Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms - error in IE with XHTML

2005-11-29 Thread Christoph Hermann
Andreas Hochsteger schrieb: Hello, Using plain IE (6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_gdr.05031-1519) I got a security warning, that active contents have been deactivated. Same thing here with IE 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519, displays just fine. The security warning comes from the onload=...

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms - error in IE with XHTML

2005-11-29 Thread Jason Johnston
hepabolu wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: Can you build a standalone xhtml file that reproduces the problem? Here it is. It works fine in firefox (both windows and mac) and safari, but it produces the error I mentioned before in IE6. Are you by chance serving it up with an XML mime-type?

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms - error in IE with XHTML

2005-11-29 Thread hepabolu
Jason Johnston wrote: hepabolu wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: Can you build a standalone xhtml file that reproduces the problem? Here it is. It works fine in firefox (both windows and mac) and safari, but it produces the error I mentioned before in IE6. Are you by chance serving it up

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms - error in IE with XHTML

2005-11-28 Thread Sylvain Wallez
hepabolu wrote: On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Sylvain Wallez wrote: [X] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) [ ] foo.bar..input (double period) [ ] foo.bar.input. (trailing period) [ ] foo.bar._input (underscore, requires to forbid it as the beginning of widget names) Guys, I

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms - error in IE with XHTML

2005-11-28 Thread hepabolu
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Entity names, PI targets, notation names and attribute values declared to be of types ID, IDREF(S), ENTITY(IES) or NOTATION cannot contain any colons. Error processing resource 'http://localhost:/myform.form' What is displaying this message? Is it Cocoon, a parser,

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms - error in IE with XHTML

2005-11-28 Thread hepabolu
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Can you build a standalone xhtml file that reproduces the problem? Here it is. It works fine in firefox (both windows and mac) and safari, but it produces the error I mentioned before in IE6. Bye, Helma Title: OSN - Zoek modellen Veel succes!

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms - error in IE with XHTML

2005-11-28 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 28.11.2005 23:50, hepabolu wrote: Can you build a standalone xhtml file that reproduces the problem? Here it is. It works fine in firefox (both windows and mac) and safari, but it produces the error I mentioned before in IE6. Works for me: IE 6, Win 2k. Jörg

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms - error in IE with XHTML

2005-11-28 Thread hepabolu
Joerg Heinicke wrote: On 28.11.2005 23:50, hepabolu wrote: Can you build a standalone xhtml file that reproduces the problem? Here it is. It works fine in firefox (both windows and mac) and safari, but it produces the error I mentioned before in IE6. Works for me: IE 6, Win 2k. Jörg

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms - error in IE with XHTML

2005-11-28 Thread Peter Hunsberger
On 11/28/05, hepabolu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Heinicke wrote: On 28.11.2005 23:50, hepabolu wrote: Can you build a standalone xhtml file that reproduces the problem? Here it is. It works fine in firefox (both windows and mac) and safari, but it produces the error I mentioned

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms - error in IE with XHTML

2005-11-28 Thread Andreas Hochsteger
I got an error using WinXPPro with Firefox 1.5 (2005-11-07) in an IE-Tab (1.0.6.3) (https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=1419). Using plain IE (6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_gdr.05031-1519) I got a security warning, that active contents have been deactivated. Plain Firefox is ok.

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms - error in IE with XHTML

2005-11-27 Thread hepabolu
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Sylvain Wallez wrote: [X] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) [ ] foo.bar..input (double period) [ ] foo.bar.input. (trailing period) [ ] foo.bar._input (underscore, requires to forbid it as the beginning of widget names) Guys, I suppose this was the

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-09 Thread Giacomo Pati
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Sylvain Wallez wrote: [X] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) [ ] foo.bar..input (double period) [ ] foo.bar.input. (trailing period) [ ] foo.bar._input (underscore, requires to forbid it as the beginning of

