People on this thread might benefit from the blog by Peter Korn about
MassGov & Accessibility...
I point to it on www.PlexNex.com
-Sam
Ian Lynch wrote:
On Sat, 2005-11-19 at 11:25 +, Jonathon Blake wrote:
a) The issue is not creating the documents, but being able to find
the tools
Benjamin Horst wrote:
I'm in NYC and could get in touch with State or City CIOs. (Sam, since
you're here too, I'll happily defer to your preference of course.)
Ben-
Let's meet & have coffee after I get back to the city Sept 12. I'm Upper
West Side. You?
-Sam
Ben
On Sep 4, 2005, at 4:4
Daniel Carrera wrote:
Jason Faulkner wrote:
Here is another article that gives an MS spin. *We need to be in this
discussion, as the defenders of ODF!*
http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=170700325
"Microsoft will not support OpenDocument in its next version of Offi
This editorial, too, is among the better pieces...
ZDNet UK
http://comment.zdnet.co.uk/other/0,39020682,39216101,00.htm
-unknown
swhiser wrote:
More coverage and deeper insight...
The Boston Globe
http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2005/09/02/state_may_drop_office_software
More coverage and deeper insight...
The Boston Globe
http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2005/09/02/state_may_drop_office_software/
by Hiawatha Bray
"Why OpenDocument Won (and Microsoft Office Open XML Didn't)"
http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/why-opendocument-won.html
by David Whee
Ian Lynch wrote:
On Sat, 2005-09-03 at 11:22 -0400, swhiser wrote:
The FUD will be loud and it (we) will embarass them, because people get
this now.
Question: Would it be feasible to set up a petition of MS customers who
would like them to adopt ODF as the default in the next
Ian Lynch wrote:
Any responses to arguments set forth by
Microsoft, et. al., should avoid the emotional dialogue, and focus on
the technical merits of Mass' decision.
Thank you Don and Ian for your comments...
Technical or economic merits. While MS might say it will cost MA to
ret
see attached if you want to know what really gets under Microsoft's skin.
This topic was covered here as far back as July:
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/40154/index.html
-Sam
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Werner Punz Wrote:
> Ballmer is playing with the life of his company here, without realizi
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:
MA doesn't need help from OOo Marketing. They need a vendors and, as
I said before, IBM, Novell and others will do.
Will either MA or Novell join the OpenDocument TC?
Just curious!?
Any body can.
Here's the list:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php
All the best,
Erwin
Adam Moore wrote:
On 9/1/05, Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 12:31 -0400, swhiser wrote:
BTW, we were talking about PR and OOo spokespeople with official lines.
Isn't this the type of thing OOo should be taking an official line on
an
Ian Lynch wrote:
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 15:00 -0400, swhiser wrote:
Adam Moore wrote:
On 9/1/05, Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 12:31 -0400, swhiser wrote:
BTW, we were talking about PR and OOo spokespeople with official lines.
Isn'
Daniel Carrera wrote:
swhiser wrote:
Yep this is the reason why I think we need a Public Relations team.
They could have gotten together and started talking to the press.
Why?
This was generated from 2 stories, through the power of Internet
Syndication:
LXer.com
http://lxer.com
Daniel Carrera wrote:
Adam Moore wrote:
Maybe we can offer to do some research for them on what software out
there provides the OpenDocument format.
Maybe we can help them find a certification program on IT skills that
will be meaningful in the context of open standards and OpenDocument. :
as big news as well as a
surprise). It didnt need 6 OOo people calling their press relationships.
On 9/1/05, swhiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Adam Moore wrote:
On 9/1/05, Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 12:31 -0400, swhiser wrote:
BTW
Daniel Carrera wrote:
swhiser wrote:
If you can add to the effort it's not in lobbying or "helping" in
Mass; it is in helping get the 50 other states to make a similar
declaration.
"helping" MA is important. If we can help them go through this
smoothly, and n
Adam Moore wrote:
On 9/1/05, Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 12:31 -0400, swhiser wrote:
BTW, we were talking about PR and OOo spokespeople with official lines.
Isn't this the type of thing OOo should be taking an official line on
and releasing it to t
there provides the OpenDocument
format. I know your not in MA anymore Daniel, but maybe you can e-mail him
and ask them if there is any way we can help them move forward afterwards.
On 9/1/05, Daniel Carrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
swhiser wrote:
News Coverage:
Let&#
Postmortem:
Microsoft's damage-control messaging is that this as a cost risk and a
political situation:
"I think it would be pretty risky for the state of Massachusetts to go
in a direction like this without a clear look at
J David Eisenberg wrote:
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Adam Moore wrote:
> I live in the same blue state as Sun.
