Re: Licensing

2014-09-26 Thread Emmanuel Lécharny
Le 26/09/14 07:55, Sebastian Oerding a écrit : Hello, I wondered about the licence of the Apache DS. As far as I know, it is ASF 2.0. However the apacheds-all includes for example code from the Bouncycastle project for parsing ASN1. Hence the licence for the apacheds-all must contain the

Re: Licensing

2014-09-26 Thread Emmanuel Lécharny
Le 26/09/14 07:55, Sebastian Oerding a écrit : Hello, I wondered about the licence of the Apache DS. As far as I know, it is ASF 2.0. However the apacheds-all includes for example code from the Bouncycastle project for parsing ASN1. Hence the licence for the apacheds-all must contain the

Re: Licensing

2014-09-26 Thread Sebastian Oerding
You are completely right. I created a ticket: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DIRSERVER-2006 Regards Sebastian Am 26.09.2014 09:38, schrieb Emmanuel Lécharny: In any case, the BouncyCastle license is derived from MIT, it's not a pure MIT license. Including BC License is the way to go.

Licensing

2014-09-25 Thread Sebastian Oerding
Hello, I wondered about the licence of the Apache DS. As far as I know, it is ASF 2.0. However the apacheds-all includes for example code from the Bouncycastle project for parsing ASN1. Hence the licence for the apacheds-all must contain the original licence as far as required by the MIT

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-30 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Saturday 30 July 2005 02:13, Michael A. Olson wrote: We don't have the no additional restrictions language that appears in the GPL, and specifically without limitations on patents. So, from a straight legal perspective, putting Berkeley DB and some Apache Licensed software together in

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-29 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jul 25, 2005, at 7:56 PM, Michael A. Olson wrote: All, Let me begin by pointing out what may be obvious -- there's no issue of compatibility between the Apache License 2.0 and the Sleepycat Public License. The Sleepycat license was designed to be identical in effect with the GPL.

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-29 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Saturday 30 July 2005 01:14, Jim Jagielski wrote: GPL says that no other license can place restrictions or requirements on code that the GPL does not already place on it (think of the old AL and the advertising clause) And for ALv2 it is about the patent grants and license termination.

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-28 Thread Michael A. Olson
have not read their licensing terms, so I need to take your word for it. You are effectively saying that the Berkeley DB C edition is licensed differently, and not in to be identical in effect with the GPL terms. If it is LGPL terms, and the Java native interface is (c) ASF committers

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-27 Thread Niclas Hedhman
, perhaps. Nothing slipped through incubation Niclas. We switched from using Berkeley DB C edition to JDBM and have no dependencies what so ever on external software with conflicting licenses. I have not read their licensing terms, so I need to take your word for it. You are effectively saying

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-25 Thread David Boreham
Paul Franz wrote: As a way around the redistribution restriction, couldn't a person create their application to use the Berkley DB JE API, but not redistribute it. Instead have the person installing the application grab it and install it separately. Therefore the person distributing the

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-25 Thread David Boreham
monopolistic company. I agree. But I'm not familiar with the Apache licensing thinking, so my opinion doesn't count for much. I do think that the Apache DS needs to 'work' with no database per se (to handle cases like the LDAP Proxy and the NT4 Virtual Directory we built for Fedora DS

RE: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-25 Thread Michael A. Olson
that the thread archive is updated periodically, and that traffic from the weekend has not yet made it to the archive. Let me recap the discussion as I understand it so far. Alex Karasulu, one of the Apache DS developers, posted a question on licensing of Sleepycat's Berkeley DB software when it's

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-25 Thread Paul Franz
Can you point me to a location where I can found where Redistribution By Proxy is defined. Paul Franz David Boreham wrote: Paul Franz wrote: As a way around the redistribution restriction, couldn't a person create their application to use the Berkley DB JE API, but not redistribute it.

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-25 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 26 July 2005 07:56, Michael A. Olson wrote: Let me begin by pointing out what may be obvious -- there's no issue of compatibility between the Apache License 2.0 and the Sleepycat Public License. The Sleepycat license was designed to be identical in effect with the GPL. Ok.

