Re: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread Ted Dunning
Ideally and aspirationally, that is true. Practically speaking, definitely not true. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > Once again, the ASF makes no distinction between code and other > contributions. > > Sent from Windows Mail >

Re: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Given what Joe said is exactly what I said I really object to this confrontational approach. To your specific question, if someone is speaking *for* a project then they can only do so with the permission of the project (being a PMC member or committer does not automatically bestow that authorit

Re: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Once again, the ASF makes no distinction between code and other contributions. Sent from Windows Mail From: Roman Shaposhnik Sent: ?Sunday?, ?March? ?8?, ?2015 ?5?:?21? ?PM To: ComDev On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 3:08 PM, David Nalley wrot

Re: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread Ted Dunning
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > The example of I gave with Brett -- clearly the ASF community was the > one bestowing that title. Now, quite contrary to the semantics game that > Ross > was playing with 'what is an official title anyway?' -- I'd say that > at that point

Re: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Last reply on this thread for today ;-) On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > On Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 05:09 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > As a title provided by a company, I would be against any title that > incorporates the name of an Apache project. Red Hat, for instance, can

Re: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote: > Also note, a linked in profile or resume is about the individual. It's not an > official job title. > Then re-read my original reply. Now we're just debating semantics. Seriously -- what do you think 'official job tile' is the

Re: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 3:08 PM, David Nalley wrote: > On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) >> wrote: >>> Who said we allow it for engineers? My position is the same for any >>> community member no matter what they

Re: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015, at 05:09 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > a recent thread with one of the PMCs pointed out an issue > that I've long wanted to solicit feedback for: what is the ideal > job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities > grow? Just as a reference, I think my title when

Re: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
On Sun, Mar 08, 2015 at 06:08PM, David Nalley wrote: > On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) > > wrote: > >> Who said we allow it for engineers? My position is the same for any > >> community member no matter what

RE: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Also note, a linked in profile or resume is about the individual. It's not an official job title. Then re-read my original reply. Sent from my Windows Phone From: David Nalley Sent: ‎3/‎8/‎2015 3:10 PM To: dev@community.apache.org

RE: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Exactly Sent from my Windows Phone From: David Nalley Sent: ‎3/‎8/‎2015 3:10 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: Re: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow? On

Re: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread David Nalley
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) > wrote: >> Who said we allow it for engineers? My position is the same for any >> community member no matter what they do. > > It is all over LI and resumes. Here's a good examp

Re: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote: > Who said we allow it for engineers? My position is the same for any community > member no matter what they do. It is all over LI and resumes. Here's a good example: https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=759319 "Developer

RE: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Who said we allow it for engineers? My position is the same for any community member no matter what they do. Ross Sent from my Windows Phone From: Roman Shaposhnik Sent: ‎3/‎8/‎2015 2:39 PM To: ComDev

Re: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote: > I'm -1 on using "Apache Foo" in a job title. It great confusion between the > paid role and the community role. > The community role is not attached to a paid role. It is connected to the > individual. Like I said -- I conside

RE: What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
I'm -1 on using "Apache Foo" in a job title. It great confusion between the paid role and the community role. The community role is not attached to a paid role. It is connected to the individual. I see no reason why individuals can't also use ASF titles where appropriate. I see no problem with

What's the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow?

2015-03-08 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Hi! a recent thread with one of the PMCs pointed out an issue that I've long wanted to solicit feedback for: what is the ideal job title for somebody who is payed to help ASF communities grow? I have always thought that 'Technical/Community Evangelist, Apache FOO' would be appropriate, just like

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

2015-03-08 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 2015-03-08 19:33, Hitesh Shah wrote: Thanks for the info, Daniel. Updated. In terms of keeping project info updated, is this info along with all the release info, etc. being pulled from the project DOAP files? If not, do we still need to maintain them? No, if/when projects.apache.org gets

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

2015-03-08 Thread Hitesh Shah
Thanks for the info, Daniel. Updated. In terms of keeping project info updated, is this info along with all the release info, etc. being pulled from the project DOAP files? If not, do we still need to maintain them? Do I need to do anything additional for it to show up in the listing on https:

Project base data change for project 'tez'

