Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-18 Thread Bruno Medeiros
On 16/02/2011 17:54, Ulrik Mikaelsson wrote: 2011/2/16 Russel Winderrus...@russel.org.uk: Definitely the case. There can only be one repository that represents the official state of a given project. That isn't really the issue in the move from CVCS systems to DVCS systems. Just note

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-18 Thread Ulrik Mikaelsson
2011/2/17 Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+spam@com.gmail: Yeah, that's true. Some projects, the Linux kernel being one of the best examples, are more distributed in nature than not, in actual organizational terms. But projects like that are (and will remain) in the minority, a minority which

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-16 Thread Bruno Medeiros
On 11/02/2011 23:30, Walter Bright wrote: Bruno Medeiros wrote: but seriously, even if I am connected to the Internet I cannot code with my laptop only, I need it connected to a monitor, as well as a mouse, (and preferably a keyboard as well). I found I can't code on my laptop anymore; I am

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-16 Thread Bruno Medeiros
On 11/02/2011 18:31, Michel Fortin wrote: Ideally, if one wants to do push but the ancestor history is incomplete, the VCS would download from the central repository whatever revision/changeset information was missing. Actually, there's no central repository in Git. That stuff about DVCS

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-16 Thread Bruno Medeiros
On 11/02/2011 13:14, Jean Crystof wrote: Since you're a SVN advocate, please explain how well it works with 2500 GB of asset files? I'm not an SVN advocate. I have started using DVCSs over Subversion, and generally I agree they are better, but what I'm saying is that they are not all

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-16 Thread Russel Winder
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 14:51 +, Bruno Medeiros wrote: [ . . . ] That stuff about DVCS not having a central repository is another thing that is being said a lot, but is only true in a very shallow (and non-useful) way. Yes, in DVCS there are no more working copies as in Subversion, now

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-16 Thread Ulrik Mikaelsson
2011/2/16 Russel Winder rus...@russel.org.uk: Definitely the case.  There can only be one repository that represents the official state of a given project.  That isn't really the issue in the move from CVCS systems to DVCS systems. Just note that not all projects have a specific state

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-12 Thread Ulrik Mikaelsson
2011/2/11 Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+spam@com.gmail: On 09/02/2011 23:02, Ulrik Mikaelsson wrote: You don't happen to know about any projects of this kind in any other VCS that can be practically tested, do you? You mean a project like that, hosted in Subversion or CVS (so that you can

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-11 Thread Bruno Medeiros
On 09/02/2011 23:02, Ulrik Mikaelsson wrote: 2011/2/9 Bruno Medeirosbrunodomedeiros+spam@com.gmail: It's unlikely you will see converted repositories with a lot of changing blob data. DVCS, at the least in the way they work currently, simply kill this workflow/organization-pattern. I very much

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-11 Thread Bruno Medeiros
of the purposes of a distributed VCS, like being able to work offline. I know, and I personally don't care that much, in fact I find this benefit of DVCS has been overvalued way out of proportion. Does anyone do any serious coding while being offline for an extended period of time? Some people

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-11 Thread Jean Crystof
Bruno Medeiros Wrote: On 09/02/2011 23:02, Ulrik Mikaelsson wrote: 2011/2/9 Bruno Medeirosbrunodomedeiros+spam@com.gmail: It's unlikely you will see converted repositories with a lot of changing blob data. DVCS, at the least in the way they work currently, simply kill this workflow

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-11 Thread Michel Fortin
On 2011-02-11 08:05:27 -0500, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+spam@com.gmail said: On 09/02/2011 14:27, Michel Fortin wrote: On 2011-02-09 07:49:31 -0500, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+spam@com.gmail said: I was about to say Cool!, but then I checked the doc on that link and it says: A

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-11 Thread Walter Bright
Bruno Medeiros wrote: but seriously, even if I am connected to the Internet I cannot code with my laptop only, I need it connected to a monitor, as well as a mouse, (and preferably a keyboard as well). I found I can't code on my laptop anymore; I am too used to and needful of a large

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-10 Thread nedbrek
Hello all, Michel Fortin michel.for...@michelf.com wrote in message news:iiu8dm$10te$1...@digitalmars.com... On 2011-02-09 07:49:31 -0500, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+spam@com.gmail said: On 04/02/2011 20:11, Michel Fortin wrote: On 2011-02-04 11:12:12 -0500, Bruno Medeiros

