Re: Successor to mailing lists

2024-10-10 Thread Gary Gregory
I thought this was recently discussed on @members, but now I can't find the thread! I'm not even sure if it was on @members, which exemplifies the scaling problem discussed on the list, among other issues: When you look at PonyMail's UI, there are about 60 internal mailing lists under the ' apache.

Re: Feature proposal for a new Filter result: Throw

2024-10-09 Thread Gary Gregory
tead of the throw then I could understand what you are saying. > > Ralph > > > > On Oct 9, 2024, at 9:55 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: > > > > Hi Ralph, > > > > Thank you for taking a peek. > > > > I either did not explain myself clearly or in enough detail

Re: Feature proposal for a new Filter result: Throw

2024-10-09 Thread Gary Gregory
Hi Ralph, Thank you for taking a peek. I either did not explain myself clearly or in enough detail as I don't feel you fully grasped what I proposed ;-) "Secondly, I don’t like that the only criteria it is able to use to determine whether to throw an exception is the log level." It is _not_ onl

Re: Feature proposal for a new Filter result: Throw

2024-10-09 Thread Gary Gregory
Hi Volkan, Thank you for your review. Later, I would like to have our whole build check all tests for Hibernate warnings. Today, I'm taking a first step. The second step is to have another Maven module's tests perform this check. Recasting the solution as a JUnit 5 extension is a good idea, but

Re: [VOTE] Move Flume to dormant

2024-10-03 Thread Gary Gregory
FWIW, I don't think apache voting guidelines allow for "you can only vote a certain way only if ..." Gary On Wed, Oct 2, 2024, 3:30 PM Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Hello everyone, > > We have discussed this in the past. I hope we can pick up a decent dev > speed with Flume after we adopt it. I

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache Log4net 3.0.1

2024-09-27 Thread Gary Gregory
Jan, If the vote says 72 hours, you should wait 72 hours before counting votes and releasing ;-) Gary On Fri, Sep 27, 2024, 3:43 AM Fred am Nil wrote: > Hi, > > and here is my +1. > > With that the vote passed with 3 +1 votes from Davyd McColl, Christian > Grobmeier and myself. > I will contin

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j `2.24.1` (RC1)

2024-09-25 Thread Gary Gregory
I expected to see SBOMs in the binary zip, CycloneDX and/or SPDX. Are they missing? Did I not find them? Gary On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 3:13 PM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > > This is a vote to release the Apache Log4j `2.24.1`. > > Website: https://logging.staged.apache.org/log4j/2.24.1/index.html >

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j `2.24.1` (RC1)

2024-09-25 Thread Gary Gregory
+1 passes on macOS, fails on Windows as usual (see GH issues). I tested the src zip file. - ASC file OK - SHA-512 file OK - `mvn clean verify` OK Environment: openjdk version "17.0.12" 2024-07-16 OpenJDK Runtime Environment Homebrew (build 17.0.12+0) OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Homebrew (build 17.0

Re: Use RTC in Log4j and Log4Net

2024-09-18 Thread Gary Gregory
This proposal is two pages (on my phone)! I can't imagine counting lines and walking through these steps, it's crazy making IMO. How would you count lines anyway? From diff output? I'd rather skip the bikeshedding and let devs create PRs when they think it makes sense. IOW, when they want a review

Re: Use RTC in Log4j and Log4Net

2024-09-17 Thread Gary Gregory
I'm with Matt. It should be left at the discretion of the developer whether a PR or straight commit is justified. I see no reason to throw sand in the gears. Gary On Tue, Sep 17, 2024, 2:05 PM Matt Sicker wrote: > I’m -1 on switching to RTC. Same reason as always. Losing momentum from > waiting

Re: Use RTC in Log4j and Log4Net

2024-09-17 Thread Gary Gregory
Maybe we should talk about net vs. J separately? Gary On Tue, Sep 17, 2024, 10:53 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi Ralph, > > On Tue, 17 Sept 2024 at 15:47, Ralph Goers > wrote: > > > > Why? i.e. - what currently isn’t working? > > I merely wish to formalize what is already happening and set up

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4net 3.0.0

2024-09-16 Thread Gary Gregory
Ah, thank you. Gary On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 9:50 AM Jan Friedrich wrote: > Hi Gary, > > please see > https://lists.apache.org/thread/v8kyxz7zdvp3cypo1506yflk3bbvysym > > I did not change the subject to [RESULT]. > > Regards. > > Jan > > On 16 September 2024

