Walter Bright wrote:
yigal chripun wrote:
Lars T. Kyllingstad Wrote:
yigal chripun wrote:
Either you need to have a plan or you need to have a community
driven process (Java JSRs, Python PEPs).
There is a similar option for D, although it doesn't have a fancy
abbreviation: You can put
Walter Bright Wrote:
yigal chripun wrote:
Lars T. Kyllingstad Wrote:
yigal chripun wrote:
Either you need to have a plan or you need to have a community
driven process (Java JSRs, Python PEPs).
There is a similar option for D, although it doesn't have a fancy
abbreviation: You
Christian Kamm wrote:
Jason House wrote:
there's already someone working on getting that patch into gdb. I've been
trying lately to play with the dmd -gc output so that gdb recognizes it
properly. I'm not very far, and my queries in #gdb have gone unanswered
:(
You could also try
Walter Bright Wrote:
Kagamin wrote:
If I recall it right there are bugs blocking tango port.
I've fixed all the bugs identified by the Tango team as blocking Tango2.
If there are more, please give me the bugzilla numbers.
I may have an outdated info, I don't track the subject.
Lars T. Kyllingstad Wrote:
yigal chripun wrote:
Either you need to have a plan or you need to have a community driven
process (Java JSRs, Python PEPs).
There is a similar option for D, although it doesn't have a fancy
abbreviation: You can put enhancement requests in Bugzilla and get
davidl wrote:
?? Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:36:16 +0800??Walter Bright
newshou...@digitalmars.com :
yigal chripun wrote:
blocking bugs that affect tango for D2,
Please let me know the Bugzilla numbers for these.
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3071 //i'm not sure if
this
yigal chripun wrote:
Lars T. Kyllingstad Wrote:
yigal chripun wrote:
Either you need to have a plan or you need to have a community
driven process (Java JSRs, Python PEPs).
There is a similar option for D, although it doesn't have a fancy
abbreviation: You can put enhancement requests in
Walter Bright wrote:
For a more recent example, 3122 contained a patch that was marked as
complete and tested, but it had two serious bugs (did not check that a
filename was supplied, and did not check for file write errors) and an
unnecessary hardcoded OS dependency (on path lengths). These
Tom S wrote:
Guilty as charged. Sorry about that. I didn't consider the case where
someone would not provide a file name and didn't realize that write
errors were an issue in this case. I guess I'm used to I/O code throwing
exceptions when something goes wrong ;)
The MAX_PATH+2 was probably
Walter Bright Wrote:
My general experience with posted compiler patches is about half of them
are good, the other half are incorrect and require more
for the bad half, do you comment in the bug reports about why you think the
patches are bad?
Jason House wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
My general experience with posted compiler patches is about half of them
are good, the other half are incorrect and require more
for the bad half, do you comment in the bug reports about why you think the patches are bad?
Sometimes, but not usually.
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, Walter Bright wrote:
Jason House wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
My general experience with posted compiler patches is about half of them
are good, the other half are incorrect and require more
for the bad half, do you comment in the bug reports about why you
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:55:56 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
Jason House wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
My general experience with posted compiler patches is about half of them
are good, the other half are incorrect and require more
for the bad half, do you comment in the bug reports about why
Walter Bright Wrote:
Jason House wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
My general experience with posted compiler patches is about half of them
are good, the other half are incorrect and require more
for the bad half, do you comment in the bug reports about why you think the
patches are
Jason House wrote:
Silence is frequently mistaken for apathy. Responses to bug reports
generate a lot of good will and encourages further help from the
community. Bugs open for years with no comments have the opposite
effect...
Look at the changelog - there's regular and significant progress
Walter Bright Wrote:
Jason House wrote:
Silence is frequently mistaken for apathy. Responses to bug reports
generate a lot of good will and encourages further help from the
community. Bugs open for years with no comments have the opposite
effect...
Look at the changelog - there's
Jason House wrote:
there's already someone working on getting that patch into gdb.
Great!
I've
been trying lately to play with the dmd -gc output so that gdb
recognizes it properly.
dumpobj will pretty-print the compiler debug output. It's a handy tool.
I'm not very far, and my queries
Walter Bright Wrote:
Jason House wrote:
there's already someone working on getting that patch into gdb.
Great!
I've
been trying lately to play with the dmd -gc output so that gdb
recognizes it properly.
dumpobj will pretty-print the compiler debug output. It's a handy tool.
Any
Jason House wrote:
there's already someone working on getting that patch into gdb. I've been
trying lately to play with the dmd -gc output so that gdb recognizes it
properly. I'm not very far, and my queries in #gdb have gone unanswered :(
You could also try compiling the same file with DMD
Jason House wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
Jason House wrote:
there's already someone working on getting that patch into gdb.
