Beta D 2.071.1-b1

First beta for the 2.071.1 point release. A few issues remain to be fixed before the next beta. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.071.1.html Please report any bugs at https://issues.dlang.org -Martin

Re: Follow-up post explaining research rationale

On Friday, 13 May 2016 at 22:13:50 UTC, QAston wrote: Mainstream PL syntax is extremely unintuitive and poorly designed by known pedagogical, epistemological, and communicative science standards. The vast majority people who are introduced to programming do not pursue it (likely true of many

Re: Why doesn't this chain of ndslices work?

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 21:59:48 UTC, Stiff wrote: Here's the code that doesn't compile: import std.stdio, std.experimental.ndslice, std.range, std.algorithm; void main() { auto alloslice = [1, 2, 3, 4].sliced(1,4); auto sandwich = chain(alloslice,

Re: documented unit tests as examples

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 17:48:48 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: So anyway, I think perhaps the simplest solution is to make ddoc inject the writeln calls (or possibly replace assertions altogether in the output). The problem with replacing the assert is the loss of information.

Re: guard condition for a callable thingy, with THESE arguments

On Sunday, 15 May 2016 at 01:59:15 UTC, cy wrote: I take callbacks on occasion, and I don't really care if they're a delegate, or a function, or a callable object, and I can assert that in a template: void foo(Callable)(Callable callback) if(isSomeFunction!Callable || isCallable!Callable) {

guard condition for a callable thingy, with THESE arguments

I take callbacks on occasion, and I don't really care if they're a delegate, or a function, or a callable object, and I can assert that in a template: void foo(Callable)(Callable callback) if(isSomeFunction!Callable || isCallable!Callable) { ... } That works, but it doesn't show you what

Re: The Case Against Autodecode

On Friday, 13 May 2016 at 09:28:45 UTC, Chris wrote: PS I wonder does Bill Hicks know you're using his name? But I guess he's lost interest in this planet and happily lives on Mars now. Maybe I'm using the name to avoid being harassed. Or maybe, there are thousands of people in the world

Re: Speed up `dub`.

On Monday, 7 March 2016 at 09:18:37 UTC, ciechowoj wrote: I'm using `dub` to build project. And every time I run `dub` it seems to check if dependencies are up to date, which takes some time. Is there a way to switch of that checking? Or any other way to speed up building process? It really

[OT] Re: Github names & avatars

On Sunday, 15 May 2016 at 01:13:34 UTC, Bill Hicks wrote: [...snip] The problem with OT tags is that they require the poster to put them there.

Re: The Case Against Autodecode

On Friday, 13 May 2016 at 07:26:53 UTC, poliklosio wrote: Also, you are missing the point by claiming that a technical problem is sure to kill D. Note that very successful languages like C++, python and so on also have undergone heated discussions about various features, and often live

Re: Github names & avatars

On Sunday, 15 May 2016 at 01:13:34 UTC, Bill Hicks wrote: [...] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ECbHJhqn6M

Re: Github names & avatars

On Friday, 13 May 2016 at 21:10:09 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: I definitely think that having a visible presence on sites like stackoverflow and github is good, and if they have your real name (or something close to it) with your real photo, it's a lot easier to show that it's really you.

Re: Follow-up post explaining research rationale

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 23:42:33 UTC, Joe Duarte wrote: By "pointless" I mean they do no useful work. I agree, I like programs that are actually somewhat interesting. For example, for my simpledisplay.d, the two examples I shows are:

[Semi OT] deadalnix inspires a C++ dependency-based coroutine scheduler

Found on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/4jawhk/cosche_a_dependencybased_coroutine_scheduler_c/ The project: https://github.com/matovitch/cosche#cosche The author says "I got the idea of building this by watching an amazing conference from Amaury Sechet on the Stupid

Re: Follow-up post explaining research rationale

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 13:40:30 UTC, Chris wrote: On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 19:09:35 UTC, Joe Duarte wrote: [snip] Let me give you a sense of the sorts of issues I'm thinking of. Here is a C sample from ProgrammingSimplified.com. It finds the frequency of characters in a string: int

Re: Researcher question – what's the point of semicolons and curly braces?

On 05/15/2016 01:01 AM, Joe Duarte wrote: Good point that line-ending semicolons carry no information if they're on every line (I assume you meant semicolons instead of commas). [...] By the way, anyone should be able to create a version of C, D, or Go that doesn't use curly braces or

Re: Researcher question – what's the point of semicolons and curly braces?