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4net 3.0.0

2024-09-16 Thread Gary Gregory
I don't think I saw a [RESULT] message with a tally of the result. Gary On Sun, Sep 15, 2024 at 3:26 PM Davyd McColl wrote: > > Hi > > Apologies for the late response. FWIW, my +1 too. > > -d > > > On 15 September 2024 20:59:13 Jan Friedrich wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > and here is my +1. > > > > W

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j `2.24.0`

2024-09-03 Thread Gary Gregory
Volcan, Please stop complaining about the hours I've already sunk into validation on 3 different operating system on two different machines. You're not helping the cause. I can't help but notice the irony that one of the failures is in the "reproducible" part of the build. >From my point of view

Re: (logging-parent) branch main updated: Modify review kit

2024-09-03 Thread Gary Gregory
Why doesn't the maven build in the review kit (below) invoke clean goal? Gary On Tue, Sep 3, 2024, 11:37 AM wrote: > This is an automated email from the ASF dual-hosted git repository. > > pkarwasz pushed a commit to branch main > in repository https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/logging-parent

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j `2.24.0`

2024-09-03 Thread Gary Gregory
Thank you Piotr! Gary On Tue, Sep 3, 2024, 11:17 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi all, > > On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 at 21:30, Piotr P. Karwasz > wrote: > > > > This is a vote to release the Apache Log4j `2.24.0`. > > > > Website: https://logging.staged.apache.org/log4j/2.24.0/index.html > > GitHub:

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j `2.24.0`

2024-09-01 Thread Gary Gregory
xception [ERROR] [ERROR] After correcting the problems, you can resume the build with the command [ERROR] mvn -rf :log4j-api-test Gary On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 7:11 PM Gary Gregory wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 6:01 PM Piotr P. Karwasz > wrote: > > > > Hi Gary, > &g

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j `2.24.0`

2024-09-01 Thread Gary Gregory
On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 6:01 PM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > > Hi Gary, > > On Sun, 1 Sept 2024 at 23:34, Gary Gregory wrote: > > Now I get: > > > > [INFO] Results: > > [INFO] > > [ERROR] Failures: > > [ERROR] NetUtilsTest.testCanonicalHostName:7

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j `2.24.0`

2024-09-01 Thread Gary Gregory
On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 5:09 PM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > > Hi Gary, > > On Sun, 1 Sept 2024 at 23:00, Piotr P. Karwasz > wrote: > > On Sun, 1 Sept 2024 at 22:44, Gary Gregory wrote: > > > [ERROR] sha512 mismatch log4j-bom-2.24.0-cyclonedx.xml: investigate >

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j `2.24.0`

2024-09-01 Thread Gary Gregory
Hi All, Thank you Piotr for preparing the RC. Using the review kit, this is what I get on the step 'sh mvnw -Prelease verify artifact:compare -Dreference.repo=$NEXUS_REPO' [INFO] --- artifact:3.5.1:compare (default-cli) @ log4j-bom --- [WARNING] property is inherited, it should be defined in po

Re: [Discuss][VOTE] Release Apache Log4j `2.24.0`

2024-08-31 Thread Gary Gregory
I've not looked at details but Ralph's comment hints that we need to explain to users how to migrate if it's anything more than an import change. WDYT? Gary On Sat, Aug 31, 2024, 5:06 PM Ralph Goers wrote: > The API section has > > Thread Context is mostly superseded by Scoped Context, which, u

Re: Delaying publication of `log4j-flume-ng` in 3.x

2024-08-29 Thread Gary Gregory
Hi, I'd like to follow Ralph's lead on Flune related topics. Gary On Thu, Aug 29, 2024, 8:12 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi all, > > The `log4j-flume-ng` module _de facto_ contains 3 different appenders: > > * an Avro appender, that only depends on Avro and Avro IPC. Since it > only communica

Re: Open GitHub discussions for Log4j Scala and Kotlin

2024-08-14 Thread Gary Gregory
In fact, it's been broken for ages: when you click on a gitbox repo, it redirects to github! It should instead display its UI as it did in the past... Gary On Wed, Aug 14, 2024, 10:58 AM Gary Gregory wrote: > Gitbox is just a very thin UI on top of git, no PRs. > > Gary > &g

Re: Open GitHub discussions for Log4j Scala and Kotlin

2024-08-14 Thread Gary Gregory
t. > > > > There might also be parts of the world where GH is not available but > Apache > > servers are (more of a geopolitical issue). > > > > Gary > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2024, 3:43 AM Piotr P. Karwasz > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Gary,

Re: Open GitHub discussions for Log4j Scala and Kotlin

2024-08-14 Thread Gary Gregory
Gmail behaves differently based on the platform. Gary On Wed, Aug 14, 2024, 7:24 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi Gary, > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 at 12:34, Gary Gregory wrote: > > I think that to "deactivate" the mailing lists you refer to would be very > > bad and

Re: Open GitHub discussions for Log4j Scala and Kotlin

2024-08-14 Thread Gary Gregory
14, 2024, 3:43 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi Gary, > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 at 12:15, Gary Gregory wrote: > > While it is a different community, I have received negative feedback in > > Commons against the trend to spread information all over the place, and > we > > don&#x

Re: Release timeline for log4j 2.24.0?