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-09 Thread Bruno Medeiros
of which are not neglectable yet. My project at work could easily have gone to 1Gb of repo size if in the last year or so it has been stored on a DVCS! :S I hope this gets addressed at some point. But I fear that the main developers of both Git and Mercurial may be too biased to experience

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-09 Thread Bruno Medeiros
On 04/02/2011 20:11, Michel Fortin wrote: On 2011-02-04 11:12:12 -0500, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+spam@com.gmail said: Can Git really have an usable but incomplete local clone? Yes, it's called a shallow clone. See the --depth switch of git clone:

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-09 Thread Michel Fortin
On 2011-02-09 07:49:31 -0500, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+spam@com.gmail said: On 04/02/2011 20:11, Michel Fortin wrote: On 2011-02-04 11:12:12 -0500, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+spam@com.gmail said: Can Git really have an usable but incomplete local clone? Yes, it's called a

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-09 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
be a problem. But it might not be the case for other projects (also considering that binary data is usually already well compressed, like .zip, .jpg, .mp3, .ogg, etc., so VCS compression won't help much). It's unlikely you will see converted repositories with a lot of changing blob data. DVCS

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-09 Thread Ulrik Mikaelsson
2011/2/9 Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+spam@com.gmail: It's unlikely you will see converted repositories with a lot of changing blob data. DVCS, at the least in the way they work currently, simply kill this workflow/organization-pattern. I very much suspect this issue will become more

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-06 Thread Ulrik Mikaelsson
project at work could easily have gone to 1Gb of repo size if in the last year or so it has been stored on a DVCS! :S I hope this gets addressed at some point. But I fear that the main developers of both Git and Mercurial may be too biased to experience projects which are typically somewhat small

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-04 Thread Bruno Medeiros
copies of the repository, or cloning it from the internet (and the associated transfer times), both of which are not neglectable yet. My project at work could easily have gone to 1Gb of repo size if in the last year or so it has been stored on a DVCS! :S I hope this gets addressed at some point

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-02 Thread David Nadlinger
On 2/2/11 3:17 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: Bleh. I tried to use Git to update some of the doc files, but getting the thing to work will be a miracle. git can't find the public keys unless I use msysgit. Great. How exactly do I cd to D:\ ? If you are new to Git or SSH, the folks at GitHub have

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-02 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Andrej Mitrovic wrote: Bleh. I tried to use Git to update some of the doc files, but getting the thing to work will be a miracle. git can't find the public keys unless I use msysgit. Great. How exactly do I cd to D:\ ? So I try git-gui. Seems to work fine, I clone the forked repo and make

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-01 Thread Bruno Medeiros
On 29/01/2011 10:02, Jérôme M. Berger wrote: Michel Fortin wrote: On 2011-01-28 11:29:49 -0500, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+spam@com.gmail said: I've also been mulling over whether to try out and switch away from Subversion to a DVCS, but never went ahead cause I've also been undecided

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-01 Thread David Nadlinger
On 2/1/11 2:44 PM, Bruno Medeiros wrote: […] a direct association between each revision in the source code projects, and the corresponding revision in the dependencies project. […] With Git, you could use submodules for that task – I don't know if something similar exists for Mercurial.

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-01 Thread foobar
Bruno Medeiros Wrote: On 29/01/2011 10:02, Jérôme M. Berger wrote: Michel Fortin wrote: On 2011-01-28 11:29:49 -0500, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+spam@com.gmail said: I've also been mulling over whether to try out and switch away from Subversion to a DVCS, but never went ahead

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-01 Thread Walter Bright
Bruno Medeiros wrote: A more serious issue that I learned (or rather forgotten about before and remembered now) is the whole DVCSes keep the whole repository history locally aspect, which has important ramifications. If the repository is big, although disk space may not be much of an issue,

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-01 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Tuesday, February 01, 2011 15:07:58 Walter Bright wrote: Bruno Medeiros wrote: A more serious issue that I learned (or rather forgotten about before and remembered now) is the whole DVCSes keep the whole repository history locally aspect, which has important ramifications. If the

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-01 Thread Brad Roberts
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Walter Bright wrote: Bruno Medeiros wrote: A more serious issue that I learned (or rather forgotten about before and remembered now) is the whole DVCSes keep the whole repository history locally aspect, which has important ramifications. If the repository is big,

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-01 Thread Walter Bright
Brad Roberts wrote: Ie, essentially negligable. Yeah, and I caught myself worrying about the disk usage from having two clones of the git repository (one for D1, the other for D2).