On Tuesday, 3 May 2016 at 22:17:18 UTC, cym13 wrote: In my opinion putting commas at the end of a line is useless: if it happens at the end of each line (not counting closing-braces ones) then the effective quantity of information brought is null, and in more than one case chaining

Why doesn't this chain of ndslices work?

Here's the code that doesn't compile: import std.stdio, std.experimental.ndslice, std.range, std.algorithm; void main() { auto alloslice = [1, 2, 3, 4].sliced(1,4); auto sandwich = chain(alloslice, (0).repeat(8).sliced(2,4), alloslice);

Re: Always false float comparisons

On Monday, 9 May 2016 at 11:26:55 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: I wonder what's the difference between 1.30f and cast(float)1.30. There isn't one. I always saw type casting happening @ run-time and "literals" (pardon if that's not the correct term) to happen during compilation. I know that

Release candidate DUB 0.9.25-rc.1

rc.1 has been tagged and is available for download. Contains only a single fix regarding targetType none packages over beta.3. If no issues come up, this will be tagged as 0.9.25 next Sunday.

Re: Always false float comparisons

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 20:54:44 UTC, Binarydepth wrote: On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 20:41:12 UTC, Era Scarecrow wrote: writeln(f == 1.30f); writeln(cf == 1.30f); writeln(If == 1.30f); I guess this returned True ? I only noted the ones that returned false, since those are

[Issue 16022] [REG2.069] dmd assertion failure due to misplaced comma operator

https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16022 --- Comment #3 from github-bugzi...@puremagic.com --- Commits pushed to stable at https://github.com/dlang/dmd https://github.com/dlang/dmd/commit/dd3e980ca418b15d0e508ed3506276040f71e774 fix Issue 16022 - dmd assertion failure due to misplaced

Re: Always false float comparisons

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 20:41:12 UTC, Era Scarecrow wrote: writeln(f == 1.30f); writeln(cf == 1.30f); writeln(If == 1.30f); I guess this returned True ?

[Issue 16022] [REG2.069] dmd assertion failure due to misplaced comma operator

https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16022 github-bugzi...@puremagic.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED

Re: Always false float comparisons

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 01:26:18 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 5/13/2016 5:49 PM, Timon Gehr wrote: And even if higher precision helps, what good is a "precision-boost" that e.g. disappears on 64-bit builds and then creates inconsistent results? That's why I was thinking of putting in 128

Re: Command line parsing

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 04:34:06 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 5/13/16 2:27 PM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Thu, 2016-05-12 at 18:25 +, Jesse Phillips via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] unknown flags harder and displaying help challenging. So I'd like to see getopt merge

Re: Always false float comparisons

On 5/14/2016 11:46 AM, Walter Bright wrote: I used to design and build digital electronics out of TTL chips. Over time, TTL chips got faster and faster. The rule was to design the circuit with a minimum signal propagation delay, but never a maximum. Therefore, putting in faster parts will never

Re: Always false float comparisons

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 18:58:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Kahan designed the x87 and wrote the IEEE 754 standard, so I'd do my homework before telling him he is wrong about basic floating point stuff. You don't have to tell me who Kahan is. I don't see the relevance. You are trying to

Re: Github names & avatars

On 5/13/16, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote: > I'll ask again that the active Github users use their own name, and add to > that > if you could have a selfie as your github image. With some web apps like Slack (team chat software) each user can pick whether the

Re: Please mark off-topic discussions with [OT]

On 5/14/2016 9:31 AM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Saturday, May 14, 2016 13:27:17 ZombineDev via Digitalmars-d wrote: Or just unsubscribe those groups from github. dmd, for example, doesn't get messages from github anymore. I actually like having a mailing list that gets all

Re: Command line parsing

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 13:17:05 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I showed a fellow programmer std.getopt. We were both on laptops. He wanted to show me how good Python's argparse is and how D should copy it. By the end of the chat it was obvious argparse was much more verbose and less

Re: [OT] Re: Github names & avatars

On 5/13/2016 10:08 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Your name is your brand. Probably the most obvious example of this is Trump. Long before he got into politics, he understood his name was his brand, and never lost an opportunity promote his brand (and profit off of it). In fact, I stopped

[Issue 16025] mixin myTemplate should throw an error

https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16025 ag0ae...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||ag0ae...@gmail.com --- Comment #1 from

[Issue 16025] New: mixin myTemplate should throw an error

https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16025 Issue ID: 16025 Summary: mixin myTemplate should throw an error Product: D Version: D2 Hardware: x86_64 OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: enhancement

Re: Always false float comparisons

On 5/13/2016 10:52 PM, jmh530 wrote: I like the idea of a float type that is effectively the largest precision on your machine (the D real type). However, I could be convinced by the argument that you should have to opt-in for this and that internal calculations should not implicitly use it.

