Re: The Hostile Takeover of Maven

2009-04-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 23-Apr-09, at 11:19 PM, Daniel Le Berre wrote: Jason, The summary is perfectly correct. I would add that the author mentions too that your are friends, and the way the text is written is not offensive. Good thing you translated. From the title and the Google translated text I read it

Re: The Hostile Takeover of Maven

2009-04-23 Thread Christian Edward Gruber
Thanks, Daniel. I kind of felt I was missing a dimension there. Christian. On 24-Apr-09, at 02:19 , Daniel Le Berre wrote: Jason, The summary is perfectly correct. I would add that the author mentions too that your are friends, and the way the text is written is not offensive. (The autho

Re: The Hostile Takeover of Maven

2009-04-23 Thread Daniel Le Berre
Jason, The summary is perfectly correct. I would add that the author mentions too that your are friends, and the way the text is written is not offensive. (The author clearly does not agree with current maven development process, he would like it be more community driven, but it looks like

Re: [vote] release apache parent 6 and maven parent 12

2009-04-23 Thread Brett Porter
Can't access these since Nexus is not responding because SVN is down. My vote is on the ones in SVN, I'm going to trust they are the same. +1 On 21/04/2009, at 1:05 PM, Brian Fox wrote: Time to release the updated parent poms: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/apache-stagin

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Stephen Connolly
2009/4/24 Brian Fox > > > Mark Struberg wrote: > >> technically there is no git repo which is 'better' than the other. This >> hierarchy is an orga one. >> If you can pull from my repo and from Jasons, from whom will you pull your >> master mainly? Bet you will pull from Jasons. And I also bet al

Re: The Hostile Takeover of Maven

2009-04-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
Nicolas, I would like if you would provide your translation if you want to respond. I'm not in any particular rush so take your time, but you cannot post something like that and not expect me to respond. On 23-Apr-09, at 4:59 PM, Brian Fox wrote: FWIW, here might have been a good place to di

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 23-Apr-09, at 7:50 PM, Wendy Smoak wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: Maven was the first project at Apache to use JIRA and though there was a great deal of concern/noise about using JIRA it ultimately proved to be a decent system and now lots of projects

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 23-Apr-09, at 6:17 PM, Brett Porter wrote: There are points on either side of this for me. In summary, I'm in favour of greater exploration of using GIT, but not a wholesale switch today. On 24/04/2009, at 3:00 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: I'd be happy if everyone here wanted to use GIT

Re: [vote] release apache parent 6 and maven parent 12

2009-04-23 Thread Brian Fox
Actually this will have no effect. The default for passphrase in the plugin is... |${gpg.passphrase} |So no votes on this release? On 4/20/2009 11:12 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote: Honestly, I think the lines: ${gpg.passphrase} need to be taken out of the

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Wendy Smoak
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > Maven was the first project at Apache to use JIRA and though there was a > great deal of concern/noise about using JIRA it ultimately proved to be a > decent system and now lots of projects are using JIRA. > > I'm not particularly intereste

[jira] Subscription: Design & Best Practices

2009-04-23 Thread jira
Issue Subscription Filter: Design & Best Practices (28 issues) Subscriber: mavendevlist Key Summary MNG-2184Possible problem with @aggregator and forked lifecycles http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-2184 MNG-612 implement conflict resolution techniques

Re: svn commit: r767207 - /maven/components/branches/maven-2.1.x/pom.xml

2009-04-23 Thread Brett Porter
On 24/04/2009, at 12:01 PM, Brian Fox wrote: On 4/23/2009 9:57 PM, Brett Porter wrote: On 24/04/2009, at 9:55 AM, Brian Fox wrote: I agree, if we call it 2.2 because it moves to jdk 1.5 and we fix the other stuff, great. But lets keep the scope very small and limited so we can get the

Re: svn commit: r767207 - /maven/components/branches/maven-2.1.x/pom.xml

2009-04-23 Thread Brian Fox
On 4/23/2009 9:57 PM, Brett Porter wrote: On 24/04/2009, at 9:55 AM, Brian Fox wrote: I agree, if we call it 2.2 because it moves to jdk 1.5 and we fix the other stuff, great. But lets keep the scope very small and limited so we can get the regressions in 2.1.0 out quickly. I don't think

Re: svn commit: r767207 - /maven/components/branches/maven-2.1.x/pom.xml

2009-04-23 Thread Brett Porter
On 24/04/2009, at 9:55 AM, Brian Fox wrote: I agree, if we call it 2.2 because it moves to jdk 1.5 and we fix the other stuff, great. But lets keep the scope very small and limited so we can get the regressions in 2.1.0 out quickly. I don't think there's any harm in that. Version numbers a

