Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-12-12 Thread Lars Nooden
Christine Louise Beems wrote: Do I understand correctly here that ultimately a web browser type utility will be capable to open different document formats...? Thanks. ~Christine That would be one way to have a universal ODF viewer. There have been generic XML/SGML browsers in the past and the

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-12-11 Thread Peter Junge
Hi Bernhard, sorry for the late reply, I took some time off. Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Peter, all, Peter Junge wrote: John McCreesh wrote: On Thu, November 26, 2009 6:59 pm, Bernhard Dippold wrote: [snip] 1. ODF branding is important, but should not lead to weakening of OOo branding on

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-12-11 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Peter, * Peter Junge schrieb: Hi Bernhard, sorry for the late reply, I took some time off. No problem - I've been quite busy too ;-) Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Peter, all, Peter Junge wrote: [...] Whatever installation comes last provides the icons. If it is not customizable during

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-12-11 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Sorry, I didn't include the link... Bernhard Dippold schrieb: [...] Reading Louis' posting on the ODF adoption list [1] I'm not really sure if this approach is the right one [...] [1]: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/odf-adoption/200912/msg0.html Best regards Bernhard

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?

2009-12-05 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Drew, * Drew Jensen schrieb: Juergen Schmidt wrote: [...] the key message of the icons is to strengthen the ODF brand. And that application independent! For ODF it is important that people understand the openness of the format, that it is based on a standard and that it can be used with

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-12-05 Thread Cor Nouws
Peter Junge wrote (1-12-2009 8:18) General remark: I didn't find the time to read the whole discussion here, so I might reiterate things that have already been said. Anyway I think this discussion is mostly happening at the wrong place. As we have often emphasized OOo is not equal ODF.

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-12-03 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Jürgen, all, Juergen Schmidt schrieb: Bernhard Dippold wrote: [...] Peter Junge wrote: [...] Personal remark: I would strongly prefer standardized icon sets for any file format. IMHO the clear type recognition should be the main priority for ease of use. As mentioned before: because

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-12-03 Thread Juergen Schmidt
Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Jürgen, all, Juergen Schmidt schrieb: Bernhard Dippold wrote: [...] Peter Junge wrote: [...] Personal remark: I would strongly prefer standardized icon sets for any file format. IMHO the clear type recognition should be the main priority for ease of use. As

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-12-03 Thread Jens Habermann
Hi all, I am also still thinking about a startcenter solution, because there is a chance we use new ODF icons and lose the color scheme. So I made this time a prototype based on my dark icon design. I removed all icons, because in this way we are icons independent...

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-12-02 Thread Juergen Schmidt
Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Peter, all, Peter Junge wrote: John McCreesh wrote: On Thu, November 26, 2009 6:59 pm, Bernhard Dippold wrote: [snip] 1. ODF branding is important, but should not lead to weakening of OOo branding on user's desktops. 2. The OOo document icons are part of our

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?

2009-12-02 Thread Drew Jensen
Juergen Schmidt wrote: Lars Nooden wrote: Bernhard Dippold wrote: In my eyes these colors have a message we shouldn't give up without having thought about the positive and negative aspects of this change. Same with the product information in the icons. Many icon themes use one or two colors

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-12-01 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Peter, all, Peter Junge wrote: John McCreesh wrote: On Thu, November 26, 2009 6:59 pm, Bernhard Dippold wrote: [snip] 1. ODF branding is important, but should not lead to weakening of OOo branding on user's desktops. 2. The OOo document icons are part of our visual identity and

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-11-30 Thread John McCreesh
On Thu, November 26, 2009 6:59 pm, Bernhard Dippold wrote: [snip] 1. ODF branding is important, but should not lead to weakening of OOo branding on user's desktops. 2. The OOo document icons are part of our visual identity and therefore used in several marketing areas. We should not give up