Re: Always false float comparisons

On 5/14/2016 3:16 AM, John Colvin wrote: This is all quite discouraging from a scientific programmers point of view. Precision is important, more precision is good, but reproducibility and predictability are critical. I used to design and build digital electronics out of TTL chips. Over time,

Re: Please mark off-topic discussions with [OT]

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 16:59:32 UTC, Chris wrote: I think Adam's suggestion is good. Just ignore things you're not interested in (although it can sometimes cost you €73, if you ignore threads ;) 73€ ? Do you talk about the free book ?

Re: Github names & avatars

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 15:57:43 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: There's always a risk of someone seeing what you post, not liking it, and reacting badly too it, and if that's your employer, you could be in trouble. But in general, when we're talking about stuff that relates to your

Re: Speed up `dub`.

On Monday, 7 March 2016 at 21:56:11 UTC, Seb wrote: Use ld.gold - it will speed up your linking quite dramatically! https://code.dawg.eu/reducing-vibed-turnaround-time-part-1-faster-linking.html Thanks, it improves things a little. However I've just had idea that it should be possible to

Re: Please mark off-topic discussions with [OT]

On Saturday, May 14, 2016 13:27:17 ZombineDev via Digitalmars-d wrote: > Or just unsubscribe those groups from github. dmd, for example, > doesn't get messages from github anymore. I actually like having a mailing list that gets all of those messages, though it really doesn't work to have it then

Re: Defining member fuctions of a class or struct out side of the class/struct body?

On Friday, May 13, 2016 18:41:16 Jamal via Digitalmars-d-learn wrote: > Warning D newb here. > > Is it possible to define a member function outside of the > class/struct like in C++; > > class x { body > void foo(int* i); > }; > > void x::foo(int* i){ > *i++; > } > > Or is it just D-like

Re: documented unit tests as examples

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 03:32:45PM +0200, Andrej Mitrovic via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...] > Add a new compiler switch (or better yet use a built-in version > switch) which makes all assertions chatty. > > So for a unittest like this: > > > auto sum (a, b) => a + b; > > /// > unittest {

Re: Github names & avatars

On 2016-05-13 19:02, Walter Bright wrote: I'll ask again that the active Github users use their own name, and add to that if you could have a selfie as your github image. I think it's confusing with inconsistency. For example, committing with an email address that doesn't match the ones

Re: Command line parsing

On Sat, 2016-05-14 at 15:14 +, Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] > Indeed, D's getopt is almost nothing like C's getopt aside from  > the name - it is a from-scratch implementation more inspired by  > Perl than by C. I claim then that Andrei misdirected me by asking about C

Re: Please mark off-topic discussions with [OT]

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 13:07:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: The thread "Github names & avatars" is not related to the D language, and adds much traffic to the forum. I have a better idea: add an ignore thread button to dfeed. If you see a thread or a post you don't care about, you

Re: Command line parsing

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 14:29:04 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: However if your use of getopt is different from that above, I can see that this argument is taking place by two people observing two completely different things, and is therefore not a discussion or an argument, but a point for a

Re: Researcher question – what's the point of semicolons and curly braces?

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 12:49:19 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote: there's a keyboard for those types of programs ;-) http://www.dyalog.com/uploads/images/Business/products/us_rc.jpg One of the things I do with my custom terminal emulator and text scripts is make those common unicode characters

Re: Please mark off-topic discussions with [OT]

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 14:41:06 UTC, ZombineDev wrote: On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 14:32:03 UTC, Mike James wrote: On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 13:07:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: The thread "Github names & avatars" is not related to the D language, and adds much traffic to the forum.

Re: Defining member fuctions of a class or struct out side of the class/struct body?

