Re: [DISCUSS] Replace log4j2 with logback

2021-12-21 Thread Philippe Mouawad
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 1:51 PM Vladimir Sitnikov < sitnikov.vladi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >So I am happy you agree to say that it involves PMC, whatever the time it > >takes. > > If PMC can't allocate a minimal time for the release, they SHOULD be > willing > to transfer rights to the people who h

Re: [DISCUSS] Replace log4j2 with logback

2021-12-21 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
>So I am happy you agree to say that it involves PMC, whatever the time it >takes. If PMC can't allocate a minimal time for the release, they SHOULD be willing to transfer rights to the people who have more time. >If I may correct your formulation My formulation is: If somebody chimes in and doe

Re: [DISCUSS] Replace log4j2 with logback

2021-12-21 Thread Philippe Mouawad
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 1:26 PM Vladimir Sitnikov < sitnikov.vladi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >To be a release manager , you need committer rights no ? > > No idea. It does not matter though. The contributor can do > the heavy-lifting of composing the changelog, etc, etc. > > Of course, there will be

Re: [DISCUSS] Replace log4j2 with logback

2021-12-21 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
>To be a release manager , you need committer rights no ? No idea. It does not matter though. The contributor can do the heavy-lifting of composing the changelog, etc, etc. Of course, there will be some work on PMC to formally vote, build from sources, etc. However, I believe it is not really tha

Re: [DISCUSS] Replace log4j2 with logback

2021-12-21 Thread Philippe Mouawad
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 1:17 PM Vladimir Sitnikov < sitnikov.vladi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Now regarding a fix to jmeter 1 or 2, well it’s your opinion as of now > > Philippe, > > Supposed someone chimes in and suggest releasing JMeter 3.x > with log4j fixed. Suppose they would be open to do 90% o

Re: [DISCUSS] Replace log4j2 with logback

2021-12-21 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
>Now regarding a fix to jmeter 1 or 2, well it’s your opinion as of now Philippe, Supposed someone chimes in and suggest releasing JMeter 3.x with log4j fixed. Suppose they would be open to do 90% of all the heavy-lifting. For instance, they might suggest a PR to make JMeter 3 buildable, they act

Re: [DISCUSS] Replace log4j2 with logback

2021-12-21 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
>so it’s really a straw man argument. Please. Log4j 1.x -> 2.x upgrade is no way seamless. I know lots of apps that do not need 2.x features, and that can't upgrade. That is they are stuck with 1.x. >There is nothing stopping people from forking log4j and using their own fork A fork under io.git

Re: [DISCUSS] Replace log4j2 with logback

2021-12-21 Thread Philippe Mouawad
Hello, When a free OSS library is publicly in EOL since many years, and you don’t pay extended support to anybody, you know the risks you’re taking. As a software developer I am very frequently frustrated by people refusing the upgrade of libraries because it costs money and « doesn’t bring anythi

Re: [DISCUSS] Replace log4j2 with logback

2021-12-21 Thread Mark Collin
Yes there are still people using COBOL, changing that is not a case of upgrading a library though, so it’s really a straw man argument. There is nothing stopping people from forking log4j and using their own fork, if that’s a better option for them than upgrading to a 2.x version of log4j, they

Re: [DISCUSS] Replace log4j2 with logback

2021-12-21 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
>People have had nearly a decade ... to remove COBOL from their apps. Seamless migration does not exist yet, and people have large apps that can't really be upgraded that easily. They would rather fork log4j and use their own fork. >This is more akin to asking the JMeter team to support JMeter 2

Re: [DISCUSS] Replace log4j2 with logback

2021-12-21 Thread Mark Collin
To be fair to the log4j team, version 1.12.x went into maintenance mode back in 2007 and they did a couple of minor updates in 2010 and 2012. People have had nearly a decade since the last maintenance release to remove this old dependency and plan/implement an upgrade to the 2.x.x releases. Thi

Re: [DISCUSS] Replace log4j2 with logback

2021-12-21 Thread OUFDOU Anas
Hello, I think it's better to keep log4j, as there will be no real add value,the only problem detected is related to security and can happen to any Framework. Best Regards On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:05 AM Philippe Mouawad < p.moua...@ubik-ingenierie.com> wrote: > Hello Vladimir, > > I feel tha

Re: [DISCUSS] Replace log4j2 with logback

2021-12-21 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
>would you be happy >to see our users abandon JMeter because a CVE is discovered >but it can happen to any >project (logback also had one although less impacting) Consider a case: 1. A critical vulnerability is discovered in JMeter 3.0 (e.g. remote code execution via HTTP client) 2. Multiple users

Re: [DISCUSS] Replace log4j2 with logback

2021-12-21 Thread Philippe Mouawad
Hello Vladimir, I feel that it's over engineering here. If we were starting a new project , I would be ok. But this change here and now, does not bring major features to users (I think logging works pretty nicely today), it will even bring more work for them in case they don't know logback. On a

[DISCUSS] Replace log4j2 with logback

2021-12-21 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
Hi, What do you think of replacing log4j2 with logback? Even though it might sound like an over-reaction, I believe it is the net positive thing. The reasons are: * log4j2 has lots of features, and we do not really need them * lots of log4j2 are in-core, so a breach in one of them impacts the wh