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 23-Apr-09, at 5:33 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote: Personally, I'm +0 on the idea moving to git.I really don't care one way or the other if its svn or git. However, I'm -1 to anything that involves pulling the code outside of the ASF unless it would get the "blessing" from infrastructure a

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Brett Porter
There are points on either side of this for me. In summary, I'm in favour of greater exploration of using GIT, but not a wholesale switch today. On 24/04/2009, at 3:00 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: I'd be happy if everyone here wanted to use GIT but I do believe that I have a better chance of

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Brian Fox
2) On a more serious note: this is EXACTLY the issue. Jason is no more special than I am or anyone else on the Maven PMC. That is why there is a centralized storage for the repo. Anyone on the PMC (actually, any committer) MUST have access to entire repo for the project and be able to do

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Thu April 23 2009 5:46:50 pm Mark Struberg wrote: > technically there is no git repo which is 'better' than the other. > This hierarchy is an orga one. > > If you can pull from my repo and from Jasons, from whom will you pull your > master mainly? Bet you will pull from Jasons. And I also bet al

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Daniel Kulp
Personally, I'm +0 on the idea moving to git.I really don't care one way or the other if its svn or git. However, I'm -1 to anything that involves pulling the code outside of the ASF unless it would get the "blessing" from infrastructure and/or the board. If you want to invest some time/

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Ralph Goers
I have two concerns: 1. Is GIT firewall friendly? At work I could never get to the CVS repository because my employer's firewall pretty much only allows http traffic. GIT would need to support that. 2. Is this OK with infra? Last I checked all Apache software had to be under subversion. No

Re: The Hostile Takeover of Maven

2009-04-23 Thread Brian Fox
FWIW, here might have been a good place to discuss concerns to begin with, instead of on a blog. Brian Fox wrote: Isn't Nicolas around, maybe he'd like to offer a translation? Jason van Zyl wrote: Thanks if that seems like a reasonable translation I will respond. On 23-Apr-09, at 4:00 PM, Ch

Re: The Hostile Takeover of Maven

2009-04-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
If he likes, I'll wait for him. I was hoping someone like Vincent Massol, who is equally proficient in French and English, would translate. On 23-Apr-09, at 4:54 PM, Brian Fox wrote: Isn't Nicolas around, maybe he'd like to offer a translation? Jason van Zyl wrote: Thanks if that seems li

Re: MNG-3553 may not have a viable solution in Maven 2.x

2009-04-23 Thread Ralph Goers
First, I greatly appreciate you taking the time to look into this. I've been so busy working on another project that as much as I have intended to debug this, I just haven't had a chance. If the problem is as you say then I'm not sure it should be fixed. But the issue I heard reported was t

Re: svn commit: r767207 - /maven/components/branches/maven-2.1.x/pom.xml

2009-04-23 Thread Brian Fox
I agree, if we call it 2.2 because it moves to jdk 1.5 and we fix the other stuff, great. But lets keep the scope very small and limited so we can get the regressions in 2.1.0 out quickly. I'm afraid that relabeling it 2.2 would mean a pile on the bandwagon effect occurs and we'd be stuck churn

Re: The Hostile Takeover of Maven

2009-04-23 Thread Christian Edward Gruber
Get a second opinion, but it's more or less the gist. Christian On Apr 23, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: Thanks if that seems like a reasonable translation I will respond. On 23-Apr-09, at 4:00 PM, Christian Edward Gruber wrote: My french isn't perfect, but the article basically...

Re: The Hostile Takeover of Maven

2009-04-23 Thread Brian Fox
Isn't Nicolas around, maybe he'd like to offer a translation? Jason van Zyl wrote: Thanks if that seems like a reasonable translation I will respond. On 23-Apr-09, at 4:00 PM, Christian Edward Gruber wrote: My french isn't perfect, but the article basically... ...argues against you (Jason)

Re: The Hostile Takeover of Maven

2009-04-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
Thanks if that seems like a reasonable translation I will respond. On 23-Apr-09, at 4:00 PM, Christian Edward Gruber wrote: My french isn't perfect, but the article basically... ...argues against you (Jason) personally having the habit of imposing dramatic changes by presenting them as a