On 2016-05-13 20:41, Jamal wrote: Or is it just D-like to define everything inside the class/struct body? Yes, the D-way is to define everything directly inside the class/struct. -- /Jacob Carlborg

Re: Please mark off-topic discussions with [OT]

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 14:32:03 UTC, Mike James wrote: On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 13:07:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: The thread "Github names & avatars" is not related to the D language, and adds much traffic to the forum. Please place [OT] in title when posting anything that is

Re: Please mark off-topic discussions with [OT]

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 13:07:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: The thread "Github names & avatars" is not related to the D language, and adds much traffic to the forum. Please place [OT] in title when posting anything that is not releated to the D language. Thanks, Andrei A lot of

Re: Command line parsing

On Sat, 2016-05-14 at 16:17 +0300, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars- d wrote: […] > I showed a fellow programmer std.getopt. We were both on laptops. He  > wanted to show me how good Python's argparse is and how D should > copy  > it. By the end of the chat it was obvious argparse was much

Re: documented unit tests as examples

On 5/13/16, Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d wrote: > I'm wondering if we can have a mechanism for documented unit tests to > have a slightly different showing inside the docs vs. the actual unit test. > > For example, let's say we have a function writelnAssert.

Re: Please mark off-topic discussions with [OT]

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 13:22:09 UTC, Seb wrote: On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 13:16:56 UTC, ZombineDev wrote: On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 13:07:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: The thread "Github names & avatars" is not related to the D language, and adds much traffic to the forum. Please

Re: Please mark off-topic discussions with [OT]

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 13:16:56 UTC, ZombineDev wrote: On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 13:07:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: The thread "Github names & avatars" is not related to the D language, and adds much traffic to the forum. Please place [OT] in title when posting anything that is

Re: Please mark off-topic discussions with [OT]

On 5/14/16 4:16 PM, ZombineDev wrote: What do you think about promoting the Study group to the level of General, so we can use it for technical discussions and leave General for the rest? It has become clear to me we need to create one more forum. -- Andrei

Re: Command line parsing

On 5/14/16 10:44 AM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Sat, 2016-05-14 at 07:34 +0300, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars- d wrote: […] What are those and how are they better? -- Andrei C: argp, GNOME CLP C++ Clara, gtkmm CLP Python: argparse Groovy: Commons CLI wrapper … the list

Re: Please mark off-topic discussions with [OT]

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 13:07:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: The thread "Github names & avatars" is not related to the D language, and adds much traffic to the forum. Please place [OT] in title when posting anything that is not releated to the D language. Thanks, Andrei What do

Please mark off-topic discussions with [OT]

The thread "Github names & avatars" is not related to the D language, and adds much traffic to the forum. Please place [OT] in title when posting anything that is not releated to the D language. Thanks, Andrei

Re: Researcher question – what's the point of semicolons and curly braces?

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 03:19:51 UTC, Joe Duarte wrote: I've been going through a lot of Unicode, icon fonts, and the Noun Project, looking for clean and concise representations for program logic. One of the ideas I've been working with is to leverage Unicode arrows. In most cases it's

Re: polymorph.d: polymorphic refcounted wrappers for D structs

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 12:25:30 UTC, Lodovico Giaretta wrote: I wrote this small module ( https://github.com/lodo1995/polymorph.d ), taking inspiration from Amaury Sechet's great talk at DConf ( http://dconf.org/2016/talks/sechet.html ). Somewhat related are my lightweight variant

Re: polymorph.d: polymorphic refcounted wrappers for D structs

On 15/05/2016 12:25 AM, Lodovico Giaretta wrote: Hi, I wrote this small module ( https://github.com/lodo1995/polymorph.d ), taking inspiration from Amaury Sechet's great talk at DConf ( http://dconf.org/2016/talks/sechet.html ). I plan to use it in std.experimental.xml (

polymorph.d: polymorphic refcounted wrappers for D structs

Hi, I wrote this small module ( https://github.com/lodo1995/polymorph.d ), taking inspiration from Amaury Sechet's great talk at DConf ( http://dconf.org/2016/talks/sechet.html ). I plan to use it in std.experimental.xml ( https://github.com/lodo1995/experimental.xml ) for the DOM

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Re: Github names & avatars

On Friday, 13 May 2016 at 21:01:17 UTC, Meta wrote: On Friday, 13 May 2016 at 18:56:15 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: If some company won't hire you because you contributed code to D, I'd say you dodged a bullet working for such! When I was young, I worried about what other people thought of

