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On 05/02/13 10:19, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 02/05/2013 05:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
, but since you started it: OpenSUSE is doing just fine doing
exactly what I suggest (making people
On 02/05/2013 07:40 AM, Michael Scherer wrote:
Le mardi 05 février 2013 à 06:43 +0100, Ralf Corsepius a écrit :
I think you are putting too much emphasize on first-timers and seem to
be forgetting the Linux distro switcher-users. For them, easily
finding the DE they know from their so-far used
On 02/05/2013 09:24 AM, Jef Spaleta wrote:
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
Absolutely no.
My points are:
* The Gnome3-suite will never fit everybody, i.e. trying to push/force it
onto all users will never work and is not helpful to the Fedora
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 08:51:47PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
That would be the SUSE that along with Mandriva got completely panned
when Ubuntu showed up, then?
The last numbers I had showed that the openSUSE user base is about the
same size as the Fedora user base. (That was about two years
On 02/05/2013 10:06 AM, Matej Cepl wrote:
On 2013-02-05, 06:19 GMT, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Reality is, when mentioning Fedora to Linux users, I am having
difficulties to not get laughed at. Freaks'/nerds' distro, Ubuntu
is much easier, Fedora lacks s much, Way too unstable, Way
too short
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 11:12 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
You never heard sentences like:
* What you can cope with Fedora? Is the GUI still this unusable beta crap?
I did (Usually from Ubuntu users), and am not happy having to hear this.
You never heard Ubuntu users pondering a switch to
Good people walk balanced step towards the goal. Others, without
knowing, dance around them contemporary dances. (Franz Kafka)
I wouldn't be worried that Fedora is not cool. Actually, thinking about
it, that's the best part of Fedora.
Absolutely d'accord ... But why have this kool
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
On 02/05/2013 10:06 AM, Matej Cepl wrote:
On 2013-02-05, 06:19 GMT, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Reality is, when mentioning Fedora to Linux users, I am having
difficulties to not get laughed at. Freaks'/nerds' distro,
- Original Message -
From: Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de
To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 12:27:35 PM
Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop
On 02/05/2013 10:06 AM, Matej Cepl wrote:
On 2013-02-05, 06:19 GMT, Ralf
Hi,
On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:01:49 +0800
Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 11:12 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Sigh, let me try again: The Fedora project is pushing away Fedora
users from Fedora, because Fedora/RH have missed that it's new
DE (Gnome3) is
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Jef Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de
wrote:
I disagree. Fedora's lack of popularity is largely thanks to these
issues.
In this context, I feel the Cinnamon request rsp. the give users a
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 11:27:10PM +0100, Martin Sourada wrote:
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:34:18 +0100
Jan Kratochvil wrote:
Still I believe it is probably true as I doubt Fedora QA tests
compatibility with old hosts.
Fedora QA AFAIK tests on their own hardware only + virtual machines. I
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 11:18 +0100, Michael Schroeder wrote:
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 08:51:47PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
That would be the SUSE that along with Mandriva got completely panned
when Ubuntu showed up, then?
The last numbers I had showed that the openSUSE user base is about
On 02/04/2013 09:49 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
The user should also be informed that the choice is not final, and the
DE can be switched after the installation via package manager.
Does the current webpage indicate this somewhere? I could not see it.
What's worse is that it's harder than it
Hi
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
What's worse is that it's harder than it used to be to change the
desktop---desktop style is no longer a login-time selection.
It certainly is. Every login manager offers that option
Rahul
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On 05/02/13 16:58, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
What's worse is that it's harder than it used to be to change the
desktop---desktop style is no longer a login-time selection. In fact, I
am not sure what is the recommended method nowadays--- groupinstall KDE
+ groupremove Gnome? but this can't be
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 17:17 +, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 05/02/13 16:58, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
What's worse is that it's harder than it used to be to change the
desktop---desktop style is no longer a login-time selection. In fact, I
am not sure what is the recommended method nowadays---
There is a current poll at fedora forum.
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=284463
The winner is...
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Am 05.02.2013 19:49, schrieb Rave it: There is a current poll at fedora forum.
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=284463
pff look at the total count
56 users said they use GNOME3
so what..
and even if the count would be larger, it says nothing about how satisfied
they
On 2013-02-05 20:06, Reindl Harald wrote:
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what makes me rellay angry (as one who never used and will use GNOME
and i knew GNOME 1.0 and KDE 1.0 as well where most users of today not
heard about linux at all) is that the GNOME developers did NOT learn
ANYTHING by the KDE4.0 disaster and
On 5 February 2013 20:10, Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote:
I wouldn't say Fedora follows blindly but rather chooses an upstream from
some alternatives (their ability to handle feedback from us beeing one ot
the criterias).
