On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 12:27:33PM -0400, Zlatin Balevsky wrote:
> do you think we could use that to make global estimates across all
> nodes, i.e. instead of estimating the response time for each node in the
> rt and then choosing the best, could we add the routingTable contents as
> a discrete
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 12:05:28AM +0100, Toad wrote:
> The main argument put forward at the time was to prevent the network
> from dividing into islands, or to stitch it back together when they did
> form.
Yes, however there has never been a single known instance of this
happening, either in rea
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 08:30:16PM -0400, Andrew Rodland wrote:
> Please don't let's forget that random first hop is the only thing that
> makes retrying of any use after we reach HTL=25 and want to keep trying,
> because of ftable. And I think that people will agree with me, that as
> it stands
Is this reproducible? Could you explain what the observed problem is in
more detail?
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 01:06:24AM +1000, fish wrote:
> That bug that no-one else was able to reproduce came back for long enough for me to
> investigate it. I think that's good... :-p
>
> The issue: when readi
Doesn't this cause less than optimal
specialization? Maybe the data would have been found in less than that 25
htl if your node heads in the right direction in the first place?
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Calling all client developers:
I'm revising the metadata spec to take into account actual usage of
metadata in freenet clients. I wish I had time to go through
everyone's source code and understand things from that perspective,
but instead I'm hoping to just talk to all of you about how you use
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 11:39, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> --
> And finally, for the error I face, another feature request (if it makes
> sense: perhaps freenet should check to see if /var/lib/freenet/node-tmp
> exists and if not, create it ?? I can do this now, but my current setup
> has tm
Well, not quite a patch, but, when Java fails to start, due to the
--background option of start-stop-daemon (in
/etc/init.d/freenet[-unstable]), _no errors are displayed_.
I just spent a couple hours tracking this down (I haven't done much GNU/
Linux development) and so I recommend putting this at
Freenet stable build 5016 is now available. Update to it using the
update utility or get it from the snapshots page at
http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/ .
Changes (a ton, mostly not mine):
* Implemented support for ZIP containers (fish's work, slightly
tweaked by me). Supported by the client
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 08:47 pm, Zlatin Balevsky wrote:
> To avoid this perhaps its better to use a single SVM for success/failure
> which takes into account all previous samples for all nodes. The learning
> datums for this SVM should however be 3 dimensional:
Then couldn't one node return failur
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 11:45:59AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 07:02:46PM +0100, Toad wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 11:40:18AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote:
> > > If my memory serves me correctly, we currently select the first step in
> > > routing at random as a security me
The first SVM will predict if the request will succeed or fail.
that's going one step ahead of what we thought so far.. interesting idea. However, i'm against using it on nodes for which we have
very little learning data. When a new node is introduced to the network, its is very inefficient at f
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 06:05 pm, Toad wrote:
> The main argument put forward at the time was to prevent the network
> from dividing into islands, or to stitch it back together when they did
> form. However, random routing every request on the origin node is not the
> only way to deal with it - one
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 03:46:13AM -0400, Mathew Ryden wrote:
> My node (5015) is rejecting all connections due to the fact that it thinks
> that it is 100% loaded. Most likely that comes from the 63 active pooled
> jobs (at 157.5%).
Umm, you are running with maximumThreads=40? What did you expect
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Ian Clarke wrote:
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|Bottom line, the whole random routing thing was a solution to a problem
|that nobody ever observed, and in all liklihood - would never
|actually occur in practice.
Please don't let's forget that random first hop is the only thing t
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 09:12:04AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote:
> Thanks for the info. I would be very curious, given your understanding
> of what is available in the ML field, how you think it might compare to
> our current "home grown" solution? Are there specific advantages you
> can identify?
Le
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:36:58AM -0500, Edgar Friendly wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >
> > Yeah, that's what I'm thinking and I've gone with just ignoring those
> > DataChunks.