Re: Command line parsing

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 04:34:06 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 5/13/16 2:27 PM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: getopt is a 1970s C solution to the problem of command line parsing. Most programming languages have moved on from getopt and created language-idiomatic solutions to

Re: The backlash against scripting languages has begun

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 09:59:47 UTC, Chris wrote: So why then do we have Go, C# and Rust? I believe we have Go because C++ was stagnant, but C++14 and beyond has become more favourable and Go is pushed into a speciality niche: light weight servers. We have C# because Java was taking

Re: documented unit tests as examples

On Friday, 13 May 2016 at 21:27:25 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: A potential way to fix this may be marking a unit test as being a complete example program that assumes the user has installed proper access to the library. Then it won't compile unless you add the correct imports, and it's

Re: Always false float comparisons

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 01:26:18 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Sometimes reproducibility/predictability is more important than maybe making fewer rounding errors sometimes. This includes reproducibility between CTFE and runtime. A more accurate answer should never cause your algorithm to

Re: The backlash against scripting languages has begun

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 07:09:00 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Friday, 13 May 2016 at 09:57:16 UTC, Chris wrote: "basing themselves on interpreted, slow languages that favoured ‘easy to learn’ over ‘easy to maintain’." "Easy to learn" often correlates with "easy to maintain". I

Re: Github names & avatars

I stick with my pseudonym. I don't go to great lengths to protect my identity. You could probably figure out my name and address if you really wanted to. The concern isn't so much the government, but other individuals doing harm to you. We live in a world which is very politically correct,

Re: Always false float comparisons

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 09:11:49 UTC, QAston wrote: On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 05:46:38 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: In Java all compile time constants are done using strict settings and it provides a keyword «strictfp» to get strict behaviour for a particular class/function. In java

Re: Always false float comparisons

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 05:46:38 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: In Java all compile time constants are done using strict settings and it provides a keyword «strictfp» to get strict behaviour for a particular class/function. In java everything used to be strictfp (and there was no

Re: Github names & avatars

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 08:24:32 UTC, Joakim wrote: taken it to now. It just means, "Stick to the technical topics," particularly in this forum, which is mostly feasible, but people have other interests too and discussions wander to the connected world. Without a clear moderation policy

Re: Github names & avatars

On 13 May 2016 at 19:18, Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On 5/13/16 1:02 PM, Walter Bright wrote: >> >> I'll ask again that the active Github users use their own name, and add >> to that if you could have a selfie as your github image. > > > Sorry,

Re: [OT] Re: Github names & avatars

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 at 05:08:29 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I honestly think this concern is overrated, sometimes to the extent it becomes a fallacy. The converse benefits of anonymity are also exaggerated in my opinion. You have nothing to fear because you didn't (and hopefully

Re: Github names & avatars

On Friday, 13 May 2016 at 22:18:18 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 5/13/2016 1:54 PM, Xinok wrote: I've known a couple people who had to apply for over 200-300 positions before they finally got a job in their field. Life isn't so convenient that we can pick and choose which job we want.

Re: Command line parsing

On Sat, 2016-05-14 at 07:34 +0300, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars- d wrote: > […] > What are those and how are they better? -- Andrei C: argp, GNOME CLP C++ Clara, gtkmm CLP Python: argparse Groovy: Commons CLI wrapper … the list is quite lengthy. A table of data declaring all the things.

Re: The backlash against scripting languages has begun

On Friday, 13 May 2016 at 09:57:16 UTC, Chris wrote: "basing themselves on interpreted, slow languages that favoured ‘easy to learn’ over ‘easy to maintain’." "Easy to learn" often correlates with "easy to maintain". I think you are referring more to static typing vs dynamic typing. Sure,

Re: How to split a string/array with multiple separators?

On Wednesday, 16 December 2015 at 15:27:22 UTC, Marc Schütz wrote: On Wednesday, 16 December 2015 at 14:47:26 UTC, Dragos Carp wrote: On Wednesday, 16 December 2015 at 14:18:28 UTC, Borislav Kosharov wrote: I want to split a string using multiple separators. In std.array the split function has

Re: Github names & avatars

On 05/13/2016 03:18 PM, Walter Bright wrote: Ironically, hiding contributions under a pseudonym may make one a less desirable candidate because nobody will know that you're any good. This. Being a well-known contributor to a prestigious project is a shortcut to better things. Yep. Ali