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-01 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
Bleh. I tried to use Git to update some of the doc files, but getting the thing to work will be a miracle. git can't find the public keys unless I use msysgit. Great. How exactly do I cd to D:\ ? So I try git-gui. Seems to work fine, I clone the forked repo and make a few changes. I try to

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-01 Thread Brad Roberts
On 2/1/2011 6:17 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: Bleh. I tried to use Git to update some of the doc files, but getting the thing to work will be a miracle. git can't find the public keys unless I use msysgit. Great. How exactly do I cd to D:\ ? So I try git-gui. Seems to work fine, I clone the

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-01 Thread Walter Bright
Andrej Mitrovic wrote: I don't know what to say.. Git is a Linux program and will never work right on Windows. The problems you're experiencing are classic ones I find whenever I attempt to use a Linux program that has been ported to Windows.

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-01 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 2/2/11, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: Andrej Mitrovic wrote: I don't know what to say.. Git is a Linux program and will never work right on Windows. The problems you're experiencing are classic ones I find whenever I attempt to use a Linux program that has been ported

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-01 Thread Brad Roberts
On 2/1/2011 7:55 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 2/2/11, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: Andrej Mitrovic wrote: I don't know what to say.. Git is a Linux program and will never work right on Windows. The problems you're experiencing are classic ones I find whenever I attempt

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-01 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 2/2/11, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: I've noticed you have Version Control with Git listed in your list of books. Did you just buy that recently, or were you secretly planning to switch to Git at the instant someone mentioned it? :p

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-01 Thread Walter Bright
Andrej Mitrovic wrote: Is this why you've made your own version of make and microemacs for Windows? I honestly can't blame you. :) Microemacs floated around the intarnets for free back in the 80's, and I liked it because it was very small, fast, and customizable. Having an editor that fit in

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-01 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 2/2/11, Andrej Mitrovic andrej.mitrov...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/2/11, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: ...listed in your list... Crap.. I just made a 2-dimensional book list by accident. My bad.

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-02-01 Thread Walter Bright
Andrej Mitrovic wrote: I've noticed you have Version Control with Git listed in your list of books. Did you just buy that recently, or were you secretly planning to switch to Git at the instant someone mentioned it? :p I listed it recently.

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-29 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Michel Fortin wrote: On 2011-01-28 11:29:49 -0500, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+spam@com.gmail said: I've also been mulling over whether to try out and switch away from Subversion to a DVCS, but never went ahead cause I've also been undecided about Git vs. Mercurial. So this whole

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-28 Thread Bruno Medeiros
On 16/01/2011 19:38, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/15/11 10:47 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Daniel Gibsonmetalcae...@gmail.com wrote in message news:igtq08$2m1c$1...@digitalmars.com... There's two reasons it's good for games: 1. Like you indicated, to get a better framerate. Framerate is more

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-28 Thread Bruno Medeiros
On 16/01/2011 04:47, Nick Sabalausky wrote: There's two reasons it's good for games: 1. Like you indicated, to get a better framerate. Framerate is more important in most games than resolution. This reason was valid at least at some point in time, for me it actually hold me back from

DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-28 Thread Bruno Medeiros
On 06/01/2011 19:19, Jérôme M. Berger wrote: Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: What are the advantages of Mercurial over git? (git does allow multiple branches.) I've also been mulling over whether to try out and switch away from Subversion to a DVCS, but never went ahead cause I've also been

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-28 Thread Eric Poggel
On 1/12/2011 6:41 PM, Walter Bright wrote: All semiconductors have a lifetime that is measured by the area under the curve of their temperature over time. Oddly enough, milk has the same behavior.

