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First I must apologize for any redundancy I may spout here. I've
spent an hour sifting through the archives to try to reduce any
redundancy.
Primary, I propose a way to easily timestamp and update content.
Additionally, the methodology keeps people out of each
"David McNab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 20.4.2001 01:24:33:
>
>I've had success with embedding the JRE into a client installer.
>Sun are very clear about their requirements for JRE redistro - required file
>set etc.
>
>I'm confident I can make a fully-compliant installer with JRE built in, one
Sebastian Späth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 19.4.2001 15:54:16:
>> I've created a new Windows installer for Freenet 0.3.8.1.
>> But I need admin support (or a couple of pointers) to put it 'live'.
>That is great, I will have a look at it tomorrow and publish it then.
>Otherwise you can ask Ian
> 3) was added as additional feature, because the search can take a long
time and people should have the
> possibility to choose as soon as their wished JRE was found, instead of
waiting until the last MP3 directory
> was scanned. So I would rather prefer to enable it as soon as the first
java.exe
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First I must apologize for any redundancy I may spout here. I've
spent an hour sifting through the archives to try to reduce any
redundancy.
Primary, I propose a way to easily timestamp and update content.
Additionally, the methodology keeps people out of eac
> Whaddya think of adding high-level key index read/insert commands to FCP as
> well?
That would be up to the FCP developers.
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>From - Fri Apr 20 11
> One question, Ian and co.
> How do you guys feel about 'wine'?
> If you don't mind running under wine, then the installer gen can already be
> run under linux.
> 'wine' shouldn't have any problems with it - it's totally console-based..
The proper way to go about doing linux installation is to p
Chris Anderson wrote:
Sam Joseph wrote:
>
> > Where the ranks indicate the number of times a user has bookmarked
> > something after searching for it with that keyword, the number of
times
> > it was clicked through after it was searched for using that keyword
and
> > the number of times it was re
inds.
Someone please help me back to sanity!!!
David
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Hmmm, why not?
I think I shall.
BTW - I've got a secure, totally in-freenet DNS registry up and running.
David
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From: "Brandon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] Proposal: Freenews
>
> > I
I've just now modified and recompiled the 'findjava' program.
It's checked back into CVS, along with the findjava.exe binary
Changes are:
1) 'jview.exe' is no longer recognised as a java interpreter
2) no windows directory will be searched for java interpreters
3) The 'update settings' button is d
> I have thought of an idea that could make freenet a lot more useful.
> Basically the idea is a Freenews - a freenet based usenet.
The EOF project (eof.sourceforge.net) has a functioning news over Freenet
implementation and an NNTP gateway so that you can use your normal news
reader to read Fre
I have thought of an idea that could make freenet a lot more useful.
Basically the idea is a Freenews - a freenet based usenet. Now before
everybody jumps on me and tells me I am stupid just please read the rest of
this idea.
MODUS OPERANDI:
This system would work using a sequential KSKs(or so
...and the fact that KeyIndexClient is date-based now! (and knows RTF
metadata - if that is mature enough to be released)
-Stefan
>Well, I am not sure that that much has changed apart from a serious bug
>in the Windows installer which prevented it from working with jview (I
>believe the solution
> Whaddya think of adding high-level key index read/insert commands to FCP as
> well?
That would be up to the FCP developers.
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> One question, Ian and co.
> How do you guys feel about 'wine'?
> If you don't mind running under wine, then the installer gen can already be
> run under linux.
> 'wine' shouldn't have any problems with it - it's totally console-based..
The proper way to go about doing linux installation is to
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> "sebastian" == sebastian spaeth writes:
sebastian> "David McNab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on
sebastian> 19.4.2001 11:59:30:
>> I've just now modified and recompiled the 'findjava' program.
