's
In your email to me, Alex Yukhimets, you wrote:
It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
debian-user list into several lists:
debian-user: user discussion
debian-install: installation problems
debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other
From: Alex Yukhimets [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And who's gonna answer their questions? I don't think many maintainers
will sign for this list.
I am afraid that we have to get organized about this - have maintainers
or power users on duty or something so that we are sure every message
gets handled.
I
In your email to me, Alex Yukhimets, you wrote:
It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
debian-user list into several lists:
debian-user: user discussion
debian-install: installation problems
debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
I am afraid that we have to get organized about this - have maintainers
or power users on duty or something so that we are sure every message
gets handled.
I could see one additional list at first, something like debian-help for
people that have
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote:
It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
debian-user list into several lists:
debian-user: user discussion
debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other lists, so here's
one of their own.
And who's
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, George Bonser wrote:
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
or power users on duty or something so that we are sure every message
To be honest, I would think that something like debian-help and
debian-install might make better newsgroups under linux.* than mailing
It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
debian-user list into several lists:
debian-user: user discussion
debian-install: installation problems
debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other lists, so here's
one of their own.
And
Alex Yukhimets wrote:
It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
debian-user list into several lists:
debian-user: user discussion
debian-install: installation problems
debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other lists, so here's
one of
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