Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html

2005-01-08 Thread Thomas Reid
As a user of screen reader software I would prefer plain text messages. However, I agree with the idea that those outside of the US and Europe or those without email clients should have the ability to participate in the DDN discussions. Is there a way to create a page on the DD.net site where thos

Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread Taran Rampersad
Tim Arnold wrote: > Taran, > > Keep in mind, that HTML formatted email does not automatically mean > images and other "web-pagey" things. When I compose a simple text > email in Mozilla Thunderbird, it sends as HTML. There are no images, > backgrounds, or anything. Just text, formatted with HTM

RE: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread Jesse N. Sinaiko
Ironically, it seems as if not allowing HTML, or going with plain test exclusively is, in the end, exclusionary. Along with creating more work for Andy it keeps some folks, especially as Andy put it in the Southern Hemisphere, from getting their messages onto the list. It seems to me that this al

RE: [DDN] "Vlogging"

2005-01-08 Thread Sandra Andrews
It would be very possible to create the vlogging software in such a way that it prompts for captioning (for people who can't hear it) and verbal descriptions (for people who can't see what is going on.) These technologies already exist elsewhere. It would also be possible to create a transcript

[DDN] possible resolution to the html/text issue

2005-01-08 Thread Andy Carvin
Hi everyone, We've tinkered with the list settings as best as we could, and here is where things stand. It appears that if you send a message that includes html and text, it'll strip out the html and send the text only. I believe most email browsers are configured like this. My previous message

[DDN] another admin test

2005-01-08 Thread Andy Carvin
Another test of the html-stripping tool, please ignore. -- --- Andy Carvin Program Director EDC Center for Media & Community acarvin @ edc . org http://www.digitaldivide.net http://www.tsunami-info.org Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com -

[DDN] U.S. schools lag behind in use of technology

2005-01-08 Thread Andy Carvin
From USA Today... -ac U.S. schools lag behind in use of technology Schools lag behind much of society in using technology, but students are seeing benefits and clamoring for more access to computers, the government says. Virtually all U.S. schools are connected to the Internet, with about one c

[DDN] admin test

2005-01-08 Thread Andy Carvin
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Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread John Hibbs
At 7:35 PM -0500 1/7/05, James Lerman wrote: I agree with Pam. I think many people don't know much about this at all. A primer for the neophyte would be excellent I think...don't just tell them not to send messages as HTML, tell them how not to and how to find out if they are. Jim Lerman Agree.

RE: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread BJT
I believe Andy's point is that the group would still get all the plain text messages... the policy change would simply allow those HTML messages in... these are the ones that don't currently go through, and that consume huge amounts of Andy's time. Allowing HTML doesn't stop the plain text and does

Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread Pamela McLean
Andy Carvin wrote: (snip) People are repeat offenders (snip) even if they switch it, they soon switch back to html (snip) Another concern (snip) free webmail clients overseas that don't allow you to toggle between html and text, so they're stuck with HTML and can't participate. So it looks like

Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread Stephen Snow
Well, if the software can do the heavy lifting, then it wouldn't matter *what* people did. That's probably easier inthe long run, Andy, than setting yourself up to bird-dog this or trying to explain to people "well, if you have this software, click here and then here" to do plain text. Pam is right

Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread Subbiah Arunachalam
Often one does not send messages in HTML by choice. What happens is one cuts and pastes from another source which may be in HTML. Arun ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To

Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread David P. Dillard
If I may be permitted to add to this that there are quite a few people with email accounts who either do not have internet access or whose internet access is very basic, including people with disabilities, and use of pine email and lynx browsers that are text based is the rule with many people. I

RE: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread AJ Mollo
I've recently been traveling to some remote areas in El Salvador, Bangladesh and India, and I've had no problem accessing HTML-format emails via equipment that is decidedly not state-of-the-art. I think you can safely change the policy. AJM ~~~ AJ Mollo & Associates Manag

[DDN] assessment of access to ICTs

2005-01-08 Thread John Hibbs
It could be this was already posted to the DD list? But in light of the size of the tragedy and the "silver lining" that might come out of this - narrowing of the divide by new communication adoption and access to - I thought it might be worth a second posting? --- SOURCE: CREATIVE RADI

[DDN] "Vlogging"

2005-01-08 Thread Charlie Meisch
Washington Post staff writers are at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Nevada, and Leslie Walker is blogging about some of the fun new tech stuff. Since we've been discussing Podcasting, I thought the video blogging or "Vlogging" piece would be of interest. I suppose it doesn't have

Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread Andy Carvin
Again, these are repeat offenders, many of whom I've explained exactly what to do to shut off their HTML. Sometimes they fix it temporarily but the next time they post their back to HTML. And for others, they're using obscure email tools that I have no way of knowing how to explain to them how

Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread John Hibbs
Hibbs' third cent: It's hard - and rare - to successfully argue with Bonnie Bracey, one very brilliant individual. It's important for a guy with Andy's skills to not waste time fixing things that no longer need fixing -- which also bends the case toward unlocking HTML gates. And if the visuall

Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread Andy Carvin
Hi Richard, One of the problems is that many list members have problems changing their software settings: I know lots of edtech professionals who still haven't managed to fix their settings, so we go through this every time they post (you know who you are ). Also, there are so many browser type

[DDN] DDN's Citizen Journalist community and podcasting

2005-01-08 Thread Andy Carvin
Hi everyone, A few weeks ago, Phil Shapiro set up a new community on the DDN website called Citizen Journalist: http://www.digitaldivide.net/community/citizenjournalist The community is about the role that the general public can play as citizen journalists, posting blogs, podcasts and other cont

Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread paolo
dear all, i join my small voice to the group of those who do *not* want html in their mailbox since i do not always have a good interent connection here in morocco. but i think bandwidth concerns are not the only ones: > 1. The majority of people who try to post in HTML on DDN are not in the > US

RE: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread Magar Matsuoka, Brigitte
posting in html is fine with me. ...Bri > -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Andy Carvin > Reply To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group > Sent: Friday, January 7, 2005 11:07 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing p

Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread Taran Rampersad
John Hibbs wrote: > Hibbs' third cent: It's hard - and rare - to successfully argue with > Bonnie Bracey, one very brilliant individual. Couldn't leave this alone. :-) When it comes to disagreeing with Bonnie, it's conservative to think you're wrong and work from there. :-) I haven't had a good d

Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread Taran Rampersad
My two cents: If someone really needs HTML for emphasis, there are plenty of resources to make it available through a link. Frankly, the second I see HTML in a message, my gut says 'SPAM'. While it may be pretty, the bottom line is really communication. What's really good about plain text is that

Re: [DDN] admin: thoughts on changing policy re: html messages

2005-01-08 Thread James Lerman
I agree with Pam. I think many people don't know much about this at all. A primer for the neophyte would be excellent I think...don't just tell them not to send messages as HTML, tell them how not to and how to find out if they are. Jim Lerman Pamela McLean wrote: Maybe people don't always und

[DDN] filling in your biographical profile on the DDN site

2005-01-08 Thread Phil Shapiro
hi everyone - earlier this week i heard from some reporters at the wall street journal and wired magazine who might be covering the new Digital Divide Network web site in upcoming articles. reporters visiting the site will be asking themselves the question: "who is here?" this is a good t