2015-03-08 Thread no-reply
Hello, The following new base data was set for tez by hitesh: { "category": "http://projects.apache.org/category/big-data";, "GitRepository": "https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/tez.git";, "bug-database": "https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TEZ";, "description"

Project base data change for project 'tez'

2015-03-08 Thread no-reply
Hello, The following new base data was set for tez by hitesh: { "category": "http://projects.apache.org/category/big-data";, "GitRepository": "https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/tez.git";, "bug-database": "https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TEZ";, "description"

Project base data change for project 'tez'

2015-03-08 Thread no-reply
Hello, The following new base data was set for tez by hitesh: { "category": "http://projects.apache.org/category/big-data";, "GitRepository": "https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/tez.git";, "bug-database": "https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TEZ";, "description"

Re: first little patch for projects-new.apache.org

2015-03-08 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
IMHO, icons for incubating and Attic projects should be different than standard sub-project (no idea about rendering of such icons) Regards, Hervé Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:56:52 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > next: avoid copy paste for TLP vs sub-project icon and put the icon on the > left to have

Re: first little patch for projects-new.apache.org

2015-03-08 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
next: avoid copy paste for TLP vs sub-project icon and put the icon on the left to have full alignment Regards, Hervé Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:43:49 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > and a third one: just white background instead of black > > Regards, > > Hervé > > Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:29:56

Re: first little patch for projects-new.apache.org

2015-03-08 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
and a third one: just white background instead of black Regards, Hervé Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:29:56 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > another one, with simple instructions to make local tests > > Regards, > > Hervé > > Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:23:36 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > As p

Re: first little patch for projects-new.apache.org

2015-03-08 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
another one, with simple instructions to make local tests Regards, Hervé Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:23:36 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > Hi, > > As promise, here is a first little patch: this is simply to add a link to > our license, per our policy :) > > Regards, > > Hervé Index: STRUCTURE.txt ==

first little patch for projects-new.apache.org

2015-03-08 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
Hi, As promise, here is a first little patch: this is simply to add a link to our license, per our policy :) Regards, HervéIndex: datatables.html === --- datatables.html (révision 1665047) +++ datatables.html (copie de travail) @@

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

2015-03-08 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 13:13:32 Daniel Gruno a écrit : > > CMS has staging, no? > > And perhaps the site is tiny because there is no easy editing: chicken and > > egg. IMHO, this new site has great graphics, but it really requires more > > than graphics. And the CMS could be part of the solution t

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

2015-03-08 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 2015-03-08 12:47, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote: Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 11:28:22 Daniel Gruno a écrit : - "Whereas the old pages were basic, the new ones have kind of an unusual dark theme to them and look unpolished (vs. just plain as the old one)" (copy/paste of another feedback that perfectly sum

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

2015-03-08 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 11:28:22 Daniel Gruno a écrit : > > - "Whereas the old pages were basic, the new ones have kind of an unusual > > dark theme to them and look unpolished (vs. just plain as the old one)" > > (copy/paste of another feedback that perfectly summarised a feeling I > > could not e

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

2015-03-08 Thread Santiago Gala
El vie., 6 de marzo de 2015 a las 23:40, Daniel Gruno () escribió: > > > On 2015-03-06 23:39, Christopher wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Shane Curcuru > (...) > >> Similarly, are we still using DOAP files? I could imagine that there > >> are others who were also referring to individu

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

2015-03-08 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 2015-03-08 11:12, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote: +0.5 I really like the graphics and general idea: that's for sure the way to go! but before switching, there are some issues to fix, IMHO: - "Whereas the old pages were basic, the new ones have kind of an unusual dark theme to them and look unpolishe

Project base data change for project 'servicemix'

2015-03-08 Thread no-reply
Hello, The following new base data was set for servicemix by ksobkowiak: { "category": "network-server, xml", "GitRepository": "https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/servicemix.git";, "bug-database": "https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SM";, "description": "Apache

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

2015-03-08 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
+0.5 I really like the graphics and general idea: that's for sure the way to go! but before switching, there are some issues to fix, IMHO: - "Whereas the old pages were basic, the new ones have kind of an unusual dark theme to them and look unpolished (vs. just plain as the old one)" (copy/past