>> It's checked back into CVS, along with the findjava.exe binary
>>
>> Ch
Hi all,
I have forked the Windows Freenet installer into
two versions:
* Freenet Standard
* Freenet Lite
'Freenet Lite' is much the same as past windows
installers, except that it no longer search for or accepts windows java
interpreters. Thus, it will eliminate a whole class of
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:11:28PM -0700, Hahaha wrote:
> Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and
> polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a
> *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the Seven
> Dwar
> I totally agree. I was just thinking about how it's silly how we have all
> of this stuff blocking when it doesn't have to. I'm going to generalize
> the key index API to work with generic enumerated keyspaces (as opposed to
> key indices, specifically) and then expose it via XML-RPC.
Whaddya t
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> This causes requests to fail, so people try to fix it
> by inserting onto more nodes, thereby making the problem worse.
Hmmm, so if 'multiple insertion points' would cause worse problems for the
network...
Maybe an idea might be to place occasional FNP requests to diff
From: "Ian Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cool. What would be extremely desirable, but not nescessary easy, would
>be a unix script which can generate the Windows builds This would
>make the release process much easier, and would allow us to create
>automatic daily builds again.
One question
> Yes! Please do this.
OK Guys - how do you want to handle delivery?
I've got CVS access, so I can deliver completed installers up to (say)
Contrib/wininstall/bin in CVS, then you can move it to the download area and
update download link etc.
Otherwise, if you want to grant me slightly more acce
> No, what I'm thinking of would require a change to the server, because the
> keys would have to be stored on the server differently from how they are
> stored the old way (the entire key was hashed) or how they're stored in the
> catalogs.
If you expect your code to be integrated into Freenet t
> We could have 'Freenet Lite' (no Java) - as has been done in the past, and
> 'Freenet Standard' (JRE built in).
Yes! Please do this.
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>From - Fri
> Since many applications of Freenet take quite a bit of time (adding to a
> key-index, sending messages using think-cash etc). Fortunately most of
> these are not time-critical, however the problem is that current clients
> to do this tend to block, so you have to leave the client running for
>
> are we going to have a catalog of indexes?
I don't think that would be very useful. My usage model for the indexes
has two parts. First, there will be well-known indices for submission.
Your client will submit your key plus metadata to any relevant indices
(relevance will be determined by the c
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 03:44:50AM +1200, David McNab wrote:
> > Do we even have 100 nodes on the network?
>
> Now I'm _really_ getting worried.
Well, I think that Fred is working, so clearly we do (it's possible to
have 100 htl go by on a smaller network because of backtracking, but
still). The
At 04:11 PM 4/19/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and
>polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a
>*huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the
>Seven
>Dwarfs enter...
I'm sure
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:37:08PM +1200, David McNab wrote:
> "Houston, we have a problem..."
>
> Freenet's reliability and performance have been suffering terribly at present.
>
> I was unaware of the issues till I created a new Windows installation on a
> fresh partition, and installed a new
> Good lord! You have to go through all of THAT just to insert something into
> the network?? What a kludge. Even if you somehow manage to hide this from
> the users, you still have to do all of it programmatically, and there goes
> any hope of a simple design.
It's actually quite simple, cert
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> No, what I'm thinking of would require a change to the server, because the
> keys would have to be stored on the server differently from how they are
> stored the old way (the entire key was hashed) or how they're stored in the
> catalogs.
If you expect your code to be integrated into Freenet
Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and
polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a
*huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the Seven
Dwarfs enter...
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> The well-known indices will be agreed upon by client writers. The
> user-operated indices will be found the same way that web sites are found,
> from people recommending them.
I agree that if you're going
> We could have 'Freenet Lite' (no Java) - as has been done in the past, and
> 'Freenet Standard' (JRE built in).
Yes! Please do this.
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> Since many applications of Freenet take quite a bit of time (adding to a
> key-index, sending messages using think-cash etc). Fortunately most of
> these are not time-critical, however the problem is that current clients
> to do this tend to block, so you have to leave the client running for
>
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 11:24:33AM +1200, David McNab wrote:
> I've had success with embedding the JRE into a client installer.
> Sun are very clear about their requirements for JRE redistro - required file
> set etc.
>
> I'm confident I can make a fully-compliant installer with JRE built in, one
At 04:11 PM 4/19/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and
>polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a
>*huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the
>Seven
>Dwarfs enter...