Sam Hiser wrote;
> The Blue States will topple within the year.
> This is my priority.
What the heck is a "blue state"?
In the last United States presiden
Adam Moore wrote:
On 8/31/05, Graham Lauder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Massachusetts has published it's document format policies.
Approved formats : txt, pdf and OASIS Open Document
http://www.mass.gov/Aitd/
No mention of .rtf or .doc
Hot damn!!
Submissions close 5 Sept '05
Cheers
Yo
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Daniel Carrera wrote:
Graham Lauder wrote:
Massachusetts has published it's document format policies.
Approved formats : txt, pdf and OASIS Open Document
http://www.mass.gov/Aitd/
No mention of .rtf or .doc
Hot damn!!
:-D
Go Eric Kriss!!
This is amazing. Originally, MA had declared Mi
Graham Lauder wrote:
swhiser wrote:
Well caught, Graham. It makes my year:
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/42442/index.html
Cool Sam,
That explains it nicely. I'll link to your article in my Blog.
Better than wading for an hour through all the Govt-ese.
Only thing, your ar
Well caught, Graham. It makes my year:
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/42442/index.html
Graham Lauder wrote:
Massachusetts has published it's document format policies.
Approved formats : txt, pdf and OASIS Open Document
http://www.mass.gov/Aitd/
No mention of .rtf or .doc
Hot damn!!
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:
So why dont they work with us? Novell has a fork, Red Hat and Ubuntu
build on the Novell fork. IBM is working thier own fork under the
SISSL and not contributing back. The question must be asked, "Do we
have bad breath?"
I think these companies can (and BTW do) sp
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:
Why then are Sun people connected with the project going around
saying constantly that the priority is to increase the number of
developers. Somebody does not understand the problem(s)...or there is
a big disconnect. There are reasons why it's hard to attract
voluntee
Adam Moore wrote:
I know of a couple of people who commit code for the mac port and they don't
eat tofu. I'm not sure about the communist thing. They could be employed,
but not by a company that funds their developing time.
lol
On 8/30/05, swhiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
.
On 8/30/05, swhiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Adam Moore wrote:
Sorry I must have missed the point. He would not like the survey you did.
It's like explaining a (bad) joke...
"...he [Erwin/Sun] didn't seem to care what outsiders thought. As it is
the peopl
Jason Faulkner wrote:
I just would like to avoid personal accusations.
s/personal/all :)
As I said prior, we're all shooting for the same goal.
Nice sentiment. I don't believe it's true.
-Sam
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To unsubscribe,
out of touch and Microsoft is winning at killing interest.
-Sam
On 8/30/05, swhiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Adam Moore wrote:
On 8/30/05, swhiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Adam Moore wrote:
snip
I'll also say after talking to one of
Adam Moore wrote:
On 8/30/05, swhiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Adam Moore wrote:
snip
I'll also say after talking to one of the major developers of OpenOffice
he
felt the same way too. This is a decision for the development team to
Adam Moore wrote:
snip
I'll also say after talking to one of the major developers of OpenOffice he
felt the same way too. This is a decision for the development team to make.
Such a decision may be taken out of their hands if they are not curious
as to why they cannot get free help fr
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:
snip
Yes, I risk ignoring developers who have such strong opinions that
they did not want to have anything to do with OpenOffice.org under
its current structure. Thus, did not indicate any level of
commitment. However, to me listening to everybody seems to be of
higher
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:
Erwin-
This comment is a bit scary. It's the point of getting input...from
people who have been turned off by OOo's licensing setup...those who
have not been participating.
-Sam
I just don't believe in demanding statements coming from "random"
people. It's like say
swhiser wrote:
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:
I wonder how many comments will actually come from real OpenOffice.org
contributors or at least people who have expressed serious believable
interest in developing for OpenOffice.org.
Erwin-
This comment is a bit scary. It's the point of ge
any of us on the Marketing
list.
I'm curious what people think.
It's a mistake to believe that I am advocating GPL. Please re-read the
article.
-Sam
Best regards,
Erwin
swhiser wrote:
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/42367/index.html
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Charles-H.Schulz wrote:
Thank you Sam for this fine mess. That's what I call a disservice.
Charles.
Charles-
You sound threatened. I don't understand that reaction.
-Sam
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Charles-H.Schulz wrote:
Thank you Sam for this fine mess. That's what I call a disservice.