Great!
I've been trying lately to play with the dmd -gc output so that
gdb recognizes it properly.
dumpobj will pretty-print the compiler debug output. It's a handy
== Quote from superdan (su...@dan.org)'s article
d00d i ain't gettin' it. did u have a fallin' with tango folks? with phobos
folks? both? im stoopid. r u still workin' on druntime? if not to whom did u
give
it. pls clarify.
I'm still maintaining druntime and working with the Phobos folks.
Tom S wrote:
Don wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Don wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Lutger wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
(snip)
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest
bikeshed color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are
the
tango devs and walter and
Don nos...@nospam.com wrote in message
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Tom S wrote:
Don wrote:
AFL v3.0 Section 9.
If You distribute or communicate copies of the Original Work or a
Derivative Work, You must make a reasonable effort under the
circumstances to obtain the express
Sean Kelly wrote:
== Quote from Tom S (h3r3...@remove.mat.uni.torun.pl)'s article
Sean Kelly wrote:
== Quote from Tom S (h3r3...@remove.mat.uni.torun.pl)'s article
And apparently, there's been very
little contact with Sean lately, so it's a case of 'us' vs 'them' again.
No one has tried to
Tom S wrote:
Thank you, Sean! Seeing the larger picture now, I'm with you on it. I'd
probably rather slit my wrists than be a proxy server / ambassador of
this kind. We're in it for the code, not flame wars, after all. I also
hope we can forget the quibbles and focus on helping D instead :)
Yigal Chripun wrote:
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest bikeshed color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are the
tango devs and walter and co. of which Neither are willing to budge.
A lot of fundamental breaking changes were made to Phobos2 to
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
I know _Walter_ had a license-related reason for deliberately not
looking at Tango.
Tango is under the BSD license, which requires attribution in binaries
for linking with it. This is what the license says, regardless of how it
is interpreted. I don't feel that can
Walter Bright Wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest bikeshed color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are the
tango devs and walter and co. of which Neither are willing to budge.
A lot of fundamental breaking
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 07:41:17AM -0400, yigal chripun wrote:
there is no defined system for the development of D.
What does this have to do with the development of an independent project?
--
Adam D. Ruppe
http://arsdnet.net
yigal chripun Wrote:
there is no defined system for the development of D. even MS has a well
defined plan for their .net platform. where's the plan for D? where the
process to define that plan?
Either you need to have a plan or you need to have a community driven process
(Java JSRs,
Kagamin Wrote:
yigal chripun Wrote:
there is no defined system for the development of D. even MS has a well
defined plan for their .net platform. where's the plan for D? where the
process to define that plan?
Either you need to have a plan or you need to have a community driven
Walter Bright Wrote:
If there's more I can do to make this work, I would like to know what
that is.
I know D does not burden itself with backwards compatibility, but the lack of
compatibility has to affect many D projects. There are many D1-only projects
that can't be used within D2. When
Jason House Wrote:
My understanding is that the D2 port was an effort by one inspired community
member. It lived in its own branch and quickly got out of date. Both D2 and
this mailing list are completely ignored by the Tango developers. Once D2
stops changing, they may reconsider. As far
Jason House Wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
If there's more I can do to make this work, I would like to know what
that is.
I know D does not burden itself with backwards compatibility, but the lack of
compatibility has to affect many D projects. There are many D1-only projects
that
Jason House wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
If there's more I can do to make this work, I would like to know
what that is.
I know D does not burden itself with backwards compatibility,
That's not quite correct. I have strongly resisted any changes to D2
that would *silently* break programs.
yigal chripun wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest bikeshed color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are the
tango devs and walter and co. of which Neither are willing to budge.
A lot of
Kagamin wrote:
If I recall it right there are bugs blocking tango port.
I've fixed all the bugs identified by the Tango team as blocking Tango2.
If there are more, please give me the bugzilla numbers.
Kagamin Wrote:
yigal chripun Wrote:
there is no defined system for the development of D. even MS has a well
defined plan for their .net platform. where's the plan for D? where the
process to define that plan?
Either you need to have a plan or you need to have a community driven
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 01:21:58PM -0400, yigal chripun wrote:
the lack of proper planning relates to everything:
I think D has proper planning. It has a unified guiding vision with Walter
Bright and Andrei Alexandrescu. And they discuss it in blogs and on this
newsgroup, which usually gets
Walter Bright Wrote:
Jason House wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
If there's more I can do to make this work, I would like to know
what that is.
I know D does not burden itself with backwards compatibility,
That's not quite correct. I have strongly resisted any changes to D2
that
yigal chripun Wrote:
Kagamin Wrote:
yigal chripun Wrote:
there is no defined system for the development of D. even MS has a well
defined plan for their .net platform. where's the plan for D? where the
process to define that plan?