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-25 Thread Alex Karasulu
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 26 July 2005 07:56, Michael A. Olson wrote: Let me begin by pointing out what may be obvious -- there's no issue of compatibility between the Apache License 2.0 and the Sleepycat Public License. The Sleepycat license was designed to be identical in

RE: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
The Sleepycat license is that if you don't have total source (essentially GPL) then you pay Sleepycat a fee Personally I'd recommend an approach where you have an option There is no such option. JE is a dead end. We do not pass along additional restrictions beyond the ALv2 (which means

RE: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Maybe the HSQLDB and its license would be better than sleepycat ones *IF* you want to use a SQL database, I'd suggest looking at Derby. But I was not of the impression that we did for these purposes. --- Noel

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-24 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On 7/24/2005 4:40 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: Hi ! On Sun, 2005-07-24 at 07:04 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote: The Sleepycat license is that if you don't have total source (essentially GPL) then you pay Sleepycat a fee Personally I'd recommend an

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-24 Thread Alex Karasulu
Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: Hi ! On Sun, 2005-07-24 at 07:04 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote: The Sleepycat license is that if you don't have total source (essentially GPL) then you pay Sleepycat a fee Personally I'd recommend an approach where you have an option There is no such

RE: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-24 Thread Rex Wang
Alex Karasulu said: Company A decides to integrate Apache Directory Server which now uses JE into their product which they sell. Does the license for JE require company A to have to license JE from SleepyCat? Apache Directory Server is considered to be the application that uses Berkeley DB

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-24 Thread Alex Karasulu
Rex Wang wrote: Alex Karasulu said: Company A decides to integrate Apache Directory Server which now uses JE into their product which they sell. Does the license for JE require company A to have to license JE from SleepyCat? Apache Directory Server is considered to be the

RE: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
. This is antithetical to our licensing policy. There are several other Apache Software Foundation projects that use the Berkeley DB family of products. We'll have to do an audit, then, to make sure that this changes. --- Noel cc: Cliff Schmidt, VP Legal

Re: [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-23 Thread Marc Boorshtein
all, I've been debating the use of JE rather than JDBM for use in the Apache Directory Server. I have been meaning to do this since this article but had questions regarding licensing: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1615549,00.asp I do have a couple concerns associated

Re: [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-23 Thread Alex Karasulu
PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I've been debating the use of JE rather than JDBM for use in the Apache Directory Server. I have been meaning to do this since this article but had questions regarding licensing: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1615549,00.asp I do have a couple concerns

Re: [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-23 Thread Marc Boorshtein
one thing occured to me. how do the for profit linux distros do it? just about every linux distro includes bdb. I wonder if there is a licensing loophole for that? marc On 7/23/05, Alex Karasulu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc Boorshtein wrote: While IANL, I have run into these types

Re: [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-23 Thread Alex Karasulu
Marc Boorshtein wrote: one thing occured to me. how do the for profit linux distros do it? just about every linux distro includes bdb. I wonder if there is a licensing loophole for that? Good point there has to be some sort of exception here. I was specifically thinking about subversion

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-23 Thread Florian Weimer
* Alex Karasulu: Company A decides to integrate Apache Directory Server which now uses JE into their product which they sell. Does the license for JE require company A to have to license JE from SleepyCat? If they don't provide source code to their product under some kind of free software

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-23 Thread Marc Boorshtein
ahh, thats probably the loophole that distros use, you can get the source to everything. Marc On 7/23/05, Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Alex Karasulu: Company A decides to integrate Apache Directory Server which now uses JE into their product which they sell. Does the

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-23 Thread Alex Karasulu
Florian Weimer wrote: * Alex Karasulu: Company A decides to integrate Apache Directory Server which now uses JE into their product which they sell. Does the license for JE require company A to have to license JE from SleepyCat? If they don't provide source code to their product

Re: [bdbje] [Licensing] Open Source verses Commercial Use

2005-07-23 Thread Alex Karasulu
Alex Karasulu wrote: Florian Weimer wrote: * Alex Karasulu: Company A decides to integrate Apache Directory Server which now uses JE into their product which they sell. Does the license for JE require company A to have to license JE from SleepyCat? If they don't provide source