Re: svn commit: r767207 - /maven/components/branches/maven-2.1.x/pom.xml

2009-04-23 Thread Benjamin Bentmann
John Casey wrote: 1. leave MNG-4140 unfixed I admire your efforts on the core and my intention was surely not to hinder the progress you or anybody else makes, only to properly label it. 2. drag in something like jdom +jaxen +saxpath to do xpath search/replacement for MNG-4140 3. attempt t

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Brian Fox
Agreed 100%, it applies across the board. We have two hurdles, one easy, one not so easy: 1. fix the release plugin / scm provider. 2. convince infra to host a rw git repo. Tim O'Brien wrote: I think DVCS would benefit Maven doc. Someone (not a commiter) could clone the site, fix it, contribu

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Tim O'Brien
I think DVCS would benefit Maven doc. Someone (not a commiter) could clone the site, fix it, contribute it back without having to jump through the JIRA + patch + "convince a committer to pay attention" hoop. The main difference here is that Git makes it really easy to merge in changes and select

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Brian Fox
Mark Struberg wrote: technically there is no git repo which is 'better' than the other. This hierarchy is an orga one. If you can pull from my repo and from Jasons, from whom will you pull your master mainly? Bet you will pull from Jasons. And I also bet all contributors will try to get th

Re: The Hostile Takeover of Maven

2009-04-23 Thread Christian Edward Gruber
Damn... that's nicholas? Oh, I understand the GWT comment now. I remember that discussion. Christian. On Apr 23, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: Could someone who speaks French please translate this for me before I respond: http://blog.loof.fr/ I'm not a native French speaker so

Re: The Hostile Takeover of Maven

2009-04-23 Thread Christian Edward Gruber
My french isn't perfect, but the article basically... ...argues against you (Jason) personally having the habit of imposing dramatic changes by presenting them as a fait-acomplis. There's a bit of a bill of rights: We have the right to choose archiva or nexus (which he labels as Jason &

The Hostile Takeover of Maven

2009-04-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
Could someone who speaks French please translate this for me before I respond: http://blog.loof.fr/ I'm not a native French speaker so I won't speculate, but if someone would translate I would like to respond. Thanks, Jason -- Jason

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Mark Struberg
Hi Vincent! > http://git.apache.org/ > Using GIT in write mode sounds like a normal step. These are only git mirrors of our SVN and not intended to push to them but to use dcommit. So this is cool for quickly download/going offline with the whole project history but not enough for real collabo

Re: MNG-3553 may not have a viable solution in Maven 2.x

2009-04-23 Thread Arnaud HERITIER
yesA default-profil in my activeProfiles In this profil I have 2 repositories : - one for releases with the id central - one for snashots with the id snapshot Each repository is an archiva / nexus group Arnaud On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:56 PM, John Casey wrote: > was the settings-injected rep

Re: MNG-3553 may not have a viable solution in Maven 2.x

2009-04-23 Thread John Casey
was the settings-injected repository in a profile that was marked in ? Just trying to get an idea how to replicate. Arnaud HERITIER wrote: Hi John, Thanks to try to fix this. I have this issue but in my case I don't define any repository in my projects. I override the central definition i

Re: svn commit: r767207 - /maven/components/branches/maven-2.1.x/pom.xml

2009-04-23 Thread John Casey
I added that today, after Benjamin mentioned it. Arnaud HERITIER wrote: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-4143Actually it's scheduled for 2.1.1 Arnaud On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: Benjamin Bentmann wrote: John Casey wrote: Since we've already decided that 2.1

Re: svn commit: r767207 - /maven/components/branches/maven-2.1.x/pom.xml

2009-04-23 Thread John Casey
Dennis Lundberg wrote: Benjamin Bentmann wrote: John Casey wrote: I have no objection to move to 1.5, but we can't do it for a point release. The alternatives to moving to 1.5 for 2.1.1 are: 1. leave MNG-4140 unfixed 2. drag in something like jdom +jaxen +saxpath to do xpath search/repl

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Vincent Siveton
Hi, GIT is already proposed by infrastructure in read only mode http://git.apache.org/ Using GIT in write mode sounds like a normal step. Does Maven SCM support *fully* GIT? I think specially for some plugins like the release plugin Cheers, Vincent 2009/4/23 Jason van Zyl : > Hi, > > Maven wa

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Mark Struberg
technically there is no git repo which is 'better' than the other. This hierarchy is an orga one. If you can pull from my repo and from Jasons, from whom will you pull your master mainly? Bet you will pull from Jasons. And I also bet all contributors will try to get their changes being pulled