I'm sure
I've had success with embedding the JRE into a client installer.
Sun are very clear about their requirements for JRE redistro - required file
set etc.
I'm confident I can make a fully-compliant installer with JRE built in, one
which doesn't even tell users about Java.
We could have 'Freenet Lite
> are we going to have a catalog of indexes?
I don't think that would be very useful. My usage model for the indexes
has two parts. First, there will be well-known indices for submission.
Your client will submit your key plus metadata to any relevant indices
(relevance will be determined by the
This is probably a virus. Anyone who catches it probably deserves what
they get.
Ian.
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:11:28PM -0700, Hahaha wrote:
> Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and
> polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a
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> It's actually quite simple, certainly more simple than what you proposed.
> And it's totally client-side and already coded, so it's certainly
> more easy to implement. Here's how you insert a key, from a u
Since many applications of Freenet take quite a bit of time (adding to a
key-index, sending messages using think-cash etc). Fortunately most of
these are not time-critical, however the problem is that current clients
to do this tend to block, so you have to leave the client running for
quite a wh
Am Donnerstag 19 April 2001 14:31 schrieben Sie:
> Dear Sebastian and FN admins,
>
> I've created a new Windows installer for Freenet 0.3.8.1.
> But I need admin support (or a couple of pointers) to put it 'live'.
>
> Summary:
> * uses 'official' 0.3.8.1 Freenet.jar
> * java selection bugs fixed
>
I've fixed the key index bugs. Now I just need to remove the 1.2isms.
I'd like to suggest that we include an option to have Sun's JRE bundled
and automatically installed in the next release. That will solve quite a
few problems for new users, I think. It will require some changes to the
installer
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> It's actually quite simple, certainly more simple than what you proposed.
> And it's totally client-side and already coded, so it's certainly
> more easy to implement. Here's how you insert a key, from a
> Well, I am not sure that that much has changed apart from a serious bug
> in the Windows installer which prevented it from working with jview (I
> believe the solution is to prevent it from working with jview), and a
> much improved fproxy gateway page (with much more tasteful colours etc).
I'd
> Good lord! You have to go through all of THAT just to insert something into
> the network?? What a kludge. Even if you somehow manage to hide this from
> the users, you still have to do all of it programmatically, and there goes
> any hope of a simple design.
It's actually quite simple, cer
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> > through the system. My understanding is that each server has a catalog,
> > which can be fetched by request; for this to work, servers have to treat
> > catalogs as different from other data
>
> You don
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Sam Joseph wrote:
>
> Well, that's kind of what I'm working on with NeuroGrid now. It's not
> set up yet, but my approach is to get a person's bookmark file, extract
> all of the urls out of it, download each of those pages, chew them up,
> spit out all the tags, and then us
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:48:46PM -0500, Brandon wrote:
>
> I've fixed the key index bugs. Now I just need to remove the 1.2isms.
>
> I'd like to suggest that we include an option to have Sun's JRE bundled
> and automatically installed in the next release. That will solve quite a
> few problems
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> > through the system. My understanding is that each server has a catalog,
> > which can be fetched by request; for this to work, servers have to treat
> > catalogs as different from other data
>
> You do
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:48:46PM -0500, Brandon wrote:
>
> I've fixed the key index bugs. Now I just need to remove the 1.2isms.
>
> I'd like to suggest that we include an option to have Sun's JRE bundled
> and automatically installed in the next release. That will solve quite a
> few problems
I've fixed the key index bugs. Now I just need to remove the 1.2isms.
I'd like to suggest that we include an option to have Sun's JRE bundled
and automatically installed in the next release. That will solve quite a
few problems for new users, I think. It will require some changes to the
installe
"David McNab" wrote on 19.4.2001 11:59:30:
>
>I've just now modified and recompiled the 'findjava' program.
>It's checked back into CVS, along with the findjava.exe binary
>
>Changes are:
>1) 'jview.exe' is no longer recognised as a java interpreter
>2) no windows directory will be searched for ja
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On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:00:19PM -0500, Brandon wrote:
> I have a couple of bugs I'd like to fix. I can probably get to that
> tonight.