Gnome has been the default, unless I'm misremebering since
On 02/05/2013 09:31 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 5 February 2013 20:10, Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote:
I wouldn't say Fedora follows blindly but rather chooses an upstream from
some alternatives (their ability to handle feedback from us beeing one ot
the criterias).
Gnome has been the
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
On 02/05/2013 09:31 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 5 February 2013 20:10, Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote:
I wouldn't say Fedora follows blindly but rather chooses an upstream
from
some alternatives (their ability
On 05/02/13 12:09 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
In the Gnome2 days you had choices between functionally similar DEs.
Times have changed ... Gnome has been forked multiply (Gnome3, MATE,
Cinammon), xfce/enlightenment are back.
Gnome 3 is still Gnome. Both MATE and Cinnamon which came years after
On 2013-02-05 21:46, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 02/05/2013 09:31 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 5 February 2013 20:10, Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote:
I wouldn't say Fedora follows blindly but rather chooses an
upstream from
some alternatives (their ability to handle feedback from us beeing
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Luya Tshimbalanga l...@fedoraproject.orgwrote:
On 05/02/13 12:09 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
In the Gnome2 days you had choices between functionally similar DEs.
Times have changed ... Gnome has been forked multiply (Gnome3, MATE,
Cinammon), xfce/enlightenment
Message: 10
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 13:21:03 -0800
From: Luya Tshimbalanga l...@fedoraproject.org
To: Development discussions related to Fedora
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop
Message-ID: 511177bf.1020...@fedoraproject.org
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 08:34:03 +0100
Kevin Kofler wrote:
I wrote:
Sandro Mani wrote:
Can't we simply re-organize the fedoraproject website in such way
that the download button points to something similar to the
current More options page, maybe with a small description for
each desktop
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 06:36:23 +0100
Kevin Kofler wrote:
Eric Smith wrote:
On 01/28/2013 08:47 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
I think switching the desktop that has been our default for over 10
years and 18 releases requires just a bit more research and reason
than that. ~m
I don't
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.atwrote:
Matthias Clasen wrote:
- Cinnamon started out as 'using GNOME components', but it is [now] a
full
fork of mutter, gnome-shell and nautilus, at least, and bug-fixes are not
going either way...
Those are
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:16:58 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote:
Big +1. What will an unsuspecting user think when he downloads, burns
and tries Fedora on 32bit machine? That it's broken,
From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines
because nobody tests the bleeding edge
On 02/04/2013 06:28 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
I love GNOME 3 and detest KDE 4. I've tried MATE and Cinnamon on both
Linux Mint and Fedora and don't really see the point of either of them
as long as GNOME 3 offers fallback mode.
Fallback mode is going away in F19,
On 02/04/2013 02:42 PM, Jan Kratochvil wrote:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:16:58 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote:
Big +1. What will an unsuspecting user think when he downloads, burns
and tries Fedora on 32bit machine? That it's broken,
From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:23:45 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 02/04/2013 02:42 PM, Jan Kratochvil wrote:
From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines
because nobody tests the bleeding edge Fedora kernels on such obsolete
hardware.
Could you provide more
Le lundi 04 févr. 2013 à 14:42:35 (+0100), Jan Kratochvil a écrit :
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:16:58 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote:
Big +1. What will an unsuspecting user think when he downloads, burns
and tries Fedora on 32bit machine? That it's broken,
From what I have reports even Fedora
From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines
because nobody tests the bleeding edge Fedora kernels on such obsolete
hardware.
Could you provide more details? I have Fedora 18 running on several
32bit machines and am wondering what you are referring to.
From
On 02/04/2013 05:47 PM, Kévin Raymond wrote:
From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines
because nobody tests the bleeding edge Fedora kernels on such obsolete
hardware.
Could you provide more details? I have Fedora 18 running on several
32bit machines and am
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:34:18 +0100
Jan Kratochvil wrote:
Still I believe it is probably true as I doubt Fedora QA tests
compatibility with old hosts.
Fedora QA AFAIK tests on their own hardware only + virtual machines. I
don't know about kernel upstream QA/devs though.