> > >
>
> The thing is, Restarted messages after the data has started streaming
> through should be almost
Andrew Rodland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> IIRC, since the "backoff" deallie went away, the criterion for
> dropping nodes is their CP going below minCP (0.01 by default).
>
> --hobbs
>
I looked around a lot in the source, and while there's code indicative
of this kind of behavior in the past
Todd Walton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I've fetched all three DBR sites today, so they've passed through my
> datastore. So if my node can fetch the edition sites from the local
> datastore, shouldn't it also be able to fetch the DBR page?
Welcome to probabilistic caching, alias "the big dat
hello kaffe zealots,
now there's a branch in cvs called "non-nio". Everything non-nio
dependend will be backported from branch stable BY YOU!!! Please keep
the build numbers the same as the stable build you backported from.
I'm not sure whether we'll provide binaries for download, its up to
Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 01:52:04PM -0500, Edgar Friendly wrote:
> > > Drop nodes? We don't drop nodes based on CP, do we?
> > >
> > IIRC, the node in the RT with the lowest CP is dropped to make room
> > for a new node.
>
> I hope not, references are supp
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Ian Clarke wrote:
|>IIRC, the node in the RT with the lowest CP is dropped to make room
|>for a new node.
|
|
|I hope not, references are supposed to be dropped on an LRU basis, not
|on the basis of their CP. If someone change that then it is a miracl
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 01:52:04PM -0500, Edgar Friendly wrote:
> > Drop nodes? We don't drop nodes based on CP, do we?
> >
> IIRC, the node in the RT with the lowest CP is dropped to make room
> for a new node.
I hope not, references are supposed to be dropped on an LRU basis, not
on the basis
Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > This is basicily what the current code tries to do. Quite probably I should
> > make nodes that do not have connection have a very low CP. Note about
> > the only thing CP is used for the NG code to to drop nodes (and give the
> > sort order for the display s
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 08:37:14AM -0400, Ed Tomlinson wrote:
> On July 20, 2003 03:53 pm, Ian Clarke wrote:
> > A thought just occurred to me. It is quite possible, that from the
> > perspective of the NG routing algorithm - that it will be preferable to
> > send a request to a poorly suited node
Fixed in unstable.
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 01:00:38AM +0100, Toad wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:05:57PM +0200, Michael Schierl wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > -
> > C:\Programme\Internet\Freenet0.5>java -cp freenet.jar \
> > freenet.client.cli.Main genkeys
> > log level: normal - 8
> > Stat
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 07:26:12AM -0400, Ed Tomlinson wrote:
> On July 21, 2003 04:22 pm, Ian Clarke wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 08:50:33PM +0100, Toad wrote:
> > > Umm, no. Random first hop was introduced to avoid the network forking...
> > > anyway, how would this improve getting DBRs?
>
Tom Kaitchuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Monday 21 July 2003 11:26 am, Frank v Waveren wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 09:42:41PM -0500, Tom Kaitchuck wrote:
> > > Huh? re-retrieval? Even if we are not the originator of a request and one
> > > node returns Data not found, we try another,
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 07:25:26AM -0700, Zlatin Balevsky wrote:
> Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet/interfaces
> In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv4764/src/freenet/interfaces
>
> Modified Files:
> NIOInterface.java
> Log Message:
> move closures on LSL thread to avoid IOEs
> If its possible to use 3d vectors (3rd dimension being the node that
> we'll route to), we'll have only ~10 invocations per second, but the
> sample points will be between 500 and 5000, will that yield better cpu time?
I don't know if that would make sense since there would be no relation
bet
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 06:00:07PM +0100, Toad wrote:
> We cannot make a non-sun-dependant Freenet.
...at this moment in time, but Kaffe's java.nio stuff is progressing
rapidly.
