Re: [riot-devel] AVR platform maturity

2014-12-16 Thread Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 03:10:48PM +0100, Ludwig Ortmann wrote: > Hi Kévin, > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 03:05:52PM +0100, ROUSSEL Kévin wrote: > > It's been a few months now since an AVR device (Arduino Mega) port has been > > available in RIOT. > > > > Does somebody use it regularly? I would lik

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-16 Thread Ludwig Ortmann
Hi, On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 06:42:37PM +0100, Oleg Hahm wrote: > > So in that case, you can't even (legally) sell a product based on RIOT > > without it (and you) being mentioned. > > Referring to a discussion I had with Hauke over lunch: would have RIOT to be > mentioned only in the code or on t

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-16 Thread Oleg Hahm
Hi Ludwig! > So in that case, you can't even (legally) sell a product based on RIOT > without it (and you) being mentioned. Referring to a discussion I had with Hauke over lunch: would have RIOT to be mentioned only in the code or on the sold product (let's say an Internet connected toy dinosaur)

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-16 Thread Oleg Hahm
Hey Kaspar! > IMHO this is not a "oooh how nice, someone found a way to make money out of > this! good for them!" situation. It has the possiblity to become a "Oh nice. > Those contributers write code we can sell and they don't want anything in > return" situation. I think it is both. And I under

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-16 Thread Ludwig Ortmann
Hi, On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 05:58:20PM +0100, Kaspar Schleiser wrote: > On 12/16/2014 03:12 PM, Emmanuel Baccelli wrote: > >BSDing turns it into work I do for other companies, for free. I will > >probably not contribute much this way, unless I become one of the > >companies taking RIOT

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-16 Thread Kaspar Schleiser
Hey, On 12/16/2014 03:12 PM, Emmanuel Baccelli wrote: BSDing turns it into work I do for other companies, for free. I will probably not contribute much this way, unless I become one of the companies taking RIOT and selling it somehow. I don't see how any company could "sell RIOT".

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-16 Thread Emmanuel Baccelli
Hi Johann On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Johann Fischer wrote: > > Am Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:45:02 +0100 > schrieb Emmanuel Baccelli : > > Hi Emmanuel, > > > > I agree with Kaspar. Also as a company we have interests that if a > > > competitor uses our work, it would be forced to admit changes or

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-16 Thread Johann Fischer
Am Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:45:02 +0100 schrieb Emmanuel Baccelli : Hi Emmanuel, > > > I totally don't get this point. How do more possibilities to work > > > with RIOT for *others*, take fun away from *you*? > > > > > > > (L)GPL guarantees that my contribution will stay part of > > > > something that

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-16 Thread Emmanuel Baccelli
Hi Johann, On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Johann Fischer wrote: > > Am Tue, 16 Dec 2014 12:44:57 +0100 > schrieb Oleg Hahm : > > > Hey Kaspar! > > > > > If RIOT is BSD'ed, for *me* personally time spent on it is not fun > > > time I like to in my unpaid spare time anymore, it becomes work > > >

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-16 Thread Kaspar Schleiser
Hey, On 12/16/2014 02:36 PM, Matthias Waehlisch wrote: I disagree. The RIOT community guarantees that your and everyone else's contribution stay part of open and free software that might improve. Additionally, it might become part of something else, true. I agree with Kaspar. but this is

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-16 Thread Emmanuel Baccelli
Hi Kaspar, On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Kaspar Schleiser wrote: > > > > As the man earning a shit load of money from one of these evil companies, > using a proprietary smart phone, and buying Facebook goggles, working on > RIOT for me is a very expensive hobby. > > I'm not sure I get your po

Re: [riot-devel] AVR platform maturity

2014-12-16 Thread Ludwig Ortmann
Hi Kévin, On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 03:05:52PM +0100, ROUSSEL Kévin wrote: > It's been a few months now since an AVR device (Arduino Mega) port has been > available in RIOT. > > Does somebody use it regularly? I would like to try some developments on > AVR, and I was wondering if AVR support was pr

[riot-devel] AVR platform maturity

2014-12-16 Thread ROUSSEL Kévin
Hello everyone, It's been a few months now since an AVR device (Arduino Mega) port has been available in RIOT. Does somebody use it regularly? I would like to try some developments on AVR, and I was wondering if AVR support was production-ready, or if there was still "rough edges" to aware o

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-16 Thread Kaspar Schleiser
Hi, On 12/16/2014 12:44 PM, Oleg Hahm wrote: If RIOT is BSD'ed, for *me* personally time spent on it is not fun time I like to in my unpaid spare time anymore, it becomes work that is also fun. Work others can (and will) sell under their terms. I totally don't get this point. How do more possi

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-16 Thread Matthias Waehlisch
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014, Johann Fischer wrote: > > > If RIOT is BSD'ed, for *me* personally time spent on it is not fun > > > time I like to in my unpaid spare time anymore, it becomes work > > > that is also fun. Work others can (and will) sell under their terms. > > > > I totally don't get this po

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-16 Thread Johann Fischer
Am Tue, 16 Dec 2014 12:44:57 +0100 schrieb Oleg Hahm : > Hey Kaspar! > > > If RIOT is BSD'ed, for *me* personally time spent on it is not fun > > time I like to in my unpaid spare time anymore, it becomes work > > that is also fun. Work others can (and will) sell under their terms. > > I totally

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-16 Thread Oleg Hahm
Hey Kaspar! > If RIOT is BSD'ed, for *me* personally time spent on it is not fun time I > like to in my unpaid spare time anymore, it becomes work that is also fun. > Work others can (and will) sell under their terms. I totally don't get this point. How do more possibilities to work with RIOT for

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-16 Thread Kaspar Schleiser
Hey, On 12/15/14 18:39, Oleg Hahm wrote: I second this thought! As Kaspar has written, too: It's all about the community and the fun time spending with this awesome tool. It's gonna be always free and open source, no matter what stupid companies try to do with it behind closed doors. We are RIOT

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-16 Thread Thomas Eichinger
>>> Let's keep the discussion non-political/-philosophical - otherwise there's >>> no >>> end. >> Sure. Keep the discussion "GPL or not" non-political/-philosophical. Why >> discuss at all? > > While I think this discussion can not be lead without political or > philosophical considerations, I ag