Re: [OSM-dev] Ruby developers in Amsterdam

2009-01-15 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Where the raw SQL approach scores is in the read operations, which are > incredibly simple, easy-to-understand queries. In Potlatch these are > whichways and getway, in the XML API it'd be the /map call. The disadvantage > of using Rails

Re: [OSM-dev] Ruby developers in Amsterdam

2009-01-13 Thread Grant Slater
Martijn van Exel wrote: > Is there another source explaining the architecture of the Rails port? > Preferably with a > diagram or such. > Hardware wise... 1x Database Server (MySQL) 3x Dedicated Rails Application Servers (Ruby 1.8.6, Rails 2.0.x) 1x Frontend Web Server (lighttpd

Re: [OSM-dev] Ruby developers in Amsterdam

2009-01-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Matt Amos wrote: > in the case of quadtile, i think the extra complexity was > worthwhile. in the case of SQL in the amf_controller, i'm not > so sure. this is just my opinion. Sure. We can even do more nuanced than that, if you like. :) In my opinion - and again, just that - the clarity of Ra

Re: [OSM-dev] Ruby developers in Amsterdam

2009-01-13 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Matt Amos wrote: >> in which case we're trading development effort for performance. >> i think we're operating in areas constrained by the lack of >> available developers, so making the barrier to entry higher is a >> tough decision. > >

Re: [OSM-dev] Ruby developers in Amsterdam

2009-01-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Matt Amos wrote: > in which case we're trading development effort for performance. > i think we're operating in areas constrained by the lack of > available developers, so making the barrier to entry higher is a > tough decision. (Speaking seriously for once...) Kind of, but it's not a simple

Re: [OSM-dev] Ruby developers in Amsterdam

2009-01-13 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Matt Amos wrote: >> >> what do you see as the benefits of an old-fashioned compiled language >> (presumably you mean C/C++/Java) over just plain ruby? just because >> we're using ruby doesn't mean we have to use rails+activerecord :-) > > I t

Re: [OSM-dev] Ruby developers in Amsterdam

2009-01-13 Thread Martijn van Exel
Op 13 jan 2009, om 13:17 heeft Frederik Ramm het volgende geschreven: > Martijn, > >> The goal of the talk will be to interest the (Amsterdam) Ruby >> community in OSM in general, but also in becoming involved in OSM >> Rails development. Is that helpful? > > My personal take on this is that

Re: [OSM-dev] Ruby developers in Amsterdam

2009-01-13 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Matt Amos wrote: >> just because we're using ruby doesn't mean we have to use >> rails+activerecord :-) > > You mean I can put all the SQL back in amf_controller and get it running at > a reasonable speed again? ;) not yet :-) if, in th

Re: [OSM-dev] Ruby developers in Amsterdam

2009-01-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Matt Amos wrote: > what do you see as the benefits of an old-fashioned compiled language > (presumably you mean C/C++/Java) over just plain ruby? just because > we're using ruby doesn't mean we have to use rails+activerecord :-) I think nothing beats C/C++ (not so sure about Java) when it com

Re: [OSM-dev] Ruby developers in Amsterdam

2009-01-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Matt Amos wrote: > just because we're using ruby doesn't mean we have to use > rails+activerecord :-) You mean I can put all the SQL back in amf_controller and get it running at a reasonable speed again? ;) cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Ruby-developers-

Re: [OSM-dev] Ruby developers in Amsterdam

2009-01-13 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > One is talking to users - letting them register, write blogs, write > messages (and if the trend continues, one day they'll be able to upload > images, have multi-page user profiles and forums and a full-blown E-Mail > system all within OSM)

Re: [OSM-dev] Ruby developers in Amsterdam

2009-01-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Martijn, > The goal of the talk will be to interest the (Amsterdam) Ruby > community in OSM in general, but also in becoming involved in OSM > Rails development. Is that helpful? My personal take on this is that we actually have two, very different, kinds of "web interface", or better "http

[OSM-dev] Ruby developers in Amsterdam

2009-01-13 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi dev, I've been given the opportunity to give a talk during a gathering of Ruby developers in Amsterdam[1] next month. I want to present them with a general high level introduction of OSM and then make the link to Ruby by explaining a bit about the Rails part of the OSM infrastructure. Pro