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Mark Struberg wrote: > > +1 for moving to git. > > Jukka already mirrors a lot of projets on GitHub and there is already a > git.apache.org domain too (not sure where this leads too). > > Jason is already convinced, but for all other sceptics: > Basically the loca

Re: svn commit: r767207 - /maven/components/branches/maven-2.1.x/pom.xml

2009-04-23 Thread Arnaud HERITIER
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-4143Actually it's scheduled for 2.1.1 Arnaud On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: > Benjamin Bentmann wrote: > > John Casey wrote: > > > >> Since we've already decided that 2.1.0 would be moving to Java 1.5 I > >> can't see the use in hangi

Re: svn commit: r767207 - /maven/components/branches/maven-2.1.x/pom.xml

2009-04-23 Thread Dennis Lundberg
Benjamin Bentmann wrote: > John Casey wrote: > >> Since we've already decided that 2.1.0 would be moving to Java 1.5 I >> can't see the use in hanging onto the 1.4 requirement > > Let me clarify that I'm fine with moving to Java 1.5 (hurray). My > concern was that this change is made between 2.1.

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Arnaud HERITIER
+0I never used GIT but I'm hearing a lot of good things about it and it is already used by many opensources projects. I would prefer to not have another drama with infra team if possible. Perhaps we could help them to set it up if necessary ? If you have tools for GIT on MacOS, do not hesitate to s

Re: MNG-3553 may not have a viable solution in Maven 2.x

2009-04-23 Thread Arnaud HERITIER
Hi John, Thanks to try to fix this. I have this issue but in my case I don't define any repository in my projects. I override the central definition in my user's settings to use our corporate repo. This method always works to build projects except when I'm using imports : Maven tries to downloa

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Brian Fox
On the release plugin I believe John Smart has that working. And having our release toolchain tested before switching is a completely reasonable criterion. That's my primary concern, that the tools support it, or we experiment first to find out _how_ they work. It seems like from the maven

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 23-Apr-09, at 11:13 AM, John Casey wrote: Sounds like an interesting idea, though it does bring up the question of what lives at the ASF if not the project source code. Having said that, I understand the reasons for using an external hosting service. In any case, I've used Git a little

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread John Casey
Sounds like an interesting idea, though it does bring up the question of what lives at the ASF if not the project source code. Having said that, I understand the reasons for using an external hosting service. In any case, I've used Git a little bit for utility projects and to check out other o

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
I would like to start it with Maven 3.x only because I would be willing to put in the effort to maintain it, find resources to maintain it and support users. I can't speak for everyone, but if we wanted to move everything to GIT I would be in favor of that. I think we basically decide whe

MNG-3553 may not have a viable solution in Maven 2.x

2009-04-23 Thread John Casey
Hi, I've been looking into MNG-3553 and the relevant code, and I'm starting to believe that we cannot solve the problem discussed in the issue without breaking other functionality. The basic problem stated in the issue is: Given: project A - packaging == 'pom' - has dependencies on X,Y,Z

AW: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Mark Struberg
+1 for moving to git. Jukka already mirrors a lot of projets on GitHub and there is already a git.apache.org domain too (not sure where this leads too). Jason is already convinced, but for all other sceptics: Basically the location of the repo is just wurscht! It doesn't make any difference, s

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Paul Gier
I'm fine with moving to Git. When you say it will start with Maven 3.x, what does that include? Will all the trunks switch over or just components/trunk to start with? Jason van Zyl wrote: Hi, Maven was the first project at Apache to use JIRA and though there was a great deal of concern/no

Re: Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Alin Dreghiciu
Excellent. I do not have a long history with Git but from the projects I used I'm always annoyed when I have to the projects I develop using SVN. So, if my vote counts anyway I'm +1. We started using it for OI4J and everyone getting accustom is loving it. Soon, I hope, all OPS4J projects will be on

Using GIT as the canonical repository for Maven 3.x

2009-04-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
Hi, Maven was the first project at Apache to use JIRA and though there was a great deal of concern/noise about using JIRA it ultimately proved to be a decent system and now lots of projects are using JIRA. I'm not particularly interested in mandating everything in Maven to use GIT but I w

Re: sql-maven-plugin execution problem with Integration-test

2009-04-23 Thread Karl Heinz Marbaise
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sql-maven-plugin execution problem with Integration-test

2009-04-23 Thread Karl Heinz Marbaise
Hi there, I have a large multi module project which is working well. Now i'm trying to enhance this with a things which is in relationship with the database... Ok i decided to take a look at the sql-maven-plugin to execute some SQL statements before an integration test is run (simply delete t