Re: DVCS vs. Subversion brittleness (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-28 Thread Michel Fortin
On 2011-01-28 11:29:49 -0500, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+spam@com.gmail said: I've also been mulling over whether to try out and switch away from Subversion to a DVCS, but never went ahead cause I've also been undecided about Git vs. Mercurial. So this whole discussion here in the NG has

Re: DVCS

2011-01-22 Thread Walter Bright
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/22/11 12:35 AM, Walter Bright wrote: Phobos1 on 10.10 is dying in its unit tests because Ubuntu changed how gcc's strtof() works. Erratic floating point is typical of C runtime library implementations (the transcendentals are often sloppily done), which is why

Re: easy to upgrade OS (was Re: DVCS)

2011-01-22 Thread Walter Bright
Gour wrote: I'm very seriously considering to put PC-BSD on my desktop and of several others in order to reduce my admin-time required to maint. all those machines. OSX is the only OS (besides DOS) I've had that had painless upgrades. Windows upgrades never ever work in place (at least not

Re: DVCS

2011-01-22 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 08:35:55 +0200, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: The only real problem I've run into (so far) is the sunbird calendar has been unceremoniously dumped from Ubuntu. The data file for it is in some crappy binary format, so poof, there goes all my calendar

Re: DVCS

2011-01-22 Thread spir
On 01/22/2011 07:35 AM, Walter Bright wrote: I finally did do it, but as a clean install. I found an old 160G drive, wiped it, and installed 10.10 on it. (Amusingly, the About Ubuntu box says it's version 11.04, and /etc/issue says it's 10.10.) Same for me ;-) _ vita es estrany

Re: easy to upgrade OS (was Re: DVCS)

2011-01-22 Thread spir
On 01/22/2011 09:58 AM, Walter Bright wrote: Gour wrote: I'm very seriously considering to put PC-BSD on my desktop and of several others in order to reduce my admin-time required to maint. all those machines. OSX is the only OS (besides DOS) I've had that had painless upgrades. Windows

Re: DVCS

2011-01-22 Thread spir
On 01/22/2011 10:34 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 08:35:55 +0200, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: The only real problem I've run into (so far) is the sunbird calendar has been unceremoniously dumped from Ubuntu. The data file for it is in some crappy binary

Re: easy to upgrade OS (was Re: DVCS)

2011-01-22 Thread retard
Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:58:59 -0800, Walter Bright wrote: Gour wrote: I'm very seriously considering to put PC-BSD on my desktop and of several others in order to reduce my admin-time required to maint. all those machines. OSX is the only OS (besides DOS) I've had that had painless upgrades.

Re: easy to upgrade OS (was Re: DVCS)

2011-01-22 Thread Christopher Nicholson-Sauls
On 01/22/11 03:57, spir wrote: On 01/22/2011 09:58 AM, Walter Bright wrote: Gour wrote: I'm very seriously considering to put PC-BSD on my desktop and of several others in order to reduce my admin-time required to maint. all those machines. OSX is the only OS (besides DOS) I've had that had

Re: easy to upgrade OS (was Re: DVCS)

2011-01-22 Thread Daniel Gibson
Am 22.01.2011 13:21, schrieb retard: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:58:59 -0800, Walter Bright wrote: Gour wrote: I'm very seriously considering to put PC-BSD on my desktop and of several others in order to reduce my admin-time required to maint. all those machines. OSX is the only OS (besides DOS)

Re: easy to upgrade OS (was Re: DVCS)

2011-01-22 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 1/22/11, Christopher Nicholson-Sauls ibisbase...@gmail.com wrote: If it was possible to do the same with OS X, I would. (Anyone know a little trick for that, using VirtualBox?) No, that is illegal! But you might want to do a google search for *cough* iDeneb *cough* and download vmware

Re: easy to upgrade OS (was Re: DVCS)

2011-01-22 Thread Daniel Gibson
Am 22.01.2011 17:36, schrieb Andrej Mitrovic: On 1/22/11, Christopher Nicholson-Saulsibisbase...@gmail.com wrote: If it was possible to do the same with OS X, I would. (Anyone know a little trick for that, using VirtualBox?) No, that is illegal! But you might want to do a google search

Re: easy to upgrade OS (was Re: DVCS)

2011-01-22 Thread Walter Bright
retard wrote: Ubuntu doesn't drop support for widely used software. I'd use Google's Calendar instead. I'm really not interested in Google owning my private data.

