Sandbox

2008-01-16 Thread Nils-Helge Garli Hegvik
I've started playing with JSR286 portlet support in Struts 2. Is the sandbox an appropriate place to put this code (probably a new plugin), or is the sandbox reserved for other purposes? Nils-H - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Sandbox

2008-01-16 Thread Antonio Petrelli
2008/1/16, Nils-Helge Garli Hegvik [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've started playing with JSR286 portlet support in Struts 2. Is the sandbox an appropriate place to put this code (probably a new plugin), or is the sandbox reserved for other purposes? AFAIK the sandbox is made for playing :-)

Re: Sandbox

2008-01-16 Thread Don Brown
On 1/16/08, Antonio Petrelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/1/16, Nils-Helge Garli Hegvik [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've started playing with JSR286 portlet support in Struts 2. Is the sandbox an appropriate place to put this code (probably a new plugin), or is the sandbox reserved for other

Re: Sandbox

2008-01-16 Thread Ted Husted
On Jan 16, 2008 5:25 AM, Antonio Petrelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/1/16, Nils-Helge Garli Hegvik [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've started playing with JSR286 portlet support in Struts 2. Is the sandbox an appropriate place to put this code (probably a new plugin), or is the sandbox reserved

Re: Sandbox

2008-01-16 Thread Antonio Petrelli
Just a note Nils, If you are working in Sandbox, please open JIRA issues under the SB project: https://issues.apache.org/struts/browse/SB with the appropriate component (probably you have to create one). This does not include the issue that you have already created, that is generic enough to stay

Re: Sandbox

2008-01-16 Thread Nils-Helge Garli Hegvik
Thanks for the notice. I'll remember that. Nils-H On Jan 16, 2008 3:05 PM, Antonio Petrelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a note Nils, If you are working in Sandbox, please open JIRA issues under the SB project: https://issues.apache.org/struts/browse/SB with the appropriate component

Re: [OSS Bamboo] Struts 2 SVN - Main Build (Java 6) build 314 has FAILED (0 tests failed). Change made by Nils-Helge Garli Hegvik

2008-01-16 Thread Ted Husted
For whatever reason, I can succesfully buid the head ocally. I'll apply some patches elsewhere in the codebase to my working copy, but hold off on any commit until Bamboo is a happy camper. On Jan 16, 2008 5:20 AM, Atlassian Open Source Bamboo Integration Server [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The

Re: [OSS Bamboo] Struts 2 SVN - Main Build (Java 6) build 314 has FAILED (0 tests failed). Change made by Nils-Helge Garli Hegvik

2008-01-16 Thread Ted Husted
On Jan 16, 2008 9:38 AM, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For whatever reason, I can succesfully buid the head ocally. This wasn't some kind of a joke. I was typing with one hand unsuccessfully while eating an apple. :) - To

Re: [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution

2008-01-16 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Jan 16, 2008 6:24 AM, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Cooper wrote: That's a fair question, but I have an answer for it. Of course you do. If you didn't, I'd think you'd gone on vacation or something. ;-) :) So you're saying that if a non-committer thinks a

Re: [OSS Bamboo] Struts 2 SVN - Main Build (Java 6) build 314 has FAILED (0 tests failed). Change made by Nils-Helge Garli Hegvik

2008-01-16 Thread Nils-Helge Garli Hegvik
I'm not sure what caused the error. The commit shouldn't have caused any problems. Is it Bamboo hiccups? Nils-H On Jan 16, 2008 3:39 PM, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 9:38 AM, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For whatever reason, I can succesfully buid the head

Re: [OSS Bamboo] Struts 2 SVN - Main Build (Java 6) build 314 has FAILED (0 tests failed). Change made by Nils-Helge Garli Hegvik

2008-01-16 Thread Ted Husted
Dunno. It builds for me. I have some POM changes to commit. I'll go ahead and commit those, so that we can see what happens. On Jan 16, 2008 10:07 AM, Nils-Helge Garli Hegvik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what caused the error. The commit shouldn't have caused any problems. Is it Bamboo