> You cannot make a package
> of Sun Java, maybe not even an installer package. We apparently care
> more about the wi
libsvm is really cool, even has a idi^H^H^H beginner's guide to using it ;)
do you think we could use that to make global estimates across all
nodes, i.e. instead of estimating the response time for each node in the
rt and then choosing the best, could we add the routingTable contents as
a disc
Rudi,
Thanks for the info. I would be very curious, given your understanding
of what is available in the ML field, how you think it might compare to
our current "home grown" solution? Are there specific advantages you
can identify?
It may also be the case that we have inadvertently re-invented
Greetings Freenet Developers,
First, let me congratulate you all on creating the tremendously important
Freenet project. I am an open-source developer and PhD student in
the Netherlands. I have been following the Freenet project for some years
now, and just recently came across Ian's article des
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 23:24:48 -0700 pineapple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Just wanted to say that there is an active link on TFE
>called NIM Killer that crashes mozilla/firebird
>browsers.
Because of that image I had to change my standard Freenet browser. I've
also been using Mozilla Firebird and
> The image is malformed - it crashes all broswers (with images) so far,
> photoshop, windows preview, windows paint, GIMP, etc..basically anything
> that loads an image, it will lock it up and crash it.
Right, but I don't see how that's Freenet's fault. I'm guessing that this
file could exist on
On July 22, 2003 06:10 am, Kevin Steen wrote:
I suspect that updating your seed nodes _might_ help
here. It also might stabilize with better number after
running longer. Most of my testing has been with 8-12hour
runs.
Thanks for trying it.
Ed
> After 2 hours running 6508 (freenet-exp-20030
On July 22, 2003 03:56 am, Menno Jonkers wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> Had a 6508 node running smoothly with rtMaxNodes at 100. Then reduced
> that to 50 (supposedly sufficient for NGR). This caused it to throw
> ArrayIndexOutOfBound exceptions, see below. Bac
On July 22, 2003 12:09 am, Tom Kaitchuck wrote:
> On Monday 21 July 2003 10:24 pm, pineapple wrote:
> > Ack! What's happening? My poor, pathetic little node
> > is running on default config yet my local load is
> > +40K, +280 connections transmitting to! I'm guessing
> > that each connection is
On July 21, 2003 04:22 pm, Ian Clarke wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 08:50:33PM +0100, Toad wrote:
> > Umm, no. Random first hop was introduced to avoid the network forking...
> > anyway, how would this improve getting DBRs?
>
> Ah yes, I was trying to remember why that was introduced. Of course
On July 17, 2003 04:09 pm, Andrew Rodland wrote:
> Looks like the experimental branch (build 6507 here) has a problem
> loading seednodes. My RT on this system was really stale, so I went to
> reseed, and it crashes with an NPE. Checked that it works properly on
> the last stable build I have. Retr
After 2 hours running 6508 (freenet-exp-20030722.tgz) here's what the
routing stats look like:
Number of node references 49
Contacted node references 41
Total Reference Keys 345
Node references requesting ARKs 1
Route Trials 27488
Route Successes 3368
Cached Trials 14302
Cached Succ
At 22/07/2003 02:19, you wrote:
>On Monday 21 July 2003 02:50 pm, Toad wrote:
>> > 4. If a site fails, automatically try altdbrurl BEFORE prompting the
>> > user. 5. If we are using altdbrurl or a previous dated copy, make that
>> > apply to the ENTIRE SITE. There is nothing worse then getting an e
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Hi,
Had a 6508 node running smoothly with rtMaxNodes at 100. Then reduced
that to 50 (supposedly sufficient for NGR). This caused it to throw
ArrayIndexOutOfBound exceptions, see below. Back to 100 and life was
fine again. Probably also if I reseeded.
My node (5015) is rejecting all connections due to the fact that it thinks
that it is 100% loaded. Most likely that comes from the 63 active pooled
jobs (at 157.5%).
The node is actually using something like 3% cpu when it peaks. it's
maintaining 343 open connections, but only 12 of them are trans
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