I am going to NY tomorrow morning, but perhaps Mr Bad could do a release
this weekend?
Ian.
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> Well, I am not sure that that much has changed apart from a serious bug
> in the Windows installer which prevented it from working with jview (I
> believe the solution is to prevent it from working with jview), and a
> much improved fproxy gateway page (with much more tasteful colours etc).
I'
On Thursday 19 April 2001 06:37, David wrote:
> > "Houston, we have a problem..."
>
> Freenet's reliability and performance have been suffering terribly at
> present.
This isn't the way things look in my world. It seems that reliability is
actually getting better. I can find most *new* files mo
Was there any work required on the fproxy security filter?
I looked at a couple of older bugs (space in URLs and leaking threads on
security warning), but couldn't reproduce them. Maybe they were fixed
while I was away.
So let me know if there's anything outstanding.
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:
> through the system. My understanding is that each server has a catalog,
> which can be fetched by request; for this to work, servers have to treat
> catalogs as different from other data
You don't understand the system at all then. Read
http://freenetproject.org/in-freenet-keyindex.html.
?
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...and the fact that KeyIndexClient is date-based now! (and knows RTF
metadata - if that is mature enough to be released)
-Stefan
>Well, I am not sure that that much has changed apart from a serious bug
>in the Windows installer which prevented it from working with jview (I
>believe the solution
Was there any work required on the fproxy security filter?
I looked at a couple of older bugs (space in URLs and leaking threads on
security warning), but couldn't reproduce them. Maybe they were fixed
while I was away.
So let me know if there's anything outstanding.
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Well, I am not sure that that much has changed apart from a serious bug
in the Windows installer which prevented it from working with jview (I
believe the solution is to prevent it from working with jview), and a
much improved fproxy gateway page (with much more tasteful colours etc).
Thoughts?
I have separated out the changelogs for the 3 branches, see:
http://freenetproject.org/index.php?page=changelog
Ian.
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Sam Joseph wrote:
>
> Well, that's kind of what I'm working on with NeuroGrid now. It's not
> set up yet, but my approach is to get a person's bookmark file, extract
> all of the urls out of it, download each of those pages, chew them up,
> spit out all the tags, and then u
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:37:08PM +1200, David McNab wrote:
> "Houston, we have a problem..."
>
> Freenet's reliability and performance have been suffering terribly at present.
I have observed the opposite. I suspect that the problem may be that
your Freenet node will only become efficient at f
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:37:08PM +1200, David McNab wrote:
> "Houston, we have a problem..."
>
> Freenet's reliability and performance have been suffering terribly at present.
I have observed the opposite. I suspect that the problem may be that
your Freenet node will only become efficient at
Benjamin Coates wrote on 19.4.2001 01:02:40:
>
>>From Sebastian at SSpaeth.de
>>>I tried to look into the installer, but couldn't make heads or tails of it;
>>>does anyone know what bit of code writes out the initial freenet.ini?
>>
>>Freenet.ini is created by running "Freenet.scripts.Setup.java f
Chris Anderson Wrote
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Sam Joseph wrote:
> >
> > If the key index is being updated with new keys and being restored
in
> > Freenet couldn't you be updating degrees of association of keywords
with
> > keys based on user feedback?
> >
> > e.g. utdqti3tro7qiet6atsql2iugakfyg D
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> > 1) They are fairly static
>
> No, they are not at all static.
Perhaps we're talking about two different catalog mechanism. According to
the information on the web page (about how to make keys availab
> through the system. My understanding is that each server has a catalog,
> which can be fetched by request; for this to work, servers have to treat
> catalogs as different from other data
You don't understand the system at all then. Read
http://freenetproject.org/in-freenet-keyindex.html.
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> > 1) They are fairly static
>
> No, they are not at all static.
