Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-04-05 Thread Henri Yandell
Very late, but I've been a tad busy in the new-parent department. Generally I agree with Phil's email. I don't really care though - I recognize that my main pain with Nexus is a) the experience to know not to trust magical systems b) not being full of energy to follow yet another build system

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-04-05 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: Very late, but I've been a tad busy in the new-parent department. You didn't publish a POM yet, did you? ;-) What I do care about is releasing often. Which is farcical given how few times I've released. I want to

Passwords in Maven settings file [Was: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1]

2011-04-05 Thread sebb
On 5 April 2011 09:32, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: [Side note; this is insane: http://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-encryption.html - I vomit every time it's implied I should put passwords in

Re: Passwords in Maven settings file [Was: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1]

2011-04-05 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 2:37 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 April 2011 09:32, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: [Side note; this is insane: http://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-encryption.html -

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-31 Thread sebb
On 31 March 2011 04:00, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/30/11 6:57 PM, sebb wrote: On 31 March 2011 01:38, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/30/11 4:22 PM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-31 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: And then you need to check the hashes and sigs again since you are now working with downloaded copies of the files that we voted on. Seems much easier and more correct to me to just scp the files to p.a.o., let people

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-31 Thread sebb
On 31 March 2011 12:05, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:36 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK, wget alone won't do, as the files also have to be deleted. Why? There's no problem with leaving them where they are. If they are left in Nexus

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-31 Thread sebb
On 31 March 2011 12:08, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: And then you need to check the hashes and sigs again since you are now working with downloaded copies of the files that we voted on. Seems much

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-31 Thread Ralph Goers
On Mar 31, 2011, at 8:49 AM, sebb wrote: On 31 March 2011 12:08, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: And then you need to check the hashes and sigs again since you are now working with downloaded copies

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-31 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:46 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: If they are left in Nexus staging, AFAIK they end up in Maven Central when promoted. And your point is? -- I Am What I Am And That's All What I Yam (Popeye) -

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread sebb
On 31 March 2011 00:22, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree with this.  The most important artifacts are the zips/tars that go to dist/.  These *are* the ASF release.  Nexus makes it *harder* IMO

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Phil Steitz
On 3/30/11 4:22 PM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree with this. The most important artifacts are the zips/tars that go to dist/. These *are* the ASF release. Nexus makes it *harder* IMO to maintain provenance of

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread sebb
On 31 March 2011 01:38, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/30/11 4:22 PM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree with this.  The most important artifacts are the zips/tars that go to dist/.  These *are* the ASF

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Ralph Goers
I'm seeing a lot of complaining on these threads but no actual proposal. If the proposal is to move away from Maven/Nexus for a release for all of commons I'll vote -1. OTOH, If some release managers want to do the release some other way I'm not going to force them to use Maven/Nexus. Ralph

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Phil Steitz
On 3/30/11 6:57 PM, sebb wrote: On 31 March 2011 01:38, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/30/11 4:22 PM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree with this. The most important artifacts are the zips/tars that go

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-30 Thread Phil Steitz
On 3/30/11 7:07 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: I'm seeing a lot of complaining on these threads but no actual proposal. I started the thread with a proposal, which was to standardize on the process documented on the web site. I know you don't like that process and I am not going to insist that we force

Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-29 Thread Phil Steitz
After another nightmare by an RM who has not cut a release in a while, I think we need to do something. The documentation on the Commons web pages describes a process that works. I suggest that we standardize on that process, adding some simple automation scripts that RMs can choose to use or

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-29 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote:  After another nightmare by an RM who has not cut a release in a while, I think we need to do something.  The documentation on the Commons web pages describes a process that works.  I suggest that we standardize on that

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-29 Thread sebb
On 29 March 2011 16:02, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote:  After another nightmare by an RM who has not cut a release in a while, I think we need to do something.  The documentation on the Commons web

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-29 Thread Matt Benson
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:08 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2011 16:02, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote:  After another nightmare by an RM who has not cut a release in a while, I think we

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-29 Thread Ralph Goers
On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:08 AM, sebb wrote: Yes, that is true. Also, had the [net] release been using Nexus, it would have required 2 additional manual stages to close and then release the Maven artifacts. It is impossible to accidentally release Maven artifacts using Maven command-line

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-29 Thread sebb
On 29 March 2011 16:20, Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:08 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2011 16:02, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote:  After another

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-29 Thread Phil Steitz
On 3/29/11 8:33 AM, sebb wrote: On 29 March 2011 16:20, Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:08 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2011 16:02, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Phil Steitz

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-29 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:18 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2011 16:52, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/29/11 8:33 AM, sebb wrote: On 29 March 2011 16:20, Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:08 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-29 Thread sebb
On 29 March 2011 18:33, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:18 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2011 16:52, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/29/11 8:33 AM, sebb wrote: On 29 March 2011 16:20, Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-29 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:08 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2011 18:33, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:18 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2011 16:52, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/29/11 8:33 AM, sebb wrote:

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-29 Thread sebb
On 29 March 2011 20:56, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:08 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2011 18:33, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:18 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2011 16:52,

Re: Release process WAS [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Codec 1.5-RC1

2011-03-29 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:23 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2011 20:56, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:08 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2011 18:33, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at