On 17 Apr 2018, at 7:17 PM, Alain Toussaint wrote:
>> No
>> distribution (that I am aware of) ships something called Apache httpd
>> v2.4.29.
>
> At LFS (linux from scratch), we're the exception confirming the rule of
> shipping v2.4.29 with the
> single patch of defining a preferred layout (t
Thanks! Bill,
Building fine with r1829381 and initial tests looking ok.
On Tuesday 17/04/2018 at 19:57, William A Rowe Jr wrote:
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Steffen
wrote:
I like to continue building/testing trunk.
Is there a fix coming ?
I guess not from the author. Try r182938
Do you see a crash for the httpd process?
Are you adding balancers only, BalancerMember(s), VirtualHost(s), all
of these to reproduce?
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:37 PM, Exonetric wrote:
> FWIW, I am seeing this too, but examining the code I could not see how. It
> looks like it just does a shm des
Most likely it is due to some assumptions in slotmem based on the underlying
shm implementation, ie: SysV or Posix.
I would be remiss is pointing out that here is yet another case where
instead of a simple fix for a bug, we instead refactored a sh*t-ton of code
and in the process, broke stuff.
Ca
I didn't think of this before, but there is one edge case this would miss: if
someone (for whatever reason) wants a relative ErrorLog *file* named `syslog*',
for example `ErrorLog "syslog-httpd.log"' or `ErrorLog "syslog.log"'. It
appears that this is already broken in server/log.c, though. Also
There are, IMO at least, 3 types of "regression" that we should be
concerned about or that some people are concerned about:
1. New features:
Undoubtedly, new features will likely have bugs and
no by adding new features we could be adding bugs
which could be seen as a regression.
This isn't fair Jim, the previous code didn't work as expected either, IMHO.
Regarding PR 62277 for instance, it worked because it attach()ed SHMs
of unrelated balancers instead of creating new ones (this was the
paper over SysV vs Posix, not the actual code which I think shows the
real/potential
The current situation is, from what I can tell, worse and more pervasive than
the original bug.
> On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:01 AM, Yann Ylavic wrote:
>
> This isn't fair Jim, the previous code didn't work as expected either, IMHO.
>
> Regarding PR 62277 for instance, it worked because it attach()
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 7:17 AM, Jim Riggs wrote:
> I didn't think of this before, but there is one edge case this would miss: if
> someone (for whatever reason) wants a relative ErrorLog *file* named
> `syslog*', for example `ErrorLog "syslog-httpd.log"' or `ErrorLog
> "syslog.log"'. It appear
A shm destroy cannot remove an open shm (any more than rm
will remove an open file - at least on windows). In a graceful,
you have a lingering child holding on to that resource.
The short term fix would be to rename the offending shm resource
on each attempted graceful restart.
It may be possible
Am 18.04.2018 um 15:07 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
There are, IMO at least, 3 types of "regression" that we should be
concerned about or that some people are concerned about:
1. New features:
Undoubtedly, new features will likely have bugs and
no by adding new features we could be addi
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:01 AM, Stefan Eissing
wrote:
>
>> Am 17.04.2018 um 19:18 schrieb William A Rowe Jr :
>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Graham Leggett wrote:
On 17 Apr 2018, at 6:08 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote:
No enhancement since 2011-12-19 has been presented for
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:57 AM, Rainer Jung wrote:
>
> Since this thread was triggered by the mod_ssl config merging problems: I
> think that was a case where a new feature was really nice, but to implement
> it the needed changes where not not easy to understand in detail. Combined
> with the c
"Established in 1999, the all-volunteer Apache Software Foundation
oversees more than 350 leading Open Source projects, including Apache
HTTP Server --the world's most popular Web server software."
How long will that last claim remain true?
We can sum up the state of affairs from four well-respec
Am 18.04.2018 um 18:07 schrieb William A Rowe Jr:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:57 AM, Rainer Jung wrote:
Since this thread was triggered by the mod_ssl config merging problems: I
think that was a case where a new feature was really nice, but to implement
it the needed changes where not not easy
Fair enough. I'm fine standardizing either way. strn?cmp() is probably more
"correct". As it stands, though, the check in core is not actually checking
everything that log.c will handle.
> On 18 Apr 2018, at 10:15, William A Rowe Jr wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 7:17 AM, Jim Riggs wrote
IMO, this boils down to 2 things:
1. nginx, particularly, does a LOT of promoting, marketing, PR, etc...
We don't. They get to promote their FUD all the time and remain
pretty much unchallenged.
2. They don't seem to have issues in understanding that new features,
enhancements
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Jim Riggs wrote:
> Fair enough. I'm fine standardizing either way. strn?cmp() is probably more
> "correct". As it stands, though, the check in core is not actually checking
> everything that log.c will handle.
There are a number of places where we have "scheme:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
> 1. nginx, particularly, does a LOT of promoting, marketing, PR, etc...
> We don't. They get to promote their FUD all the time and remain
> pretty much unchallenged.
I'd like to break out and break down specific nginx FUD... bu
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> IMO, this boils down to 2 things:
>
> 1. nginx, particularly, does a LOT of promoting, marketing, PR, etc...
> We don't. They get to promote their FUD all the time and remain
> pretty much unchallenged.
Launched a thread on one
> On 18 Apr 2018, at 17:55, William A Rowe Jr wrote:
>
> So I'll start with this;
Erm, would you like to cite a source for that claim? I confess it’s not one
I’ve seen.
I don’t follow either nginx marketing nor any fan club they might have.