Either you need to have a plan or you need
Jason House jason.james.ho...@gmail.com wrote in message
news:h2flfv$1bk...@digitalmars.com...
Kagamin Wrote:
yigal chripun Wrote:
there is no defined system for the development of D. even MS has a well
defined plan for their .net platform. where's the plan for D? where the
process to
yigal chripun wrote:
blocking bugs that affect tango for D2,
Please let me know the Bugzilla numbers for these.
yigal chripun wrote:
Either you need to have a plan or you need to have a community driven process (Java JSRs, Python PEPs).
There is a similar option for D, although it doesn't have a fancy
abbreviation: You can put enhancement requests in Bugzilla and get
people to vote for them.
-Lars
Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 01:21:58PM -0400, yigal chripun wrote:
the lack of proper planning relates to everything:
I think D has proper planning. It has a unified guiding vision with Walter
Bright and Andrei Alexandrescu. And they discuss it in blogs and on this
newsgroup,
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Walter Brightnewshou...@digitalmars.com wrote:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
I know _Walter_ had a license-related reason for deliberately not
looking at Tango.
Tango is under the BSD license, which requires attribution in binaries for
linking with it. This is
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
Andrei had some reason (license-related, IIRC) for deliberately not looking
at Tango at all. Maybe that's the license issue being referred to? (I'm
about as in-the-dark about it as you.)
I know _Walter_ had a license-related reason for deliberately not
looking at
== Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article
Sean looked around for a new license for druntime, and settled on using
the Boost license which doesn't have the BSD problems and is designed
for maximum utility for any purpose one may want to use it for.
I'd like to point out
Sean Kelly wrote:
== Quote from Tom S (h3r3...@remove.mat.uni.torun.pl)'s article
IIRC, Tango devs claim that its runtime is better than druntime, which
also only supports DMD at the moment.
How is it better? I vaguely recall at least one change in Tango's runtime
that actually violates the
Tom S wrote:
Lutger wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
(snip)
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest bikeshed
color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are the
tango devs and walter and co. of which Neither are willing to budge.
Uhhh...
Don wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Lutger wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
(snip)
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest bikeshed
color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are the
tango devs and walter and co. of which Neither are willing to budge.
Tom S wrote:
Don wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Lutger wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
(snip)
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest bikeshed
color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are the
tango devs and walter and co. of which Neither are
Don wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Don wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Lutger wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
(snip)
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest
bikeshed color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are the
tango devs and walter and co. of which
== Quote from Tom S (h3r3...@remove.mat.uni.torun.pl)'s article
Sean Kelly wrote:
== Quote from Tom S (h3r3...@remove.mat.uni.torun.pl)'s article
And apparently, there's been very
little contact with Sean lately, so it's a case of 'us' vs 'them' again.
No one has tried to contact me.
Sean Kelly Wrote:
== Quote from Tom S (h3r3...@remove.mat.uni.torun.pl)'s article
Sean Kelly wrote:
== Quote from Tom S (h3r3...@remove.mat.uni.torun.pl)'s article
And apparently, there's been very
little contact with Sean lately, so it's a case of 'us' vs 'them' again.
No
Sean,
With this one honest post, you may have just revitalized D's future by a year or
two (perhaps long enough for it to be forcefully pulled into popularity beyond
the
clutches of central control).
Expect Phobos2 to gain more popularity as Tango (*sniff*) drifts into the
background of d1
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
With four or five people having voiced concerns over the future of D
in the past week or so, what's the busiest discussion?
int.nan, of course.
Come on. Get with the program. Enough already with the bikeshed
bullshit. There are far more important issues at hand.
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:21:29 +0300, Yigal Chripun wrote:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
With four or five people having voiced concerns over the future of D
in the past week or so, what's the busiest discussion?
int.nan, of course.
Come on. Get with the program. Enough already with the
Nick Sabalausky Wrote:
Nick Sabalausky a...@a.a wrote in message
news:h29gil$6u...@digitalmars.com...
Jarrett Billingsley jarrett.billings...@gmail.com wrote in message
news:mailman.316.1246228005.13405.digitalmar...@puremagic.com...
With four or five people having voiced concerns over
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
With four or five people having voiced concerns over the future of D
in the past week or so, what's the busiest discussion?
int.nan, of course.
Come on. Get with the program. Enough already with the bikeshed
bullshit. There are far more important issues at hand.
2009/6/29 MIURA Masahiro echocham...@gmail.com:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
do not tell other people what to think and what to write. this is not
china and you are not the great firewall.
grow up.