I'm running F18 on a
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 06:56 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Adam Williamson wrote:
2. Can't we just not have a default?
Not really. Others have touched on this, but the websites team really
wants the simplicity of a straightforward 'Download' link that gets you
a live image, and that pretty
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 18:19 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 02/04/2013 05:47 PM, Kévin Raymond wrote:
From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such
machines
because nobody tests the bleeding edge Fedora kernels on such obsolete
hardware.
Could you provide more
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 23:27 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote:
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:34:18 +0100
Jan Kratochvil wrote:
Still I believe it is probably true as I doubt Fedora QA tests
compatibility with old hosts.
Fedora QA AFAIK tests on their own hardware only + virtual machines. I
don't
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
You're a new Linux user, you go to our download page, and instead of a
simple big green Download button, it starts asking you questions about
what 'desktop environment' you want?
As I said earlier in this thread, and as the Fedora Board
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 20:14 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
You're a new Linux user, you go to our download page, and instead of a
simple big green Download button, it starts asking you questions about
what 'desktop environment' you want?
- Original Message -
From: Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com
To: Development discussions related to Fedora
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 6:53:20 PM
Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 06:56 +0100
Adam Williamson wrote:
...and forcing a choice - possibly between several things they are not
familiar with either in detail or in nature - is equally wrong for many
people. Probably *more* people. Lots of people don't really care what
desktop they get, and lots of people don't know what a
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 20:14 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
You're a new Linux user, you go to our download page, and instead of a
simple big green Download button, it starts asking
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 21:49 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
Honestly, what kind of benefit to the community do you expect from a
user who gets confused just by looking at a couple nice screenshots
and reading some brief explanation? Have you ever met such a person
(incapable of understanding two
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 19:36 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 21:49 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
Honestly, what kind of benefit to the community do you expect from a
user who gets confused just by looking at a couple nice screenshots
and reading some brief explanation?
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 20:35 -0500, Jon VanAlten wrote:
tl'dr: Please leave the straw man new users won't be able to
decide argument at the door, there's a way around it if we can
think about the *best* way to do it, rather than the *worst*.
It's not really a straw man, though. Just about
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Adam Williamson wrote:
...and forcing a choice - possibly between several things they are not
familiar with either in detail or in nature - is equally wrong for many
people. Probably *more* people. Lots of people don't really care what
I decided to check out Fedora again after a few years of using Kubuntu
after reading about the MySQL/MariaDB discussion. As a long time KDE
and Mac OS user I hope my first experience with gnome-shell will help
your discussion.
After getting Fedora installed and getting to the basic desktop I
On 02/05/2013 04:36 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 21:49 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
Honestly, what kind of benefit to the community do you expect from a
user who gets confused just by looking at a couple nice screenshots
and reading some brief explanation? Have you ever met
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 20:35 -0500, Jon VanAlten wrote:
tl'dr: Please leave the straw man new users won't be able to
decide argument at the door, there's a way around it if we can
think about the *best* way to do it, rather than the
On 02/05/2013 05:37 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 20:35 -0500, Jon VanAlten wrote:
tl'dr: Please leave the straw man new users won't be able to
decide argument at the door, there's a way around it if we can
think about the *best* way to do it, rather than the *worst*.
It's
On 02/05/2013 05:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
, but since you started it: OpenSUSE is doing just fine
doing exactly what I suggest (making people actually pick their download).
Their download button actually points to a selector, not
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 07:19 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 02/05/2013 05:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
, but since you started it: OpenSUSE is doing just fine
doing exactly what I suggest (making people actually pick their download).
On 02/05/2013 07:42 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 07:19 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 02/05/2013 05:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
, but since you started it: OpenSUSE is doing just fine
doing exactly what I suggest
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
I disagree. Fedora's lack of popularity is largely thanks to these issues.
In this context, I feel the Cinnamon request rsp. the give users a choice
on DEs attempts are part of an attempt to escape the at least one of
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
On 02/05/2013 07:42 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 07:19 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 02/05/2013 05:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
, but
Le mardi 05 février 2013 à 06:43 +0100, Ralf Corsepius a écrit :
I think you are putting too much emphasize on first-timers and seem to
be forgetting the Linux distro switcher-users. For them, easily
finding the DE they know from their so-far used distro and easily
switching between
Le lundi 04 février 2013 à 20:35 -0500, Jon VanAlten a écrit :
I don't have a horse in the default desktop race, being one of
those weirdo tiling window manager users, which is possibly the
exact reason why the idea of not having a default appeals to me.