If what you refer to is the latter, it’s natural f
I'm speaking of personal i18n experience as a Windows developer, and
assigning support for Cyrillic-based languages in nginx that I've presumed
exist (I've never researched the software but am familiar with the origins.)
IIS/Windows long offered robust support to the multibyte character developmen
> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote:
>
>
> There we go again. Why do you and Graham have to make this about
> Bill vs. yourselves?
I didn't.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:07 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote:
>>
>> There we go again. Why do you and Graham have to make this about
>> Bill vs. yourselves?
>
> I didn't.
It's a challenge to read this otherwise;
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:46 AM
Thanks a lot Jim! I like your code change and the extra checks, but I'd
prefer to use strncmp if possible, also in log.c.
Feel free to amend the patch, or I'll do it tomorrow (I forgot the entry in
CHANGES too, your name should be on it :).
Luca
2018-04-18 18:36 GMT+02:00 Jim Riggs :
> Fair enou
Le mercredi 18 avril 2018 à 11:41 +0200, Graham Leggett a écrit :
> On 17 Apr 2018, at 7:17 PM, Alain Toussaint wrote:
>
> > > No
> > > distribution (that I am aware of) ships something called Apache httpd
> > > v2.4.29.
> >
> > At LFS (linux from scratch), we're the exception confirming the ru
Le 18/04/2018 à 20:00, William A Rowe Jr a écrit :
I'm speaking of personal i18n experience as a Windows developer, and
assigning support for Cyrillic-based languages in nginx that I've presumed
exist (I've never researched the software but am familiar with the origins.)
[...]
In short, we dema
My 2c!
2018-04-18 19:21 GMT+02:00 William A Rowe Jr :
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> > IMO, this boils down to 2 things:
> >
> > 1. nginx, particularly, does a LOT of promoting, marketing, PR, etc...
> > We don't. They get to promote their FUD all the time and
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Marion et Christophe JAILLET
wrote:
> Le 18/04/2018 à 20:00, William A Rowe Jr a écrit :
>>
>> Localizing our error messages alone would go a long ways to being
>> friendly to non-english speaking administrators. If we don't want to
>> bother, we can expect for our
> I suspect the straightforward way to do this, in 2.6/3.0, will be to add an
> i18n table of the error log strings extracted from and indexed by those
> APLOGNO() entries. No match? Default English message.
Please, not without an overhaul of APLOGNO to automate it a lot better!
The time to devis
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:31 PM, Nick Kew wrote:
>
>> I suspect the straightforward way to do this, in 2.6/3.0, will be to add an
>> i18n table of the error log strings extracted from and indexed by those
>> APLOGNO() entries. No match? Default English message.
>
> Please, not without an overhaul
> On 18 Apr 2018, at 17:29, William A Rowe Jr wrote:
>
>
> Many will always carry a deep fondness or appreciation for Apache
> httpd; how much traffic it actually carries in future years is another
> question entirely, and has everything to do with the questions we
> should have solved some ti
Le 18/04/2018 à 21:00, Luca Toscano a écrit :
Before joining the httpd project as contributor I struggled to find
good technical sources about how the httpd internals work, especially
when it comes to important bits like mpm-event and how its
architecture can be compared with other products.
> On Apr 18, 2018, at 2:32 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:07 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote:
>>>
>>> There we go again. Why do you and Graham have to make this about
>>> Bill vs. yourselves?
>>
>> I didn't.
>
On 4/18/2018 10:58 AM, William A Rowe Jr wrote:
>> The release cycle is hours, to the benefit of all interested. Be it a
>> blocking bug fixed or a nice feature implemented. These are mostly people
>> who do it for fun. Some even run large server clusters, so a „hobbyist“
>> label does not apply
Just. Stop.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:29 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
>
> > On Apr 18, 2018, at 2:32 PM, William A Rowe Jr
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:07 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There we go again. Why
On 4/18/2018 11:46 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> IMO, this boils down to 2 things:
>
> 1. nginx, particularly, does a LOT of promoting, marketing, PR, etc...
> We don't. They get to promote their FUD all the time and remain
> pretty much unchallenged.
Speaking from experience at $dayjob,
On 4/18/2018 1:34 PM, Alain Toussaint wrote:
>> As an aside - httpd has a —enable-layout option in configure that defines
>> where things should go.
>> If you patch the following file how you want it and submit it to us, we can
>> formally support LFS
>> out the box and you can remove the need f
Does the root of this issue go back to this backport?
Author: minfrin
Date: Tue Feb 13 22:11:47 2018
New Revision: 1824180
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1824180&view=rev
Log:
mod_proxy_balancer,mod_slotmem_shm: Rework SHM reuse/deletion to not
depend on the number of restarts (non-Unix sy
Le 18/04/2018 à 22:12, William A Rowe Jr a écrit :
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:31 PM, Nick Kew wrote:
I suspect the straightforward way to do this, in 2.6/3.0, will be to add an
i18n table of the error log strings extracted from and indexed by those
APLOGNO() entries. No match? Default English me
Daniel,
would you find it feasible to make a 2.4 release every first Tuesday of the
month? Other projects have excellent experiences with such release timings.
I‘d expect this would let us focus on the changes („one more week until
release“), take off pressure („we can do it in the next releas
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: William A Rowe Jr [mailto:wr...@rowe-clan.net]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. April 2018 18:49
> An: httpd
> Betreff: /scheme/i sensitivity? (was: svn commit: r1829430 -
> /httpd/httpd/patches/2.4.x/core-check_errorlog_dir_syslog.patch)
>
> On Wed, Apr 18,
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