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-11-30 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi John, Alexandro, * thanks for your feedback! John McCreesh schrieb: On Thu, November 26, 2009 6:59 pm, Bernhard Dippold wrote: [snip] 1. ODF branding is important, but should not lead to weakening of OOo branding on user's desktops. 2. The OOo document icons are part of our visual

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-11-26 Thread Lutz Hoeger
Hi Bernhard, Please don't get me wrong, I am quite thankful for your effort to extend project Unified ODF Icons into the marketing realm. But at the same time, I would like to ask you to not duplicate the discussion that already happens in disc...@ux. In particular your action list from At first

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-11-26 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Lutz, all, Lutz Hoeger schrieb: Hi Bernhard, Please don't get me wrong, I am quite thankful for your effort to extend project Unified ODF Icons into the marketing realm. But at the same time, I would like to ask you to not duplicate the discussion that already happens in disc...@ux. I

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-11-25 Thread Jens Habermann
Hi all! I created a prototype for a new all ODF selection screen. Because of the icons missing colors, all other color buttons ( templates, web... ) looks strangely out of place. So i did this monochromatic ODF version. So we have something visual to talk about...

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-11-25 Thread Juergen Schmidt
Jens Habermann wrote: Hi all! I created a prototype for a new all ODF selection screen. Because of the icons missing colors, all other color buttons ( templates, web... ) looks strangely out of place. So i did this monochromatic ODF version. So we have something visual to talk about...

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-11-25 Thread Lars Nooden
Jens Habermann wrote: Hi all! I created a prototype for a new all ODF selection screen. Because of the icons missing colors, all other color buttons ( templates, web... ) looks strangely out of place. So i did this monochromatic ODF version. So we have something visual to talk about...

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-11-25 Thread Volker Merschmann
Hi Juergen, 2009/11/25 Juergen Schmidt juergen.schm...@sun.com: Jens Habermann wrote: I created a prototype for a new all ODF selection screen. Because of the icons missing colors, all other color buttons ( templates, web... ) looks strangely out of place. So i did this monochromatic ODF

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-11-25 Thread Cor Nouws
Volker Merschmann wrote (25-11-2009 13:59) 2009/11/25 Juergen Schmidt juergen.schm...@sun.com: Jens Habermann wrote: I created a prototype for a new all ODF selection screen. Because of the icons missing colors, all other color buttons ( templates, web... ) looks strangely out of place. So i

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-11-25 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Cor, all, Cor Nouws schrieb: [...] Is it a fact, decided, that colourless desktop icons also mean that the current colour scheme for the OOo modules will be left? There has been a decision in the ESC back in March on that topic [1], but none of the relevant OOo projects has been informed

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-11-25 Thread Cor Nouws
Bernhard Dippold wrote (25-11-2009 20:38) Cor Nouws schrieb: [...] Is it a fact, decided, that colourless desktop icons also mean that the current colour scheme for the OOo modules will be left? There has been a decision in the ESC back in March on that topic [1], but none of the relevant

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-11-25 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Cor Nouws schrieb: [...] This is the basis for our discussion here - and the basis for the work of the i-team working on the topic (and still looking for marketing experts...) Many words to say 'no', Bernard ;-) And to invite people to contribute to a better solution... Best regards

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-11-25 Thread Cor Nouws
Bernhard Dippold wrote (25-11-2009 21:02) Cor Nouws schrieb: [...] This is the basis for our discussion here - and the basis for the work of the i-team working on the topic (and still looking for marketing experts...) Many words to say 'no', Bernard ;-) And to invite people to contribute

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-11-25 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Cor Nouws schrieb: Bernhard Dippold wrote (25-11-2009 21:02) Cor Nouws schrieb: [...] This is the basis for our discussion here - and the basis for the work of the i-team working on the topic (and still looking for marketing experts...) Many words to say 'no', Bernard ;-) And to invite

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-11-25 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi all, Just a few (more detailed) comments on the six points I mentioned yesterday: Bernhard Dippold schrieb: [...] At first there has to be a consensus on the goals to achieve. We have at least three different goals with these icons. A: ODF branding: Promote ODF by presence on the user's

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?