2024-08-13 Thread Gary Gregory
Isn't that assertable from a unit test? Gary On Tue, Aug 13, 2024, 6:00 PM Ralph Goers wrote: > Piotr, I am still concerned that you never looked into the issues I had > with StringArrayThreadContextMap. My performance tests were showing that it > was fast because it wasn’t actually setting val

Re: Release timeline for log4j 2.24.0?

2024-08-13 Thread Gary Gregory
John, You should test our snapshot builds just in case ;-) Gary On Tue, Aug 13, 2024, 3:43 PM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi John, > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 at 21:10, John Engebretson > wrote: > > HI - just curious when the updated ThreadContextMap will be available? > > The latest release is 2

Re: Staging site

2024-08-10 Thread Gary Gregory
Hi, Does the tech we use to build/host allow for the inclusion of a search box, say at the top? Javadoc now includes a search box which is quite a nice feature IMO. Gary On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 3:02 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > > Hi all, > > We finished revamping the documentation of Log4j 2. Th

Re: Staging site

2024-08-10 Thread Gary Gregory
On the front page: "Batteries included" Err... what? Let's not get cute here please. Gary On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 3:02 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > > Hi all, > > We finished revamping the documentation of Log4j 2. The result is > available on the staging site: > > https://logging.staged.apache.or

Re: Integration tests

2024-08-09 Thread Gary Gregory
ly together and report and fix issues. Since I've not heard of problems from people asking for JPMS with our new jars, i can only assume it works for them. Gary On Fri, Aug 9, 2024, 2:00 PM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi Gary, > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 at 15:24, Gary Gregory wrote:

Re: Integration tests

2024-08-09 Thread Gary Gregory
rid of warnings or errors to run an app. IOW, JPMS is something to work around and not with. If I had more time, I'd fork a JVM and add a --jpms-off flag... Gary On Fri, Aug 9, 2024, 8:59 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi Gary, > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 at 13:18, Gary Gregory wrote: &g

Re: Integration tests

2024-08-09 Thread Gary Gregory
... or working _way to hard_. Gary On Fri, Aug 9, 2024, 7:10 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi Gary, > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 at 12:00, Gary Gregory wrote: > > > > I hope you mean a new maven module and not a whole new git repo... > > Unfortunately I mean repo. The

Re: Open GitHub discussions for Log4j Scala and Kotlin

2024-08-09 Thread Gary Gregory
FYI While it is a different community, I have received negative feedback in Commons against the trend to spread information all over the place, and we don't use GitHub. The TLDR is that in the past it was easier to find information because you only had the mailing list and later Jira. Now you hav

Re: Integration tests

2024-08-09 Thread Gary Gregory
I hope you mean a new maven module and not a whole new git repo... Gary On Fri, Aug 9, 2024, 2:35 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi all, > > Unless I am mistaken, adding tests that run under JPMS is problematic > in the `apache/logging-log4j2` repository. Even if I create a new > Maven module for

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j Kotlin API `1.5.0` RC1

2024-08-05 Thread Gary Gregory
Hi Piotr, I just followed the instructions so it's likely these are incorrect or imprecise. Gary On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 1:00 PM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > > Hi Gary, > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 at 02:09, Gary Gregory wrote: > > > > Could the "review kit" ins

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j Kotlin API `1.5.0` RC1

2024-08-03 Thread Gary Gregory
Could the "review kit" instructions be incorrect then? I'm pretty sure I just followed the steps. Gary On Sat, Aug 3, 2024, 6:15 PM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi Gary, > > On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 at 23:47, Gary Gregory wrote: > > > > Using the review kit, runni

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j Kotlin API `1.5.0` RC1

2024-08-03 Thread Gary Gregory
Darwin Kernel Version 23.6.0: Fri Jul 5 17:54:20 PDT 2024; root:xnu-10063.141.1~2/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 Gary On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 5:46 PM Gary Gregory wrote: > > Using the review kit, running: > > sh mvnw -Prelease verify artifact:compare -Dreference.repo=$NEXUS_REPO > > I