Perhaps we're talking about two different catalog mechanism. According to
the information on the web page (about how to make keys availa
As long as everyone keeps inserting everything onto all nodes, the Freenet
search algorithm won't work. There will be no way to follow a path to a
particular node where the data is stored, if all nodes have approximately
the same data. This causes requests to fail, so people try to fix it
by inse
On Thursday 19 April 2001 06:37, David wrote:
> > "Houston, we have a problem..."
>
> Freenet's reliability and performance have been suffering terribly at
> present.
This isn't the way things look in my world. It seems that reliability is
actually getting better. I can find most *new* files m
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 03:44:50AM +1200, David McNab wrote:
> > Do we even have 100 nodes on the network?
>
> Now I'm _really_ getting worried.
Well, I think that Fred is working, so clearly we do (it's possible to
have 100 htl go by on a smaller network because of backtracking, but
still). The
What I'm wondering in this context is... how can we be sure that Freenet isn't
fragmented? A few months ago, Gnutella suffered from fragmentation so badly that
it was virtually unusable. The main problem was de-facto fragmentation caused by
nodes with way too little bandwidth.
For Gnutella, it on
As long as everyone keeps inserting everything onto all nodes, the Freenet
search algorithm won't work. There will be no way to follow a path to a
particular node where the data is stored, if all nodes have approximately
the same data. This causes requests to fail, so people try to fix it
by ins
> Do we even have 100 nodes on the network?
Now I'm _really_ getting worried.
As I was tossing and turning in bed earlier tonight, contemplating this
problem, I thought that the issue might be the opposite - thousands of
nodes.
I realise I'm still painfully ignorant of Freenet's topology
But I
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:37:08PM +1200, David McNab wrote:
> "Houston, we have a problem..."
>
> Freenet's reliability and performance have been suffering terribly at present.
>
> I was unaware of the issues till I created a new Windows installation on a fresh
>partition, and installed a new
Chris Anderson wrote:
Sam Joseph wrote:
>
> > Where the ranks indicate the number of times a user has bookmarked
> > something after searching for it with that keyword, the number of
times
> > it was clicked through after it was searched for using that keyword
and
> > the number of times it was re
Am Donnerstag 19 April 2001 14:31 schrieben Sie:
> Dear Sebastian and FN admins,
>
> I've created a new Windows installer for Freenet 0.3.8.1.
> But I need admin support (or a couple of pointers) to put it 'live'.
>
> Summary:
> * uses 'official' 0.3.8.1 Freenet.jar
> * java selection bugs fixed
>
Dear Sebastian and FN admins,
I've created a new Windows installer for Freenet 0.3.8.1.
But I need admin support (or a couple of pointers) to put it 'live'.
Summary:
* uses 'official' 0.3.8.1 Freenet.jar
* java selection bugs fixed
* fproxy set by default to htl=50
* 'run freenet at startup' dis
> 3) was added as additional feature, because the search can take a long
time and people should have the
> possibility to choose as soon as their wished JRE was found, instead of
waiting until the last MP3 directory
> was scanned. So I would rather prefer to enable it as soon as the first
java.exe
"David McNab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 19.4.2001 11:59:30:
>
>I've just now modified and recompiled the 'findjava' program.
>It's checked back into CVS, along with the findjava.exe binary
>
>Changes are:
>1) 'jview.exe' is no longer recognised as a java interpreter
>2) no windows directory wil
"Houston, we have a problem..."
Freenet's reliability and performance have
been suffering terribly at present.
I was unaware of the issues till I created a new
Windows installation on a fresh partition, and installed a new Freenet on
it.
While I'm running Freenet from this Windows
partit
I've just now modified and recompiled the 'findjava' program.
It's checked back into CVS, along with the findjava.exe binary
Changes are:
1) 'jview.exe' is no longer recognised as a java interpreter
2) no windows directory will be searched for java interpreters
3) The 'update settings' button is
Benjamin Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 19.4.2001 01:02:40:
>
>>From [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>I tried to look into the installer, but couldn't make heads or tails of it;
>>>does anyone know what bit of code writes out the initial freenet.ini?
>>
>>Freenet.ini is created by running "Freenet.script
n HTL of 40?
Cheers
David
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