Maybe, if your objection is that the
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 04:25:05AM -0800, Dan Mashal wrote:
I'm sure QA, releng, docs, etc will go with what the community decides.
Lets have a poll. A very public one.
On the main website. Not somebody's blog. And let's
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 04:25:05AM -0800, Dan Mashal wrote:
I'm sure QA, releng, docs, etc will go with what the community decides.
Lets have a poll. A very public one.
On the main website. Not somebody's blog. And let's
Am 03.02.2013 17:50, schrieb M. Edward (Ed) Borasky:
Fedora used to have Smolt and there are tools to figure out what
packages people use. There's no reason Fedora *can't* be data driven,
but there's a whole lot of business process stuff you'd need to
commit to for it to work without wasting
Hi
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
data like from smolt are useless!
i maintain around 40 fedora-setups which are never touching
any fedora-machine because of internal repos and it is countless
how many machines are often installed with one ISO download
Smolt
you believe someone starts smolt manually on a clone
to raise up any statistics? not really!
fact is you have NO NUMBERS at all for opensource
That is not true. We have some numbers. They are not 100% accurate and we
never claim it will be. You are misleading users by talking about ISO
Am 03.02.2013 19:18, schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
Hi
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
data like from smolt are useless!
i maintain around 40 fedora-setups which are never touching
any fedora-machine because of internal repos and it is countless
how
On Sun, 2013-02-03 at 17:53 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 03.02.2013 17:50, schrieb M. Edward (Ed) Borasky:
Fedora used to have Smolt and there are tools to figure out what
packages people use. There's no reason Fedora *can't* be data driven,
but there's a whole lot of business process
Am 03.02.2013 20:22, schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon:
On Sun, 2013-02-03 at 17:53 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 03.02.2013 17:50, schrieb M. Edward (Ed) Borasky:
Fedora used to have Smolt and there are tools to figure out what
packages people use. There's no reason Fedora *can't* be data
Hi
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
useful to count what?
you need users ACTIVELY use it
you need users ACTIVELY use it after dist-upgrades
This isn't true. There is a cron job that continues to keep the profile
updated
the only thing smolt stats are showing is
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
I love GNOME 3 and detest KDE 4. I've tried MATE and Cinnamon on both
Linux Mint and Fedora and don't really see the point of either of them
as long as GNOME 3 offers fallback mode.
Fallback mode is going away in F19, it's already gone upstream.
When you come
Eric Smith wrote:
On 01/28/2013 08:47 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
I think switching the desktop that has been our default for over 10
years and 18 releases requires just a bit more research and reason
than that. ~m
I don't disagree with the more research and reason part, but the
current
Sandro Mani wrote:
Can't we simply re-organize the fedoraproject website in such way that the
download button points to something similar to the current More options
page, maybe with a small description for each desktop like easy to use /
feature rich and customizable / based on the
Matthias Clasen wrote:
- Cinnamon started out as 'using GNOME components', but it is [now] a full
fork of mutter, gnome-shell and nautilus, at least, and bug-fixes are not
going either way...
Those are applications which form the workspace, not random components.
I'm fairly sure that when
Adam Williamson wrote:
2. Can't we just not have a default?
Not really. Others have touched on this, but the websites team really
wants the simplicity of a straightforward 'Download' link that gets you
a live image, and that pretty much requires a default desktop.
And just because the
Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
= Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Cinnamon_as_Default_Desktop
Feature owner(s): Eric Smith e...@brouhaha.com
This feature proposes that Fedora switch the default desktop interface
from Gnome 3 to Cinnamon. Cinnamon
I wrote:
Sandro Mani wrote:
Can't we simply re-organize the fedoraproject website in such way that
the download button points to something similar to the current More
options page, maybe with a small description for each desktop like easy
to use / feature rich and customizable / based on the
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On 2013-01-29, 22:52 GMT, Michael Scherer wrote:
I am delighted to announce you that Red Hat has a policy of not
tolerating drugs on the work place. So you should be utterly relieved to
know that no people posting here with a @redhat.com email should
On 01/02/13 17:20, Paul Wouters wrote:
Now if only cannot display date with the time in top panel could be
a gnome3 blocker bug, that would be one less gnome3 issue.