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-08 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Sylvain Wallez wrote: So please choose one proposal below: [+1] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) [-1] foo.bar..input (double period) [-1] foo.bar.input. (trailing period) [-0] foo.bar._input (underscore, requires to forbid it as the beginning of widget names) Vadim

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 7 nov. 05, à 08:36, Sylvain Wallez a écrit : ...So I kindly ask people to carefully read and understand the rationale and motivation behind ':'. Ok, thanks for your (repeated I think ;-) explanation, then: [+1 ] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) -Bertrand

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-07 Thread Ugo Cei
Il giorno 07/nov/05, alle ore 08:36, Sylvain Wallez ha scritto: So I kindly ask people to carefully read and understand the rationale and motivation behind ':'. Alright, you convinced me. I hereby revert my previous vote and vote +1 on using the colon. Ugo -- Ugo Cei Tech Blog:

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-07 Thread Jorg Heymans
Sylvain Wallez wrote: The initial foo.bar:input proposal *structucally* prevents name all crispy clear now. I revert my previous +1 and +1 this proposal instead. Jorg

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-07 Thread Jeroen Reijn
Sylvain Wallez wrote: [X] foo.bar._input (underscore, requires to forbid it as the beginning of widget names) Jeroen

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-07 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 11:51 +0100, Sylvain Wallez wrote: So please choose one proposal below: [ ] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) +1 -- Bruno Dumon http://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-07 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Jorg Heymans wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: The initial foo.bar:input proposal *structurally* prevents name all crispy clear now. Phew! Sometimes, when there's a lot of background, producing a clear explanation is not an easy task ;-) Now I'm glad I finally was able to do it,

RE: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-07 Thread Max Pfingsthorn
Hi all, [X] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) +1 from me as well. It's the least evil one, it does interfere with the libraries meaning of :, however, since it is in effect hidden from the user, it's okay. Best regards, Max Pfingsthorn Hippo Oosteinde 11 1017WT

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-07 Thread Andrew Savory
Hi, [+1] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) (do people still use IE? ;-) Andrew. -- Andrew Savory, Managing Director, Luminas Limited Tel: +44 (0)870 741 6658 Fax: +44 (0)700 598 1135 Web: http://www.luminas.co.uk/ Orixo alliance: http://www.orixo.com/

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-07 Thread Ezkovich Glen
On Nov 7, 2005, at 3:26 AM, Sylvain Wallez wrote: Jorg Heymans wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: The initial foo.bar:input proposal *structurally* prevents name all crispy clear now. It was clear then. As always there are trade offs. In this case Its between possible naming conflicts and

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-07 Thread Leszek Gawron
Sylvain Wallez wrote: So please choose one proposal below: [X] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) [ ] foo.bar..input (double period) [ ] foo.bar.input. (trailing period) [ ] foo.bar._input (underscore, requires to forbid it as the beginning of widget names) -- Leszek

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-07 Thread Leszek Gawron
Andrew Savory wrote: Hi, [+1] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) (do people still use IE? ;-) only a 90% minority does :) -- Leszek Gawron [EMAIL PROTECTED] IT Manager MobileBox sp. z o.o. +48

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-07 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Ezkovich Glen wrote: snip/ Phew! Sometimes, when there's a lot of background, producing a clear explanation is not an easy task ;-) Now I'm glad I finally was able to do it, and will make sure this is written in the docs, to avoid the same effort later in the future :-) as opposed to sooner

[VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Hi all, In order to finally get 2.1.8 out, we have to define once the naming rule for HTML IDs generated by the CForms stylesheets. Let's give some background for those who haven't followed the discussion. CForms stylesheets produce container elements for fields, that include the input

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Sylvain Wallez wrote: So please choose one proposal below: [ ] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) [X] foo.bar..input (double period) [ ] foo.bar.input. (trailing period) [ ] foo.bar._input (underscore, requires to forbid it as the beginning of widget names) My preference