Re: DVCS

2011-01-22 Thread Walter Bright
Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://brizoma.wordpress.com/2010/05/04/sunbird-and-lightning-removed-from-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx/ Thanks for finding that. But I think I'll stick for now with the ipod's calendar. It's more useful anyway, as it moves with me.

Re: DVCS

2011-01-22 Thread retard
Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:12:26 -0800, Walter Bright wrote: Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://brizoma.wordpress.com/2010/05/04/sunbird-and-lightning-removed- from-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx/ Thanks for finding that. But I think I'll stick for now with the ipod's calendar. It's more useful anyway, as

Re: easy to upgrade OS (was Re: DVCS)

2011-01-22 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 1/22/11 3:03 PM, Walter Bright wrote: retard wrote: Ubuntu doesn't drop support for widely used software. I'd use Google's Calendar instead. I'm really not interested in Google owning my private data. Google takes email privacy very seriously. Only last week they fired an employee for

Re: DVCS

2011-01-22 Thread Daniel Gibson
Am 22.01.2011 22:31, schrieb retard: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:12:26 -0800, Walter Bright wrote: Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://brizoma.wordpress.com/2010/05/04/sunbird-and-lightning-removed- from-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx/ Thanks for finding that. But I think I'll stick for now with the ipod's

Re: DVCS

2011-01-22 Thread Walter Bright
Daniel Gibson wrote: And is the support for the graphics chip better, i.e. can you use full resolution? Yes, it recognized my resolution automatically. That's a nice improvement.

Re: easy to upgrade OS (was Re: DVCS)

2011-01-22 Thread Walter Bright
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Google takes email privacy very seriously. Only last week they fired an employee for snooping through someone else's email. http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/14/google-engineer-spying-fired/ That's good to know. On the other hand, Google keeps information forever.

Re: DVCS

2011-01-22 Thread Walter Bright
retard wrote: Does the new Ubuntu overall work better than the old one? Would be amazing if the media players are still all broken. I haven't tried the sound yet, but the video playback definitely is better. Though the whole screen flashes now and then, like the video mode is being reset

Re: DVCS

2011-01-22 Thread retard
Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:47:48 -0800, Walter Bright wrote: retard wrote: Does the new Ubuntu overall work better than the old one? Would be amazing if the media players are still all broken. I haven't tried the sound yet, but the video playback definitely is better. Though the whole screen

Re: DVCS

2011-01-21 Thread Walter Bright
Gour wrote: Otoh, with Ubuntu, upgrade from 8.10 to 10.10 is always a major undertaking (I'm familiar with it since '99 when I used SuSE and had experience with deps hell.) I finally did do it, but as a clean install. I found an old 160G drive, wiped it, and installed 10.10 on it.

Re: DVCS

2011-01-21 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 1/22/11 12:35 AM, Walter Bright wrote: Phobos1 on 10.10 is dying in its unit tests because Ubuntu changed how gcc's strtof() works. Erratic floating point is typical of C runtime library implementations (the transcendentals are often sloppily done), which is why more and more Phobos uses its

easy to upgrade OS (was Re: DVCS)

2011-01-21 Thread Gour
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:35:55 -0800 Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: Hello Walter, I finally did do it, but as a clean install. I found an old 160G drive, wiped it, and installed 10.10 on it. (Amusingly, the About Ubuntu box says it's version 11.04, and /etc/issue says it's

Re: DVCS

2011-01-20 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On 01/20/2011 12:24 AM, Gour wrote: I've feeling that you just copied the above from FAQ and never actually tried Archlinux. No, I haven't tried it. I'm not going to try every OS that comes down the pike. If the FAQ says that you're going to have to be more of an expert with your system,

Re: DVCS

2011-01-20 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Thursday 20 January 2011 03:39:08 Jeff Nowakowski wrote: On 01/20/2011 12:24 AM, Gour wrote: I've feeling that you just copied the above from FAQ and never actually tried Archlinux. No, I haven't tried it. I'm not going to try every OS that comes down the pike. If the FAQ says that

Re: DVCS

2011-01-20 Thread Gour
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:39:08 -0500 Jeff Nowakowski j...@dilacero.org wrote: No, I haven't tried it. I'm not going to try every OS that comes down the pike. Then please, without any offense, do not give advises about something which you did not try. I did use Ubuntu... So instead of giving

