Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

2015-11-05 Thread Steve Dougherty
On 11/05/2015 06:15 PM, xor wrote: > On Thursday, November 05, 2015 03:40:31 PM Ian wrote: >> Also, I think the current site is worse than the version during testing due >> to the placement of the donation bar, which it is clear is causing >> significant confusion. > > The main goal with the new l

Re: [freenet-dev] A bold idea for discussion: "Freenet 2"

2015-11-05 Thread Steve Dougherty
On 11/05/2015 04:35 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On 03/11/15 18:00, Ian wrote: ... >> Thoughts? > IMHO general file storage is important. Even for revolutions! How much > of the supposed technical contribution to the Arab Spring was videos on > Youtube? > > I would like to see a prototype of Tahr

Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

2015-11-05 Thread xor
On Thursday, November 05, 2015 03:35:30 PM Ian wrote: > Really? It looks nothing like a typical Bootstrap site. I think it might > have been better to stick much more closely to the standard Bootstrap CSS > (eg. light background). With regards to "light background": We won't ever win this situat

Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

2015-11-05 Thread xor
You probably might first want to see my other mail which was a reply to the message you had hereby replied to. On Thursday, November 05, 2015 01:47:37 PM Dan Roberts wrote: > I think much of the confusion can be rectified by removing the extra > vertical space above the donation bar, which is a k

Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

2015-11-05 Thread xor
On Thursday, November 05, 2015 03:40:31 PM Ian wrote: > Also, I think the current site is worse than the version during testing due > to the placement of the donation bar, which it is clear is causing > significant confusion. The main goal with the new large bar is having people see it since it is

[freenet-dev] Aaron Swartz Day Hackathon

2015-11-05 Thread Dan Roberts
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/11/aaron-swartz-hackathon-weekend-your-chance-hack-better-world There's a hackathon this weekend for Aaron Swartz day. I doubt there's any point in reaching out regarding this year, I certainly couldn't commit to participating on such short notice, but perhaps f

Re: [freenet-dev] Fundamental problems in Freenet was Re: Links for Bob Ham

2015-11-05 Thread Matthew Toseland
On 05/11/15 22:41, Bob Ham wrote: > On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 22:33 +, Matthew Toseland wrote: >> On 05/11/15 22:21, Bob Ham wrote: >>> On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 21:19 +, Matthew Toseland wrote: On 04/11/15 22:57, Bob Ham wrote: > That's all helpful, thanks. However, I'm still not entirel

Re: [freenet-dev] Fundamental problems in Freenet was Re: Links for Bob Ham

2015-11-05 Thread Matthew Toseland
On 05/11/15 22:33, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On 05/11/15 22:21, Bob Ham wrote: >> On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 21:19 +, Matthew Toseland wrote: >>> On 04/11/15 22:57, Bob Ham wrote: That's all helpful, thanks. However, I'm still not entirely sure which are the "fundamental" problems Toad sp

Re: [freenet-dev] Fundamental problems in Freenet was Re: Links for Bob Ham

2015-11-05 Thread Bob Ham
On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 22:33 +, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On 05/11/15 22:21, Bob Ham wrote: > > On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 21:19 +, Matthew Toseland wrote: > >> On 04/11/15 22:57, Bob Ham wrote: > >>> That's all helpful, thanks. However, I'm still not entirely sure which > >>> are the "fundament

Re: [freenet-dev] Fundamental problems in Freenet was Re: Links for Bob Ham

2015-11-05 Thread Matthew Toseland
On 05/11/15 22:21, Bob Ham wrote: > On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 21:19 +, Matthew Toseland wrote: >> On 04/11/15 22:57, Bob Ham wrote: >>> That's all helpful, thanks. However, I'm still not entirely sure which >>> are the "fundamental" problems Toad spoke of >> Okay, I will give some here, since peop

Re: [freenet-dev] Fundamental problems in Freenet was Re: Links for Bob Ham

2015-11-05 Thread Bob Ham
On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 21:19 +, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On 04/11/15 22:57, Bob Ham wrote: > > That's all helpful, thanks. However, I'm still not entirely sure which > > are the "fundamental" problems Toad spoke of > Okay, I will give some here, since people are being a bit more civil. > >

Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

2015-11-05 Thread Steve Dougherty
Sure, better late than never, and we do have more feedback now; thank you for seeking that out. I'm certainly planning to make changes based on this feedback, among them moving the donation bar this evening, but I'm also doing release manager things for Freenet and have a full-time job. On Thu, No

Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

2015-11-05 Thread Ian
By the way, I really don't mean to be harsh, you guys have done great work on the site, but in my experience listening to and acting on feedback is absolutely critical. It can be very difficult for the person that builds something to view it in the same way that other people do. In a different co

Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

2015-11-05 Thread Dan Roberts
I think much of the confusion can be rectified by removing the extra vertical space above the donation bar, which is a known issue (if nobody does it, I'm doing it this weekend). It sounds to me like the issue is essentially that users aren't seeing any content initially, just the donation bar. Al

Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

2015-11-05 Thread Ian
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Steve Dougherty wrote: > Noted. That sort of feedback would have been much more helpful back when > the redesign was in testing. > Better late than never. That feedback is partially based on external feedback - eg. the Reddit comments - which we didn't have back

Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

2015-11-05 Thread Steve Dougherty
Noted. That sort of feedback would have been much more helpful back when the redesign was in testing. On Thu, Nov 5, 2015, 4:36 PM Ian wrote: > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Steve Dougherty > wrote: > > > This site is already using Bootstrap. > > > > Really? It looks nothing like a typical B

Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

2015-11-05 Thread Ian
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Steve Dougherty wrote: > This site is already using Bootstrap. > Really? It looks nothing like a typical Bootstrap site. I think it might have been better to stick much more closely to the standard Bootstrap CSS (eg. light background). Ian.

Re: [freenet-dev] A bold idea for discussion: "Freenet 2"

2015-11-05 Thread Matthew Toseland
On 03/11/15 18:00, Ian wrote: > For those that appear to be craving a "bold new strategy", one thing I've > proposed in the past would be to put the main Freenet codebase in > "maintenance mode", and throw our resources behind http://tahrirproject.org/ > (possibly renaming it "Freenet 2" since Tahr

Re: [freenet-dev] Multiple implementations considered harmful was Re: Project Status

2015-11-05 Thread Matthew Toseland
On 03/11/15 21:07, Bob Ham wrote: > My argument is that what is most useful to the world is an ecosystem of > implementations of a well documented, robust protocol for > censorship-resistant publishing. That is not realistic for the time being IMHO. Primarily because users of Freenet have to run a

Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

2015-11-05 Thread Steve Dougherty
This site is already using Bootstrap. On Thu, Nov 5, 2015, 4:07 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > Thanks Arne. What do other people think of this feedback? > > Is there someone who is really willing to take ownership of getting the > website into shape, perhaps using these pieces of feedback as a starting

[freenet-dev] Fundamental problems in Freenet was Re: Links for Bob Ham

2015-11-05 Thread Matthew Toseland
On 04/11/15 22:57, Bob Ham wrote: > On Wed, 2015-11-04 at 07:49 -0500, Steve Dougherty wrote: >> On 11/04/2015 07:41 AM, Steve Dougherty wrote: >> ... >>> Did you see https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Research_challenges or the >>> section titled "Do we understand Freenet?" on toad's blog? > No I mis

Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

2015-11-05 Thread Ian Clarke
Thanks Arne. What do other people think of this feedback? Is there someone who is really willing to take ownership of getting the website into shape, perhaps using these pieces of feedback as a starting point? It will be a significant amount of work to address all of the points, but a well-desig

Re: [freenet-dev] Thoughts on website

2015-11-05 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Mittwoch, 4. November 2015, 22:56:40 schrieb Ian Clarke: > This person put quite a bit of time into providing feedback on the new > site. Probably not stuff we want to hear, but very valuable: > https://www.reddit.com/r/design_critiques/comments/3ri38h/we_recently_redesigned_our_website_would_l