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j Kotlin API `1.5.0` RC1

2024-08-03 Thread Gary Gregory
Using the review kit, running: sh mvnw -Prelease verify artifact:compare -Dreference.repo=$NEXUS_REPO I get: [INFO] --- artifact:3.5.0:compare (default-cli) @ log4j-api-kotlin-parent --- Downloading from reference: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachelogging-1290/org/apac

Re: Updating the Logging Services Logo

2024-07-23 Thread Gary Gregory
Hi. My view is do nothing until we get a new official logo. You don't want to create any branding confusion IMO. Gary On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 8:00 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi Gary, > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 at 13:41, Gary Gregory wrote: > > > > Don't create an

Re: Updating the Logging Services Logo

2024-07-23 Thread Gary Gregory
Don't create and use a new Apache logo without Apache marketing involved (or whichever part of Aapche is doing this). Gary On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 4:01 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi Ralph, > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 at 08:25, Ralph Goers > wrote: > > > > What am I missing here? In looking at all

Re: Updating the Logging Services Logo

2024-07-22 Thread Gary Gregory
is really opposed to it or if it is just a > general comment > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, at 12:01, Gary Gregory wrote: > > That sounds good. > > > > I'm not doing the work here but I would imagine that if I did I'd only > want > > to do it once ;-) For

Re: Updating the Logging Services Logo

2024-07-20 Thread Gary Gregory
we want to remove OR > replace existing images. Primarily to avoid breaking links, but ultimately > also updating marketing material in a retrospective. > > On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, 21:41 Gary Gregory, wrote: > > > I think this is a bad idea because it is putting the cart before the &

Re: Updating the Logging Services Logo

2024-07-19 Thread Gary Gregory
I think this is a bad idea because it is putting the cart before the horse as we say in English. Let Apache come up with our new branding and then use that. It seems all feathers of any kind are not allowed? Gary On Fri, Jul 19, 2024, 2:15 PM Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Hello, > > following th

Re: Release timeline for 2.24.0

2024-06-20 Thread Gary Gregory
xt-data I want to make sure that what we are > leaving will be compatible. > > Ralph > > > On Jun 20, 2024, at 4:15 AM, Gary Gregory > wrote: > > > > I lost track of where we are after our video discussion regarding all the > > scoped classes and 2.24.0.

Re: Release timeline for 2.24.0

2024-06-20 Thread Gary Gregory
On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 8:50 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > > Hi Gary, > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 at 13:55, Gary Gregory wrote: > > I'll give you all my -1 POV here: > > I share some of your concerns. > My main motivation for this experiment with Develocity is not to s

Re: Release timeline for 2.24.0

2024-06-20 Thread Gary Gregory
On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 7:37 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > > Hi Gary, > > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 at 13:15, Gary Gregory wrote: > > I lost track of where we are after our video discussion regarding all the > > scoped classes and 2.24.0. Where are we on those? > > F

Re: Release timeline for 2.24.0

2024-06-20 Thread Gary Gregory
n Tue, May 28, 2024, 12:27 PM Matt Sicker wrote: > Probably discussions about the ScopedContext API in general. > > > On May 26, 2024, at 14:49, Ralph Goers > wrote: > > > > > > > >> On May 26, 2024, at 11:06 AM, Christian Grobmeier > wrote: > &

Re: (logging-log4j2) branch 2.x updated: Disable PTS on a per-module basis

2024-06-14 Thread Gary Gregory
I sure hope that all tests are ALWAYS run by default in the 2.x branch, otherwise it will be a -1 from me. Gary On Fri, Jun 14, 2024, 11:07 AM wrote: > This is an automated email from the ASF dual-hosted git repository. > > pkarwasz pushed a commit to branch 2.x > in repository https://gitbox.a

Re: Release timeline for 2.24.0

2024-05-24 Thread Gary Gregory
I'd like to have the PMC meet to review and discuss ScopedContext, which I am not caught up on, and whatever else we should chat about. Gary On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 2:11 PM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > > Hi John, > > On Fri, 24 May 2024 at 17:17, John Engebretson wrote: > > The long-debated Scoped

Re: Author lines in documentation

2024-05-14 Thread Gary Gregory
Agreed. The commit history is the best source of authorship anyway. Gary On Tue, May 14, 2024, 12:05 PM Ralph Goers wrote: > IMO, yes. I had them due to something needed them in the tooling we used > to use. But like code, tags in the docs aren’t very valuable. > > Ralph > > > On May 14, 2024,