Re: DVCS

2011-01-20 Thread Andrew Wiley
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Jeff Nowakowski j...@dilacero.org wrote: On 01/20/2011 12:24 AM, Gour wrote: Otoh, with Ubuntu, upgrade from 8.10 to 10.10 is always a major undertaking (I'm familiar with it since '99 when I used SuSE and had experience with deps hell.) Highlighting the

Re: DVCS

2011-01-20 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On 01/20/2011 07:33 AM, Gour wrote: On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:39:08 -0500 Jeff Nowakowskij...@dilacero.org wrote: No, I haven't tried it. I'm not going to try every OS that comes down the pike. Then please, without any offense, do not give advises about something which you did not try. I did

Re: DVCS

2011-01-20 Thread Gour
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:19:54 -0500 Jeff Nowakowski j...@dilacero.org wrote: Please yourself. I quoted from the FAQ from the distribution's main site. If that's wrong, then Arch has a big public relations problem. Arch simply does not offer false promises that system will Just work. Still, I

Re: DVCS

2011-01-20 Thread retard
Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:33:58 +0100, Gour wrote: On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:39:08 -0500 Jeff Nowakowski j...@dilacero.org wrote: No, I haven't tried it. I'm not going to try every OS that comes down the pike. Then please, without any offense, do not give advises about something which you did

Re: DVCS

2011-01-20 Thread arch 4 ever
Jeff Nowakowski Wrote: On 01/20/2011 07:33 AM, Gour wrote: On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:39:08 -0500 Jeff Nowakowskij...@dilacero.org wrote: No, I haven't tried it. I'm not going to try every OS that comes down the pike. Then please, without any offense, do not give advises about

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-19 Thread Walter Bright
KennyTM~ wrote: You should use LF ending, not CRLF ending. I never thought of that. Fixing that, it gets further, but still innumerable errors: walter@mercury:~$ ./buildmeld [sudo] password for walter: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-19 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:11:07 +0200, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: KennyTM~ wrote: You should use LF ending, not CRLF ending. I never thought of that. Fixing that, it gets further, but still innumerable errors: If apt-get update doesn't fix it, only an update will -

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-19 Thread Walter Bright
Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:11:07 +0200, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: KennyTM~ wrote: You should use LF ending, not CRLF ending. I never thought of that. Fixing that, it gets further, but still innumerable errors: If apt-get update doesn't fix it,

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-19 Thread retard
Wed, 19 Jan 2011 03:11:07 -0800, Walter Bright wrote: KennyTM~ wrote: You should use LF ending, not CRLF ending. I never thought of that. Fixing that, it gets further, but still innumerable errors: [snip] I already told you in message digitalmars.d:126586 ..your Ubuntu version isn't

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-19 Thread retard
Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:15:54 +, retard wrote: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 03:11:07 -0800, Walter Bright wrote: KennyTM~ wrote: You should use LF ending, not CRLF ending. I never thought of that. Fixing that, it gets further, but still innumerable errors: [snip] I already told you in

Re: DVCS

2011-01-19 Thread Gour
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:15:54 + (UTC) retard r...@tard.com.invalid wrote: ..your Ubuntu version isn't supported anymore. They might have already removed the package repositories for unsupported versions and that might indeed lead to problems That's why we wrote it would be better to use

Re: DVCS

2011-01-19 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:18:13 +0200, Gour g...@atmarama.net wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:15:54 + (UTC) retard r...@tard.com.invalid wrote: ..your Ubuntu version isn't supported anymore. They might have already removed the package repositories for unsupported versions and that might indeed

Re: DVCS

2011-01-19 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On 01/19/2011 04:18 PM, Gour wrote: That's why we wrote it would be better to use some rolling release like Archlinux where distro cannot become so outdated that it's not possible to upgrade easily. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/FAQ : Q) Why would I not want to use Arch? A) [...] you

Re: DVCS

2011-01-19 Thread Gary Whatmore
Jeff Nowakowski Wrote: On 01/19/2011 04:18 PM, Gour wrote: That's why we wrote it would be better to use some rolling release like Archlinux where distro cannot become so outdated that it's not possible to upgrade easily. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/FAQ : Q) Why would I

Re: DVCS

2011-01-19 Thread Gour
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:28:43 -0500 Jeff Nowakowski j...@dilacero.org wrote: Q) Why would I not want to use Arch? A) [...] you do not have the ability/time/desire for a 'do-ityourself' GNU/Linux distribution I've feeling that you just copied the above from FAQ and never actually tried

