Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-10 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 10 Sep 07, at 9:11 AM 10 Sep 07, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On 9/10/07, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We definitely want to control how snippets are pulled in and used. I wouldn't turn on general XML includes as we'll end up with the mess we had in Maven 1.x. I must admit, that I

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-10 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On 9/10/07, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We definitely want to control how snippets are pulled in and used. I > wouldn't turn on general XML includes as we'll end up with the mess > we had in Maven 1.x. I must admit, that I can't follow you here. What to you mean by "the mess we had

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-10 Thread Grzegorz Kossakowski
Jason van Zyl pisze: > > On 10 Sep 07, at 8:51 AM 10 Sep 07, Grzegorz Kossakowski wrote: > >> Jochen Wiedmann pisze: >>> On 9/10/07, Grzegorz Kossakowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Your requirement is rather vague for me. >>> >>> Let's start with the most simple Filter: Extrapolation. An

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-10 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On 9/10/07, Grzegorz Kossakowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing. I have in mind selecting > some portion of > included XML snippet by applying XPointer/XPath query on it. > What do you mean by filtering here? That we would want to change the incl

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-10 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 10 Sep 07, at 8:51 AM 10 Sep 07, Grzegorz Kossakowski wrote: Jochen Wiedmann pisze: On 9/10/07, Grzegorz Kossakowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Your requirement is rather vague for me. Let's start with the most simple Filter: Extrapolation. And let's not forget, that Filtering is very u

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-10 Thread Grzegorz Kossakowski
Jochen Wiedmann pisze: > On 9/10/07, Grzegorz Kossakowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Your requirement is rather vague for me. > > Let's start with the most simple Filter: Extrapolation. And let's not > forget, that Filtering is very underdeveloped, compared to Ants > Filtering. I'm not sure

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-10 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On 9/10/07, Grzegorz Kossakowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your requirement is rather vague for me. Let's start with the most simple Filter: Extrapolation. And let's not forget, that Filtering is very underdeveloped, compared to Ants Filtering. -- Look, that's why there's rules, understand

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-10 Thread Grzegorz Kossakowski
Jochen Wiedmann pisze: > Because of this: > >>> - Powerful: Could be enhanced to do filtering or stuff like that. Your requirement is rather vague for me. Do you mean filtering of included XML? If so, XInclude already supports it in very powerful way - by using XPointer for this. -- Grzegorz K

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-10 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On 9/10/07, Grzegorz Kossakowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why not use existing solutions, then? I mean, XInclude standard that is > supported by XML parsers and > would not clutter Maven's code. Because of this: > > - Powerful: Could be enhanced to do filtering or stuff like that. -- Look

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-10 Thread Grzegorz Kossakowski
Jochen Wiedmann pisze: > > I'd basically like to use "snippets", or whatever you call them. However, if > you restrict them to a "plugin pack", then I'd consider them as half baken. > There are lots of other places where one could use them. For example, a user > on [EMAIL PROTECTED] has recently p

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-10 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
xml, and/or profile.xml. (At least I would hope, that there is "the code" for each of these ... :-) - Powerful: Could be enhanced to do filtering or stuff like that. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-poll--Need-for-plugin-packs---mixins-for-plugins-tf436650

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-04 Thread John Casey
Don't forget that successive versions of some plugins may break backward compatibility and other such bad practices. Locking everyone in a large organization down to one version of such a plugin could be very limiting, since these things have to be phased in. Also, I don't think we can pret

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-04 Thread John Casey
On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:53 PM, Brett Porter wrote: [ X] (A) Having a way to include a set of plugins in one small POM fragment would be a useful feature to have (if you have a use case other than the already stated "standard plugins", please specify) [ ] (B) Pasting a snippet in from the web

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-03 Thread Grzegorz Kossakowski
Andrew Williams pisze: > E) > Specifying a a list of plugin versions in a pom snippet (better than > plugin packs) is (as I see it) adding maintenance overhead that could > become intrusive in some organisations. > Why can we not just have a plugin (that maven suggests running if it > seems missing