Re: [Log4j] In 2.x, drop log4j-mongodb3 and add log4j-mongodb5

2024-04-21 Thread Gary Gregory
t is MongoDb. > > > 1.c. Deprecate module log4j-mongodb4 in favor of log4j-mongodb > > > > > > 2. Branch main > > > 2.a. Rename module log4j-mongodb4 to module log4j-mongodb > > > 2.b. Rename XML element MongoDb4 to MongoDb > > > > > >

Re: Canonicalization of URLs on our website

2024-04-20 Thread Gary Gregory
I agree with Piotr. I prefer the simplest solution, pointing to `index.html`, no guessing required. Gary On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 4:17 PM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > > Hi, > > I scanned our https://logging.apache.org/ website and found out that > the internal hyperlinks between our pages are not co

Re: [Log4j] In 2.x, drop log4j-mongodb3 and add log4j-mongodb5

2024-04-17 Thread Gary Gregory
But then your config has to say AND depend on the mongodb5 module! Still confusing 😕 On Wed, Apr 17, 2024, 2:29 PM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi Gary, > > On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 at 18:45, Gary Gregory wrote: > > Maybe if want to only use the latest driver for main, we shou

Re: [Log4j] In 2.x, drop log4j-mongodb3 and add log4j-mongodb5

2024-04-17 Thread Gary Gregory
Maybe if want to only use the latest driver for main, we should rename the module and classes and drop the "4". That or go with what I initially suggested. Gary On Wed, Apr 17, 2024, 12:18 PM Gary Gregory wrote: > Hi Piotr, > > Having mongodb4 module depend on the mongo

Re: [Log4j] In 2.x, drop log4j-mongodb3 and add log4j-mongodb5

2024-04-17 Thread Gary Gregory
Hi Piotr, Having mongodb4 module depend on the mongodb 5 driver sure is confusing though. What I don't know and don't want to deal with is "I updated to the latest log4j-mongdb5 version and my app no longer works" because it might turn out that the newer 5.x driver drops support for older Mongo ve

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j Tools 0.8.0 (RC3)

2024-03-21 Thread Gary Gregory
What's the difference with RC2? TY, Gary On Thu, Mar 21, 2024, 11:46 AM Volkan Yazıcı wrote: > This is a vote to release the Apache Log4j Tools 0.8.0 (RC3). > > Website: https://logging.staged.apache.org/log4j/tools > GitHub: https://github.com/apache/logging-log4j-tools > Commit: 7d157b61e198e

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j Tools 0.8.0 (RC2)

2024-03-19 Thread Gary Gregory
+1 Tested src zip file SHA512 OK ASC OK Apache RAT check OK Build 'mvn clean verify' OK Using: openjdk version "17.0.10" 2024-01-16 OpenJDK Runtime Environment Homebrew (build 17.0.10+0) OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Homebrew (build 17.0.10+0, mixed mode, sharing) Apache Maven 3.9.6 (bc0240f3c744dd6

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4Net 2.0.17

2024-03-15 Thread Gary Gregory
Ah, ok, then I'll abstain from voting until we have a version I can build locally. TY for the heads up. Gary On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 2:24 PM Jan Friedrich wrote: > > Hello Gary, > > https://paste.apache.org/1ropz looks like you're building 2.0.16? > Building the current version is currently ver

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4Net 2.0.17

2024-03-15 Thread Gary Gregory
What about the failure? Gary On Fri, Mar 15, 2024, 11:35 AM Davyd McColl wrote: > Hi > > Yes, everything should be done via npm scripts. So I should remove any > confusing .cmd files. > > As for the version, I should update that, but it's minor. That version > comes from package.json and will o

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4net 2.0.16

2024-03-08 Thread Gary Gregory
any holdups and that was due to outdated build > docs from me - so it should be resolved. There were no -1's, and at > least 4 +1's that I saw. I'll try to keep better tally next time. > > > -d > > On 2024/03/08 14:22, Gary Gregory wrote: > > Process: >

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4net 2.0.16

2024-03-08 Thread Gary Gregory
Process: You need to reply to this thread with a [RESULT] prefix, tally all the votes, and say whether the vote passes or not. It is helpful to note which votes are binding or not. Gary On Fri, Mar 8, 2024, 6:06 AM Davyd McColl wrote: > Hi all > > > Thanks for all the checking - log4net 2.0.16

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j 2.23.1

2024-03-06 Thread Gary Gregory
All better now: +1 For details see: [log4j] `2.23.1` reproducibility failure (Was: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j 2.23.1) Gary On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 9:26 AM Gary Gregory wrote: > > Same :-( > > [INFO] --- bnd-baseline:7.0.0:baseline (check-api-compat) @ log4j-bom --- > [INF

Re: [log4j] `2.23.1` reproducibility failure (Was: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j 2.23.1)