Re: DVCS

2011-01-19 Thread Gour
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:57:46 -0500 Gary Whatmore n...@spam.sp wrote: This is something the Gentoo and Arch fanboys don't get. First of all I spent 5yrs with Gentoo before jumping to Arch and those are really two different beasts. With Arch I practically have zero-admin time after I did my 1st

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-18 Thread Robert Clipsham
On 18/01/11 01:09, Brad Roberts wrote: On Mon, 17 Jan 2011, Walter Bright wrote: Robert Clipsham wrote: Speaking of which, are you able to remove the The Software was not designed to operate after December 31, 1999 sentence at all, or does that require you to mess around contacting symantec?

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-18 Thread Johann MacDonagh
On 1/16/2011 5:07 PM, Walter Bright wrote: We'll be moving dmd, phobos, druntime, and the docs to Github shortly. The accounts are set up, it's just a matter of getting the svn repositories moved and figuring out how it all works. I know very little about git and github, but the discussions

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-18 Thread Walter Bright
Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 00:34:19 +0200, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: Yeah, I could spend an afternoon doing that. sudo apt-get build-dep meld wget http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/meld/1.5/meld-1.5.0.tar.bz2 tar jxf meld-1.5.0.tar.bz2 cd

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-18 Thread KennyTM~
On Jan 19, 11 13:38, Walter Bright wrote: Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 00:34:19 +0200, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: Yeah, I could spend an afternoon doing that. sudo apt-get build-dep meld wget

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-17 Thread Robert Clipsham
On 17/01/11 06:25, Walter Bright wrote: Daniel Gibson wrote: How will the licensing issue (forks of the dmd backend are only allowed with your permission) be solved? It shouldn't be a problem as long as those forks are for the purpose of developing patches to the main branch, as is done now

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-17 Thread Walter Bright
Robert Clipsham wrote: Speaking of which, are you able to remove the The Software was not designed to operate after December 31, 1999 sentence at all, or does that require you to mess around contacting symantec? Not that anyone reads it, it is kind of off putting to see that over a decade

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-17 Thread Robert Clipsham
On 17/01/11 20:29, Walter Bright wrote: Robert Clipsham wrote: Speaking of which, are you able to remove the The Software was not designed to operate after December 31, 1999 sentence at all, or does that require you to mess around contacting symantec? Not that anyone reads it, it is kind of off

Re: HT SMART (was Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D))

2011-01-17 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Nick Sabalausky wrote: J�r�me M. Berger jeber...@free.fr wrote in message news:iguask$1dur$1...@digitalmars.com... Simple curiosity: what do you use for SMART monitoring on Windows? I use smard (same as Linux) but where I am reasonably confident that on Linux it will email me if it detects

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-17 Thread Brad Roberts
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011, Walter Bright wrote: Robert Clipsham wrote: Speaking of which, are you able to remove the The Software was not designed to operate after December 31, 1999 sentence at all, or does that require you to mess around contacting symantec? Not that anyone reads it, it is kind

HT SMART (was Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D))

2011-01-16 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Nick Sabalausky wrote: retard r...@tard.com.invalid wrote in message Hard drives: these always fail, sooner or later. There's nothing you can do except RAID and backups And SMART monitors: I've had a total of two HDD's fail, and in both cases I really lucked out. The first one was in

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-16 Thread retard
Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:56:34 +0100, Lutger Blijdestijn wrote: Nick Sabalausky wrote: Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote in message news:igt2pl$2u6e$1...@digitalmars.com... On 1/15/11 2:23 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: I still use CRTs (one big reason being that I hate the

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-16 Thread retard
Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:47:09 -0500, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Bumping up to a higher resolution can be good when dealing with images, or whenever you're doing anything that could use more screen real-estate at the cost of smaller UI elements. And CRTs are more likely to go up to really high

Re: DVCS (was Re: Moving to D)

2011-01-16 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
I need to get a better LCD/LED display one of these days. Right now I'm sporting a Samsung 2232BW, it's a 22 screen with a native 1680x1050 resolution (16:10). But it has horrible text rendering when antialiasing is enabled. I've tried a bunch of screen calibration software, changing DPI settings,

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