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Sylvain Wallez wrote: So please choose one proposal below: [ ] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) [ ] foo.bar..input (double period) [ ] foo.bar.input. (trailing period) [ ] foo.bar._input (underscore, requires to forbid it as the beginning of widget names) Sorry for

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: So please choose one proposal below: [ ] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) [ ] foo.bar..input (double period) [ ] foo.bar.input. (trailing period) [ ] foo.bar._input (underscore, requires to forbid it as the beginning of

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: So please choose one proposal below: [ ] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) [ ] foo.bar..input (double period) [ ] foo.bar.input. (trailing period) [ ] foo.bar._input (underscore, requires to forbid it

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Sylvain Wallez wrote: [X] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) [ ] foo.bar..input (double period) [ ] foo.bar.input. (trailing period) [ ] foo.bar._input (underscore, requires to forbid it as the beginning of widget names) Cast your votes! As I would never use CSS rules

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Mark Lundquist
On Nov 6, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Sylvain Wallez wrote: [ ] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) [ ] foo.bar..input (double period) [ ] foo.bar.input. (trailing period) [X] foo.bar._input (underscore, requires to forbid it as the beginning of widget names)

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Jean-Baptiste Quenot
* Sylvain Wallez: The main point being that this rule *must* ensure that generated IDs can never conflict with widget full names (e.g. foo.bar-input would potentially conflict with a bar-input widget sibling of bar). Then why don't you use a « reserved » keyword inbetween,

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Jorg Heymans
Sylvain Wallez wrote: [x] foo.bar._input (underscore, requires to forbid it as the beginning of widget names) Jorg

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: So please choose one proposal below: [ ] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) [ ] foo.bar..input (double period) [ ] foo.bar.input. (trailing period) [ ] foo.bar._input (underscore, requires to forbid it

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: So please choose one proposal below: [ ] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) [ ] foo.bar..input (double period) [ ] foo.bar.input. (trailing period) [ ]

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Ugo Cei
Il giorno 06/nov/05, alle ore 11:51, Sylvain Wallez ha scritto: [ ] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) [ ] foo.bar..input (double period) [ ] foo.bar.input. (trailing period) [ X] foo.bar._input (underscore, requires to forbid it as the beginning of widget names)

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Reinhard Poetz wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: [X] foo.bar:input (colon, not CSS-friendly because of IE) [ ] foo.bar..input (double period) [ ] foo.bar.input. (trailing period) [ ] foo.bar._input (underscore, requires to forbid it as the beginning of widget names) Cast your votes! As I

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Jean-Baptiste Quenot wrote: * Sylvain Wallez: The main point being that this rule *must* ensure that generated IDs can never conflict with widget full names (e.g. foo.bar-input would potentially conflict with a bar-input widget sibling of bar). Then why don't you use

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 06.11.2005 23:11, Sylvain Wallez wrote: As I would never use CSS rules based on IDs as they are a moving target IMHO I don't have a problem with it. And if I really had to, there is at least some workaround IIUC. The other options are really ugly. So +1 for the first. I change my vote:

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Ezkovich Glen
On Nov 6, 2005, at 4:13 PM, Sylvain Wallez wrote: Jean-Baptiste Quenot wrote: * Sylvain Wallez: The main point being that this rule *must* ensure that generated IDs can never conflict with widget full names (e.g. foo.bar-input would potentially conflict with a bar-input

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 7 nov. 05, à 02:05, Ezkovich Glen a écrit : ...An alternative naming would be along the lines of foo.bar.cf_input. While not following the more general convention it comes close. (I'm sure someone will confuse it for a column name ;-).) While there remains clutter it is significantly

Re: [VOTE] Naming rule for HTML IDs generated by CForms

2005-11-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 7 nov. 05, à 02:05, Ezkovich Glen a écrit : ...An alternative naming would be along the lines of foo.bar.cf_input. While not following the more general convention it comes close. (I'm sure someone will confuse it for a column name ;-).) While there remains