Charles.
swhiser wrote:
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/42367/index.html
Charles-
What about the benefit of an open discussion? There's never been an
attempt to understand what peo
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/42367/index.html
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Ian Lynch wrote:
On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 22:06 -0400, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
Jean, no one is saying, least of all me, that an excellent benefit of
a hosting a booth at a conference is not community building. It
partly depends on the conference, of course. Having a booth at a
confere
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
Hi,
On Aug 29, 2005, at 9:12 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Daniel Carrera wrote:
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
Daniel Carrera wrote:
Do you feel that team-building within the community is
unimportant? For an open source project, I think that this sort
of interactio
Eric Renaud wrote:
This strident kind of exchange is one of the reasons OOo has
difficulty. OOo is not sexy to the outside world and it's really not
fun to have LS_P's pedantic hot breath on one's neck on the inside.
-Sam
Can we (any of us) not get personal? And while I don't want to
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
Hi,
On Aug 27, 2005, at 3:46 PM, Daniel Carrera wrote:
[snip]
Yes it was fun for those attending.
Do you feel that team-building within the community is unimportant?
For an open source project, I think that this sort of interaction
between members is very
and the project.
Apparently, on the eve of 2.0 Final, NOTHING is going on!
-Sam
On 8/15/05, swhiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
swhiser wrote:
Daniel Carrera wrote:
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:
I guess, I could have said explicitly on the list that Sun will
not ha
swhiser wrote:
Daniel Carrera wrote:
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:
I guess, I could have said explicitly on the list that Sun will
not have an OpenOffice.org pod at LinuxWorld SF this year. At
the same time I could have encouraged people to setup an
OpenOffice.org pod in the .org pavillion.
I
Benjamin Horst wrote:
Though a solitary wave recedes back into the ocean, it means nothing
to the rising tide.
Wishful thinking wrapped in denial. The first 10% was easy. They are
working every SINGLE migrating account. They are trying to undo EVERYTHING.
There is no motivation for volu
Daniel Carrera wrote:
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:
I guess, I could have said explicitly on the list that Sun will
not have an OpenOffice.org pod at LinuxWorld SF this year. At
the same time I could have encouraged people to setup an
OpenOffice.org pod in the .org pavillion.
I would go even furt
Graham Lauder wrote:
swhiser wrote:
This as very interesting. It is consistent with my frustration at our
traditional imbalance spending too much effort within the FLOSS black
box, preaching to the converted. So I support the sentiment
expressed here about conferences.
But that aside
Simon Phipps wrote:
On Aug 14, 2005, at 19:14, swhiser wrote:
snip
[
IBM is certainly not obligated to contribute back to OOo has no
legal, moral or technical obligation to do so. This is due to the
SISSL/LGPL licences. I believe also that the way they are using OOo
Mark Harrison wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "swhiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Marketing] article: "LinuxWorld 2005 Thursday"
Food for thought:
if the OOo code base were GPL'd, then IBM's
Adam Moore wrote:
On 8/14/05, Graham Lauder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Adam Moore wrote:
I specifically did not go because I don't feel it's the best place to
spend our time. These people already know OpenOffice. Being at OSCON
I kind of discovered that the best people to be there a
Please see my comments below...
Graham Lauder wrote:
Deepankar Datta wrote:
Hi
This is a round up of the linuxworld 2005 expo written by an attendee,
with a sort of negative slant on OOo not attending, seen in these
choice quotes:
"But the biggest surprise wasn't who was there, but who wasn
Graham Lauder wrote:
Deepankar Datta wrote:
Hi
This is a round up of the linuxworld 2005 expo written by an attendee,
with a sort of negative slant on OOo not attending, seen in these
choice quotes:
"But the biggest surprise wasn't who was there, but who wasn't--the
OpenOffice.org folks."
"
Graham Lauder wrote:
Deepankar Datta wrote:
Hi
This is a round up of the linuxworld 2005 expo written by an attendee,
with a sort of negative slant on OOo not attending, seen in these
choice quotes:
"But the biggest surprise wasn't who was there, but who wasn't--the
OpenOffice.org folks."
"
Charles-H.Schulz wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, 2005-08-14 at 07:44 -0400, Lars D. Noodén wrote:
Before it was a lobbying organization / political movement, MS was first
and foremost a marketing company and still retains that expertise. So I'd
expect that there was a fair amount of evening meetings i
Ian Lynch wrote:
On Wed, 2005-08-10 at 21:16 -0400, Matthew Bennett wrote:
snip
I work closely with the Postgres community which uses a Berkley license
and we have more developers working on the project today because
commercial companies are willing to pay developers to make the project
be
Adam Moore wrote:
On 8/10/05, Louis Suarez-Potts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
I second Eric's thanks. Both Adam and Matthew presented interesting
reviews of OOo. Thanks.
OSCON is not marketing heavy. It's mainly a developer meeting, or at
least tries to be. Actually, this year was the l
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