Re: Spring dependancies

2008-01-16 Thread Brian Pontarelli
I have needed them to use the StrutsTestCase as a parent class and not that it was so bad, but my application doesn't have any dependencies on Spring and I had to go add them to unit test my application. It seems rather silly to pull in dependencies for a class or two. I would assume we could

Re: [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution

2008-01-16 Thread Nathan Bubna
On Jan 16, 2008 6:28 AM, Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 6:24 AM, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Cooper wrote: That's a fair question, but I have an answer for it. Of course you do. If you didn't, I'd think you'd gone on vacation or

Re: [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution

2008-01-16 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Niall Pemberton wrote: For the record I agree with Martin and in my book votes-are-votes whoever they come from. Well, I'm reading the bylaws right now: http://struts.apache.org/dev/bylaws.html ...and a couple of things stand out to me: (1) It is specifically stated that the act of voting

Re: Release Management (was Re: [struts-dev] [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution)

2008-01-16 Thread Ted Husted
On Jan 16, 2008 12:23 AM, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a fair question, but I have an answer for it. Put simply, I feel that anyone officially made a member of a project team has accepted a greater level of responsibility than someone in the larger user community. A

Re: Release Management (was Re: [struts-dev] [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution)

2008-01-16 Thread James Mitchell
Ted, I am guilty as charged of going heads down for a while. However, I am back for at least the next year. Though I won't be able to participate in user and dev discussions due to time. I'm on the lists, but not reading everything unless it stands out. If you want my input, please holla at

Re: Release Management (was Re: [struts-dev] [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution)

2008-01-16 Thread Ted Husted
On Jan 16, 2008 10:47 AM, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (1) If as you say Niall votes are votes, then that SHOULD mean that non-binding voters can veto a release, but the bylaws say differently: 3 binding +1 votes and no binding vetos is the benchmark to whether a action passes or

Re: [OSS Bamboo] Struts 2 SVN - Main Build (Java 6) build 314 has FAILED (0 tests failed). Change made by Nils-Helge Garli Hegvik

2008-01-16 Thread Ted Husted
It's passing now, so I guess it was just a hiccup. On Jan 16, 2008 10:16 AM, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dunno. It builds for me. I have some POM changes to commit. I'll go ahead and commit those, so that we can see what happens. On Jan 16, 2008 10:07 AM, Nils-Helge Garli Hegvik

Re: Release Management (was Re: [struts-dev] [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution)

2008-01-16 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Ted Husted wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 10:47 AM, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (1) If as you say Niall votes are votes, then that SHOULD mean that non-binding voters can veto a release, but the bylaws say differently: 3 binding +1 votes and no binding vetos is the benchmark to whether a

Re: Release Management (was Re: [struts-dev] [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution)

2008-01-16 Thread Dave Newton
--- Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Husted wrote: Since everyone here is a volunteer, there's no way to enforce an obligation, and the ASF guidelines remind us of this. A vote is an opinion, not a commitment. Didn't you effectively say the opposite just yesterday? :

Re: Release Management (was Re: [struts-dev] [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution)

2008-01-16 Thread Ted Husted
On Jan 16, 2008 11:42 AM, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That may be so in practice Ted, but the bylaws say differently: An action requiring consensus approval must receive at least 3 binding +1 votes and no binding vetos. A release is not an action that requires consensus

Re: Release Management (was Re: [struts-dev] [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution)

2008-01-16 Thread Philip Luppens
On Jan 16, 2008 5:10 PM, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 12:23 AM, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a fair question, but I have an answer for it. Put simply, I feel that anyone officially made a member of a project team has accepted a greater level of

Re: Release Management (was Re: [struts-dev] [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution)

2008-01-16 Thread Matt Raible
On Jan 16, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Ted Husted wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 12:23 AM, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a fair question, but I have an answer for it. Put simply, I feel that anyone officially made a member of a project team has accepted a greater level of responsibility

Re: Release Management (was Re: [struts-dev] [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution)

2008-01-16 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Ted Husted wrote: A release is not an action that requires consensus approval. It's a majority action. Look farther down under Release Plan and Release Grade. Ah your right! Ok, in that case: An action requiring majority approval must receive at least 3 binding +1 votes and more +1 votes

Re: Release Management (was Re: [struts-dev] [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution)