2024-03-06 Thread Gary Gregory
The build was completed successfully. Gary On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 11:02 AM Gary Gregory wrote: > > I nuked the whole thing (rm -rf ~/.m2/repository/) for good measure > (I'll do that once a month from now on). > > Building (and downloading the world)... > > It'

Re: [log4j] `2.23.1` reproducibility failure (Was: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j 2.23.1)

2024-03-06 Thread Gary Gregory
Could you do `rm -rf ~/.m2/repository/org/apache/commons` and retry, > please? (If you compare `target/bom.xml`s you can see that your local > `commons-*` clones have different hashes.) > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 4:00 PM Gary Gregory wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 9:54 AM Vo

Re: [log4j] `2.23.1` reproducibility failure (Was: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j 2.23.1)

2024-03-06 Thread Gary Gregory
On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 9:54 AM Volkan Yazıcı wrote: > > Could you share the `target/bom.xml` and https://paste.apache.org/za0k3 > `target/log4j-bom-2.23.1.buildinfo` files too, please? https://paste.apache.org/1403q Gary > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 3:35 PM Gary Gregory wrot

Re: [log4j] `2.23.1` reproducibility failure (Was: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j 2.23.1)

2024-03-06 Thread Gary Gregory
Which command are you exactly running? > > Could you share the `target/bom.xml` and `target/log4j-bom-2.23.1.buildinfo` > files too, please? > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 3:28 PM Gary Gregory wrote: >> >> Same :-( >> >> [INFO] --- bnd-baseline:7.0.0:baseline (che

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j 2.23.1

2024-03-06 Thread Gary Gregory
Gary On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 9:23 AM Volkan Yazıcı wrote: > > Could you retry after cleaning up your local repository, please? That is, > > rm -rf ~/.m2/repository/org/apache/logging/log4j/*/2.23.1* > > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 3:03 PM Gary Gregory wrote: >

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j 2.23.1

2024-03-06 Thread Gary Gregory
I get a build failure: INFO] --- artifact:3.5.0:compare (default-cli) @ log4j-bom --- [ERROR] project.build.outputTimestamp property should not be inherited but defined in POM /Users/garydgregory/rc/log4j/src/.flattened-pom.xml Downloading from reference: https://repository.apache.org/content/repo

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j 2.23.1

2024-03-06 Thread Gary Gregory
Hi, Thank you for creating this RC. It would be more helpful to provide cut-and-paste instructions. This does not work obviously: svn co https://dist.apache.org/repos/... && cd $_ Neither the "svn co" nor the cd "$_" will work ;-) Gary On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 8:13 AM Volkan Yazıcı wrote: > >

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j 3.0.0-beta2 RC1

2024-02-18 Thread Gary Gregory
+1 Note that the verification instructions below or the distro process or both need changes because the wget and all commands get EVERYTHING and work on EVERYTHING, which in this case means that BOTH release candidates for 2.23.0 and 3.0.0-beta2 are downloaded and instructions work on both at the

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j 2.23.0 RC1

2024-02-17 Thread Gary Gregory
+1 - Testing src zip file. - ASC OK - SHA512 OK - mvn clean verify OK openjdk version "17.0.9" 2023-10-17 OpenJDK Runtime Environment Homebrew (build 17.0.9+0) OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Homebrew (build 17.0.9+0, mixed mode, sharing) Apache Maven 3.9.6 (bc0240f3c744dd6b6ec2920b3cd08dcc295161ae) Ma

Re: Version 2.23.0 release schedule

2024-02-17 Thread Gary Gregory
Cool beans. Gary On Sat, Feb 17, 2024, 12:55 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi Gary, > > On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 at 03:12, Gary Gregory wrote: > > > > Hi Piotr, > > > > Are you planning for a RC? > > Yes, I'll prepare a release this weekend. > > Piotr >

Re: Version 2.23.0 release schedule

2024-02-16 Thread Gary Gregory
Hi Piotr, Are you planning for a RC? Gary On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 8:12 AM Gary Gregory wrote: > > FYI, the 1.2 bridge is fixed now. Not sure if the bug is present or not for > JUL. > > Gary > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, 8:07 AM Piotr P. Karwasz > wrote: >> >>

Re: Migrate *all* Issue Tracking and Discussions to GitHub

2024-02-14 Thread Gary Gregory
Keep in mind that decisions for the project still must be recorded on the mailing list. This might be a silly reminder since the issue is the same with Jira. Let's just be mindful of this information tracking as we've moved more of our infrastructure to GitHub. Don't get me wrong, I love working wi