2009-11-24 Thread Juergen Schmidt
Thorsten Behrens wrote: Martin Hollmichel wrote: again from my point of view there is no need, simply use the icons as they are. As far as i know the icons were already suggested to OASIS to become the default icon. Maybe it will change who knows but then we should use the new ones, important

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo

2009-11-24 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Jürgen, all, this is exactly the discussion we need. Thanks to everybody for joining in. Of course it would have been better to discuss this topic before implementing the icons in the first product (SO 9.2), but it's time enough to find a way for OOo that is supported by the community.

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?

2009-11-23 Thread Juergen Schmidt
Lars Nooden wrote: Bernhard Dippold wrote: In my eyes these colors have a message we shouldn't give up without having thought about the positive and negative aspects of this change. Same with the product information in the icons. Many icon themes use one or two colors (not counting greyscale

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?

2009-11-23 Thread Michael Meeks
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 10:01 +0100, Juergen Schmidt wrote: Lars Nooden wrote: Many icon themes use one or two colors (not counting greyscale shading). Is there a convenient way to set up a mask so that distros and versions of distros can overlay their own colors? .. I am not sure if it

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?

2009-11-23 Thread Juergen Schmidt
Michael Meeks wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 10:01 +0100, Juergen Schmidt wrote: Lars Nooden wrote: Many icon themes use one or two colors (not counting greyscale shading). Is there a convenient way to set up a mask so that distros and versions of distros can overlay their own colors? .. I am

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?

2009-11-23 Thread Charles-H.Schulz
Le Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:01:28 +0100, Juergen Schmidt juergen.schm...@sun.com a écrit : Lars Nooden wrote: Bernhard Dippold wrote: In my eyes these colors have a message we shouldn't give up without having thought about the positive and negative aspects of this change. Same with the

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?

2009-11-23 Thread Lars Nooden
Juergen Schmidt wrote: Lars Nooden wrote: Bernhard Dippold wrote: In my eyes these colors have a message we shouldn't give up without having thought about the positive and negative aspects of this change. Same with the product information in the icons. Many icon themes use one or two

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?

2009-11-23 Thread Juergen Schmidt
Lars Nooden wrote: Juergen Schmidt wrote: Lars Nooden wrote: Bernhard Dippold wrote: In my eyes these colors have a message we shouldn't give up without having thought about the positive and negative aspects of this change. Same with the product information in the icons. Many icon themes

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?

2009-11-23 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Martin Hollmichel wrote: again from my point of view there is no need, simply use the icons as they are. As far as i know the icons were already suggested to OASIS to become the default icon. Maybe it will change who knows but then we should use the new ones, important is to use the default

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?

2009-11-22 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Jens, all, Jens Habermann schrieb: Hi! If the colors are not used anymore, we should think about recreating all marketing stuff using these colors ( Splash and PrOOoBox CD comes to my mind ). I am glad if I can be of any help. I'd rather see the colors still used than creating more or

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?

2009-11-22 Thread Lars Nooden
Bernhard Dippold wrote: In my eyes these colors have a message we shouldn't give up without having thought about the positive and negative aspects of this change. Same with the product information in the icons. Many icon themes use one or two colors (not counting greyscale shading). Is there

[marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?

2009-11-21 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi all, as you probably know, the OOo document icons are going to be replaced by icons representing the document type by greyscale graphics and a blue banner with ODF as reference to their affiliation to the ODF family [0]. This has been done in order to improve branding on ODF. As this

Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?

2009-11-21 Thread Jens Habermann
Hi! If the colors are not used anymore, we should think about recreating all marketing stuff using these colors ( Splash and PrOOoBox CD comes to my mind ). I am glad if I can be of any help. Regards Jens Am 21.11.2009 um 17:28 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: Hi all, as you probably know, the