RE: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-03 Thread Jörg Schaible
Wendy Smoak wrote on Monday, September 03, 2007 7:41 PM: > On 9/1/07, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Like the other poll, I'd like to hear from as many people as possible >> their opinion this topic (even if you just want to say '0' so we >> know where you stand). >> >> [ ] (A) Havin

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-03 Thread Brett Porter
On 04/09/2007, at 1:30 AM, Aaron Metzger wrote: 2007/9/2, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Like the other poll, I'd like to hear from as many people as possible their opinion this topic (even if you just want to say '0' so we know where you stand). [ ] (A) Having a way to include a set

RE: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-03 Thread LAMY Olivier
A -- Olivier -Message d'origine- De : Brett Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : dimanche 2 septembre 2007 04:54 À : Maven Developers List Objet : [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins Like the other poll, I'd like to hear from as many people as poss

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-03 Thread Lukas Theussl
(C) -Lukas Brett Porter wrote: Like the other poll, I'd like to hear from as many people as possible their opinion this topic (even if you just want to say '0' so we know where you stand). [ ] (A) Having a way to include a set of plugins in one small POM fragment would be a useful featur

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-03 Thread Arnaud HERITIER
A - rnaud On 03/09/07, Hervé BOUTEMY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > B > need to be able to override version of a plugin that is in a plugin pack, then > solve conflicts between different plugin packs > I think that what seems to be really cool in the first place will be more > difficult to maintain

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-03 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 9/1/07, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Like the other poll, I'd like to hear from as many people as possible > their opinion this topic (even if you just want to say '0' so we know > where you stand). > > [ ] (A) Having a way to include a set of plugins in one small POM > fragment wou

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-03 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
B need to be able to override version of a plugin that is in a plugin pack, then solve conflicts between different plugin packs I think that what seems to be really cool in the first place will be more difficult to maintain that it seems Hervé Le dimanche 2 septembre 2007, Brett Porter a écrit

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-03 Thread Aaron Metzger
2007/9/2, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Like the other poll, I'd like to hear from as many people as possible their opinion this topic (even if you just want to say '0' so we know where you stand). [ ] (A) Having a way to include a set of plugins in one small POM fragment would be a useful

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-03 Thread Jason Dillon
On Sep 2, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: What are the real requirements? They are: 1) An easy way to get a set of stable plugins that work together 2) To easily see what versions are contained in this set 3) To easily change or augment what is in this set The current mechanism + toolin

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-03 Thread Andrew Williams
E) Specifying a a list of plugin versions in a pom snippet (better than plugin packs) is (as I see it) adding maintenance overhead that could become intrusive in some organisations. Why can we not just have a plugin (that maven suggests running if it seems missing version numbers) that updat

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-02 Thread Wayne Fay
> [ ] (A) Having a way to include a set of plugins in one small POM > [ ] (B) Pasting a snippet in from the web site is sufficient > [X] (D) Undecided I personally don't mind pasting a snippet and I think this is a good idea no matter what happens -- perhaps it could be included in the release not

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-02 Thread Jason van Zyl
What are the real requirements? They are: 1) An easy way to get a set of stable plugins that work together 2) To easily see what versions are contained in this set 3) To easily change or augment what is in this set The current mechanism + toolings works. I know what's going to happen with plu

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-02 Thread Raphaël Piéroni
A Raphaël 2007/9/2, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Like the other poll, I'd like to hear from as many people as possible > their opinion this topic (even if you just want to say '0' so we know > where you stand). > > [ ] (A) Having a way to include a set of plugins in one small POM > fragmen

Re: [poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-02 Thread Stephen Connolly
A Brett Porter wrote: Like the other poll, I'd like to hear from as many people as possible their opinion this topic (even if you just want to say '0' so we know where you stand). [ ] (A) Having a way to include a set of plugins in one small POM fragment would be a useful feature to have (

[poll] Need for plugin packs / mixins for plugins

2007-09-01 Thread Brett Porter
Like the other poll, I'd like to hear from as many people as possible their opinion this topic (even if you just want to say '0' so we know where you stand). [ ] (A) Having a way to include a set of plugins in one small POM fragment would be a useful feature to have (if you have a use case