Re: Version 2.23.0 release schedule

2024-02-14 Thread Gary Gregory
FYI, the 1.2 bridge is fixed now. Not sure if the bug is present or not for JUL. Gary On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, 8:07 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi Gary, > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 at 13:22, Gary Gregory wrote: > > > > I'll continue later today to try and fix the set L

Re: Usage examples of flow messages

2024-02-13 Thread Gary Gregory
I think I invented this extra stuff back when I was co-writing a proprietary, complex, and feature-rich JDBC driver. I no longer live in that particular code base, but I can say that writing this kind of code and implementing a specification like JDBC makes you write code to a logging library rathe

Re: [VOTE] Move Chainsaw to dormant

2024-02-12 Thread Gary Gregory
+1 Gary On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 4:32 PM Christian Grobmeier wrote: > > Hello, > > This vote is to put Chainsaw to the "Dormant" components. There is much work > to be done on this component, but not enough hours can be committed to do > that work. To reflect this situation to the user, it is b

Re: Version 2.23.0 release schedule

2024-02-12 Thread Gary Gregory
I'll continue later today to try and fix the set Level issue... Gary On Mon, Feb 12, 2024, 6:15 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi all, > > This week I was planning to perform a 2.23.0 release. According to > Github most of the issues scheduled for this milestone are resolved: > > https://github.c

Re: Using the Log4j 1.2 bridge.

2024-02-11 Thread Gary Gregory
To make sure I understand, you are saying the bug is in org.apache.logging.log4j.core.Logger.setLevel(Level)? Gary On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 5:24 PM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > > Hi Gary, > > On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 at 18:14, Gary Gregory wrote: > > In my branch > > https:/

Re: Using the Log4j 1.2 bridge.

2024-02-10 Thread Gary Gregory
Thank you Piotr! I'll poke around... Gary On Sat, Feb 10, 2024, 5:24 PM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi Gary, > > On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 at 18:14, Gary Gregory wrote: > > In my branch > https://github.com/garydgregory/commons-logging/tree/log4j1-log42-api > > I have tes

Fwd: Using the Log4j 1.2 bridge.

2024-02-10 Thread Gary Gregory
Hi All and Piotr mostly (since you did the 2.x code in Commons Logging), [ Background: My reply https://lists.apache.org/thread/rcxkfffg9pfj9662d1fxlyo4l8cv2yyq to the post https://lists.apache.org/thread/w5yq2locvdt8yhf8k9075vgjg1kw5569 ] In my branch https://github.com/garydgregory/commons-log

Re: [Log4j] If and how to document potential OOME

2024-01-26 Thread Gary Gregory
gt; >> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 11:33 PM Ralph Goers > >> wrote: > >> > >> OK. The only good way to handle that is to parse the YAML/JSON file > while > >> streaming it and extract just the fields you want to include in the > logs. > >> >

Re: [Log4j] If and how to document potential OOME

2024-01-25 Thread Gary Gregory
just the fields you want to include in the logs. > > Ralph > > > On Jan 25, 2024, at 6:40 PM, Gary Gregory > wrote: > > > > Well, it's worse than that because the object is an object created by > > parsing a YAML (or JSON) file, then the toString()

Re: [Log4j] If and how to document potential OOME

2024-01-25 Thread Gary Gregory
Well, it's worse than that because the object is an object created by parsing a YAML (or JSON) file, then the toString() of that object renders a String in some other format. Gary On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 7:45 PM Ralph Goers wrote: > > Volkan & Matt, > > Neither of those is going to help. The iss

Re: [Log4j] If and how to document potential OOME

2024-01-25 Thread Gary Gregory
Obvious mistake: logger.debug("This is fun", myFunObject::toString) -> logger.debug("This is fun {}", myFunObject::toString) Gary On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 11:55 AM Gary D. Gregory wrote: > Hi All, > > I'd like to ask how to if we can devise advice around an issue I ran into > this week. > > One

Re: [log4j] Making Log4j 2 API "the Log4j API"

2024-01-18 Thread Gary Gregory
Using the same API jar for 3.x core is intriguing. I like the idea of a cleaned-up API jar (no custom Supplier) that can front 2.x and 3.x. I'd love to hash this out in a call. Gary On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 12:02 AM Ralph Goers wrote: > > The quick answer to this question is “I don’t know”. When

Re: [log4j] Performance figures

2024-01-16 Thread Gary Gregory
; proposition” of Log4j? Why should people choose Log4j over the > alternatives? > > This is a positioning question; what are the strengths and weaknesses of > Log4j and how should Log4j position itself in the market of logging > solutions? > > Remko > > > > On Jan 15