You know you can turn the date on with gnome-tweak-tool right? or just
with this:
gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Paul Wouters pwout...@redhat.com wrote:
Now if only cannot display date with the time in top panel could be
a gnome3 blocker bug, that would be one less gnome3 issue. The other
major one of notifications being seemingly overengineered while still
being pretty
Hi
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Paul Wouters wrote:
Now if only cannot display date with the time in top panel could be
a gnome3 blocker bug, that would be one less gnome3 issue. The other
major one of notifications being seemingly overengineered while still
being pretty useless
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 04:25:05AM -0800, Dan Mashal wrote:
I'm sure QA, releng, docs, etc will go with what the community decides.
Lets have a poll. A very public one.
On the main website. Not somebody's blog. And let's let the users decide
what they want.
Do we have any significant data
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 04:23:43PM -0500, TK009 wrote:
From where I sit, I am not convinced the Gnome team did any of that
either beyond lip service. 6 versions to return shutdown speaks for
itself.
I saw this negativity was also on Phoronix, where someone else commented
in a similar way:
Are
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:06:51AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 31.01.2013 09:55, schrieb Olav Vitters:
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 04:23:43PM -0500, TK009 wrote:
From where I sit, I am not convinced the Gnome team did any of that
either beyond lip service. 6 versions to return shutdown
On 01/28/2013 12:45 PM, Richard Marko wrote:
On 01/28/2013 05:56 PM, inode0 wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Total_repository_connections
I'm wondering if there was an effort to provide package usage statistics
for Fedora. Having such data might be valuable when there's a
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 5:31 AM, Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:27 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Sandro Mani wrote:
Can't we simply re-organize the fedoraproject website in such way that the
download button points to something
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Jiri Eischmann eischm...@redhat.com wrote:
Polls are not a good way to find out what the majority wants. Because
the subset of users that usually participate in such polls don't
represent the whole user base. It's just not a statistically
representative sample.
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 4:13 AM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 01/29/2013 04:59 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
I don't disagree with the more research and reason part, but the
current default desktop has only been our default for four releases,
F15 through F18. I don't recall any
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov
akurt...@redhat.com wrote:
Regarding Cinnamon as Default Desktop - how many active contributors do
really take care of Cinnamon packaging? I don't think that anything that has
less than 3-4 can even be considered. Last time I checked the
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote:
= Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Cinnamon_as_Default_Desktop
Feature owner(s): Eric Smith e...@brouhaha.com
Most if not all packages are actually owned by Leigh Scott,
On 01/30/2013 01:05 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
Actually a lot of research and reason went into GNOME 3's development
[1],
That's about as relevant as a lot of coding went into $project,
which is... not a whole lot when considering which project to make the
default.
But every release is not a
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote:
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote:
= Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Cinnamon_as_Default_Desktop
Feature owner(s): Eric Smith
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
But every release is not a decision point, which desktop will we make
default this time?
I believe it is a point where review where are we are, and where we
would like to be, now and in the future.
Certainly it is
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:09:07AM -0800, Dan Mashal wrote:
I spoke with Clem Lefebvre (creator of Linux Mint) last night they
have a great upstream core of developers.
With all due respect, and after having looked to a bit of various
mint source code ( mint-foo tools and various cinnamon
On 2013-01-29, 22:52 GMT, Michael Scherer wrote:
I am delighted to announce you that Red Hat has a policy of not
tolerating drugs on the work place. So you should be utterly relieved to
know that no people posting here with a @redhat.com email should be
under the influence of any serious
On 2013-01-29, 00:50 GMT, Adam Williamson wrote:
My entirely personal take on this is that I don't really care that
much, but I don't see a convincing case for the change.
My personal take on this (just that everybody seems to have to have an
opinion on this):
a) one of the most important
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 23:15:55 +0100,
Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote:
On 2013-01-29, 22:52 GMT, Michael Scherer wrote:
I am delighted to announce you that Red Hat has a policy of not
tolerating drugs on the work place. So you should be utterly relieved to
know that no people posting here
This topic seems becoming useless.
If possible, I think me and other ambassadors will take a survey in China.
;)
Ps. I agreed Matej' b opinion.
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On Monday, January 28, 2013, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On Mon 28 Jan 2013 02:17:29 PM EST, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Going away isn't the correct phrase. The UI of Fallback Mode is going
to transition to a new feature called Classic Mode. It's an official
feature of Gnome 3.8.
On Monday, January 28, 2013, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On 01/28/2013 02:06 AM, Dan Mashal wrote:
You don't see the point of MATE or Cinnamon? How long did you play with
them 5 minutes?
Do you remember the GNOME 1.x = 2.x transition? Similarly to how there
are forks of GNOME now to 'keep the
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