Apparently you don't share Jarrett's consciousness of the problem
that more important issues are left
dsimcha Wrote:
I feel that miscellaneous toolchain issues (other than implementing changes
to the
spec and fixing bugs that severely affect the usability of language features)
are
an order of magnitude less important because this stuff can always be done
after
the fact without breaking
Steve Teale steve.te...@britseyeview.com wrote in message
news:h2asuv$cm...@digitalmars.com...
dsimcha Wrote:
I feel that miscellaneous toolchain issues (other than implementing
changes to the
spec and fixing bugs that severely affect the usability of language
features) are
an order of
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
2009/6/29 MIURA Masahiro echocham...@gmail.com:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
do not tell other people what to think and what to write. this is not
china and you are not the great firewall.
grow up.
Apparently you don't share Jarrett's consciousness of the problem
that more
Steve Teale wrote:
dsimcha Wrote:
I feel that miscellaneous toolchain issues (other than implementing changes to
the
spec and fixing bugs that severely affect the usability of language features)
are
an order of magnitude less important because this stuff can always be done after
the fact
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Tom Sh3r3...@remove.mat.uni.torun.pl wrote:
Please don't confuse these voices with the usual trolling/complaining D
newcomer with their omg but D doesn't offer anything more than C++ and it's
not evolving at Warp 7!!!11eleven, like superdude's recent post. The
MIURA Masahiro wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
do not tell other people what to think and what to write. this is not
china and you are not the great firewall.
grow up.
Apparently you don't share Jarrett's consciousness of the problem
that more important issues are left undiscussed.
Freedom
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
2009/6/29 MIURA Masahiro echocham...@gmail.com:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
do not tell other people what to think and what to write. this is not
china and you are not the great firewall.
grow up.
Apparently you don't share Jarrett's consciousness of the problem
that more
Yigal Chripun wrote:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
2009/6/29 MIURA Masahiro echocham...@gmail.com:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
do not tell other people what to think and what to write. this is not
china and you are not the great firewall.
grow up.
Apparently you don't share Jarrett's consciousness of
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
(snip)
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest bikeshed color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are the
tango devs and walter and co. of which Neither are willing to budge.
Uhhh... try listening to Tango folks
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
thirdly, D has a dictator, Walter Bright, which decides its fate and
we have almost zero influence on this.
I thought The needs and contributions of the D programming community
form the direction it goes..
who told you that?
your scripting language,
Yigal Chripun wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
thirdly, D has a dictator, Walter Bright, which decides its fate and
we have almost zero influence on this.
I thought The needs and contributions of the D programming community
form the direction it goes..
who told you that?
Lutger wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
(snip)
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest bikeshed color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are the
tango devs and walter and co. of which Neither are willing to budge.
Uhhh... try listening to
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
thirdly, D has a dictator, Walter Bright, which decides its fate and
we have almost zero influence on this.
I thought The needs and contributions of the D programming community
form the direction it goes..
who told you
Tom S h3r3...@remove.mat.uni.torun.pl wrote in message
news:h2bfaa$1hl...@digitalmars.com...
Lutger wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
(snip)
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest bikeshed
color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Nick Sabalauskya...@a.a wrote:
Andrei had some reason (license-related, IIRC) for deliberately not looking
at Tango at all. Maybe that's the license issue being referred to? (I'm
about as in-the-dark about it as you.)
I know _Walter_ had a license-related
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:05:29 +0200, Tom S wrote:
thirdly, D has a dictator, Walter Bright, which decides its fate and we
have almost zero influence on this.
I thought The needs and contributions of the D programming community
form the direction it goes..
LOL ... yeah, right.
--
Derek
== Quote from Tom S (h3r3...@remove.mat.uni.torun.pl)'s article
IIRC, Tango devs claim that its runtime is better than druntime, which
also only supports DMD at the moment.
How is it better? I vaguely recall at least one change in Tango's runtime
that actually violates the Posix spec, and so
== Quote from Jarrett Billingsley (jarrett.billings...@gmail.com)'s article
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Nick Sabalauskya...@a.a wrote:
IIRC, Tango devs claim that its runtime is better than druntime, which
also only supports DMD at the moment. And apparently, there's been very
little
== Quote from Nick Sabalausky (a...@a.a)'s article
Sean Kelly s...@invisibleduck.org wrote in message
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== Quote from Jarrett Billingsley (jarrett.billings...@gmail.com)'s
article
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Nick Sabalauskya...@a.a wrote:
IIRC,
Jarrett Billingsley Wrote:
With four or five people having voiced concerns over the future of D
in the past week or so, what's the busiest discussion?
int.nan, of course.
Come on. Get with the program. Enough already with the bikeshed
bullshit. There are far more important issues at
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in the past week or so, what's the busiest discussion?
int.nan, of course.
Come on. Get
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