Re: [log4j] `.asf.yaml` between branches

2024-01-16 Thread Gary Gregory
Should these files contain comments to this effect? Gary On Tue, Jan 16, 2024, 1:18 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi Ralph, > > On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 at 01:56, Ralph Goers > wrote: > > > > I don’t understand what it means to keep both staging and publish in > “asf-site”. By definition, the asf-si

Re: [log4j] Performance figures

2024-01-15 Thread Gary Gregory
We should IMO keep this information available _somewhere_, maybe in a new stable historical-archival section of the site. I'm not a fan of using the wiki because that's yet another place to look for information and it feels transitory, unstable (as far as information permanance), and more like some

Re: [log4j] ProGuard support in `log4j-api`

2024-01-11 Thread Gary Gregory
It feels wrong to add support for a special development time tool in our runtime. Gary On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 1:58 PM Ralph Goers wrote: > Yeah - if we add it to the code base that implies that we are testing it. > I really don’t want to be in the position where we start adding > customizations

Re: Spring 3 and Log4j 3

2024-01-09 Thread Gary Gregory
Nice! 😀 On Tue, Jan 9, 2024, 4:45 PM Ralph Goers wrote: > FYI - in > https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/issues/33450#issuecomment-1883014368 > has confirmed that Log4j 3.0.0-beta1 now works correctly with Spring 3.x. > > Ralph

Re: PropertyKey abstraction

2024-01-04 Thread Gary Gregory
FWIW, I'm NOT a fan of the static analysis option. Good design should be reflected in the code. We should not pick suboptimal abstractions (or no abstraction in this case) plus static analysis to validate odd design choices. Gafy On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 11:29 AM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > Hi Ralph,

Re: Reproducibility checks

2023-12-27 Thread Gary Gregory
P. Karwasz wrote: > > Hi Gary, > > On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 at 17:45, Gary Gregory wrote: > > > > +1 > > - Tested src zip file > > - ASC OK > > - SHA512 OK > > - `mvn clean verify` OK > > - Using: > > Apache Maven 3.9.6 (bc0240f3c744dd6b6

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j Kotlin API 1.4.0

2023-12-24 Thread Gary Gregory
+1 - Tested src zip file - ASC OK - SHA512 OK - Building 'mvn clean verify' OK - Using: Apache Maven 3.9.6 (bc0240f3c744dd6b6ec2920b3cd08dcc295161ae) Maven home: /usr/local/Cellar/maven/3.9.6/libexec Java version: 17.0.9, vendor: Homebrew, runtime: /usr/local/Cellar/openjdk@17/17.0.9/libexec/openjd

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j 2.22.1 RC1

2023-12-23 Thread Gary Gregory
3 Dec 2023 at 17:47, Gary Gregory wrote: > > > > Question: Where is the git tag in these VOTE emails? I see a "Commit" > > but no named tag. > > The CI does not create tags, but it works on a separate branch > `release/x.y.z` and the commit should be the last commi

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j 2.22.1 RC1

2023-12-23 Thread Gary Gregory
TY for the references. Gary On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 2:20 PM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > > Hi Gary, > > On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 at 16:23, Gary Gregory wrote: > > > > Can this noise be made quiet in the future please (mvn clean verify -U): > > This is a temporary workaro

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j 2.22.1 RC1

2023-12-23 Thread Gary Gregory
Question: Where is the git tag in these VOTE emails? I see a "Commit" but no named tag. Gary On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 1:01 PM Piotr P. Karwasz wrote: > > This is a vote to release the Apache Log4j 2.22.1. > > Website: https://logging.staged.apache.org/log4j/2.x/ > GitHub: https://github.com/apach

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j 2.22.1 RC1

2023-12-23 Thread Gary Gregory
+1 - Tested src zip file - ASC OK - SHA512 OK - `mvn clean verify` OK - Using: Apache Maven 3.9.6 (bc0240f3c744dd6b6ec2920b3cd08dcc295161ae) Maven home: /usr/local/Cellar/maven/3.9.6/libexec Java version: 17.0.9, vendor: Homebrew, runtime: /usr/local/Cellar/openjdk@17/17.0.9/libexec/openjdk.jdk/Con

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Log4j 2.22.1 RC1

2023-12-23 Thread Gary Gregory
Can this noise be made quiet in the future please (mvn clean verify -U): ... [INFO] --- bsh:1.4:run (process-sbom) @ log4j-api-java9 --- [INFO] Executing Script [INFO] file class java.lang.Object [INFO] script class java.lang.String [INFO] evaluating script import java.io.*; import java.nio.file.*

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