2008-01-16 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Dave Newton wrote: --- Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Husted wrote: Since everyone here is a volunteer, there's no way to enforce an obligation, and the ASF guidelines remind us of this. A vote is an opinion, not a commitment. Didn't you effectively say the opposite just

Re: Release Management (was Re: [struts-dev] [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution)

2008-01-16 Thread Antonio Petrelli
2008/1/16, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As a group, we really suck at letting each other know that we won't be around for a while. Ted, we are not a group, we are a community. In a group there is a chief, there is a plan, and so on. Most of us (me included) participate in the spare time. For

Re: Release Management (was Re: [struts-dev] [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution)

2008-01-16 Thread Dave Newton
One thing we could do is to use a section of the wiki (is the export for distribution controlled by... top-level page, or...?) is to provide some info about expected availability *when such information is available*. For example, I know that for the next month that I'll be able to work a tiny bit

Mailing list archive

2008-01-16 Thread Dave Newton
Is there an easy way to get the entire struts-user mailing list archive, potentially broken up by dates? (It's for research.) d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Release Management (was Re: [struts-dev] [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution)

2008-01-16 Thread Paul Benedict
Ted, I think you're mixing a vote on quality with a vote on support. A +1 should mean only of those things. If you really want to find out who intends to support the release, hold another vote on that. For me, when I give a +1, it's to determine software quality -- not my involvement. My vote is

Re: Mailing list archive

2008-01-16 Thread Ian Roughley
MarkMail baby http://struts.markmail.org/ -- Ian Roughley From Down Around, Inc. Consulting * Training / Mentoring * Agile Process * Open Source web: http://www.fdar.com - email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave Newton wrote: Is there an easy way to get the entire struts-user mailing list

[OT] Re: Mailing list archive

2008-01-16 Thread Dave Newton
--- Ian Roughley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MarkMail baby http://struts.markmail.org/ I didn't see an immediately obvious way to get an archive; is there one? I really need a large corpus and I'd prefer to get it in some sort of archive rather than GETting everything. Thanks, Dave

Re: [OT] Re: Mailing list archive

2008-01-16 Thread Wendy Smoak
On Jan 16, 2008 1:44 PM, Dave Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't see an immediately obvious way to get an archive; is there one? I really need a large corpus and I'd prefer to get it in some sort of archive rather than GETting everything. Start here:

Re: [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution

2008-01-16 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Jan 16, 2008 3:47 PM, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Niall Pemberton wrote: For the record I agree with Martin and in my book votes-are-votes whoever they come from. Well, I'm reading the bylaws right now: Yeah and missing the wood for the trees. Vetos need justification

Re: [OT] Re: Mailing list archive

2008-01-16 Thread Dave Newton
Perfect; thanks. d. --- Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 1:44 PM, Dave Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't see an immediately obvious way to get an archive; is there one? I really need a large corpus and I'd prefer to get it in some sort of archive rather

Re: [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution

2008-01-16 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Niall Pemberton wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 3:47 PM, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Niall Pemberton wrote: For the record I agree with Martin and in my book votes-are-votes whoever they come from. Well, I'm reading the bylaws right now: Yeah and missing the wood for the trees. Not

Re: [VOTE] Should voting +1 on a release imply that the vote intends to help support the release?

2008-01-16 Thread Ted Husted
On Jan 16, 2008 12:19 AM, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why not start a thread about who's planning / intending / feeling [morally] obligated / promising to support the product and help apply patches, and get an answer to you real question? *

Re: Release Management (was Re: [struts-dev] [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution)

2008-01-16 Thread Ted Husted
On Jan 16, 2008 4:42 PM, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I don't understand is why there's any hesitation to get the bylaws inline with reality, There's no hesitation. Before acting, some of us just like to give others a chance to express their own opinions. -Ted.

Re: Release Management (was Re: [struts-dev] [S2] Libraries in JDK 1.4 distribution)

2008-01-16 Thread Ted Husted
On Jan 16, 2008 2:14 PM, Antonio Petrelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for being rude. No offense taken. Like all ASF projects, Apache Struts is modeled after the original Apache HTTPD Group. In this sense, it is like a group in an operating system. Everyone in the group has the same