Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-25 Thread Adrian Matoga via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 24 June 2015 at 09:21:46 UTC, Martin Drašar wrote: Then again, there can just be an obligation to post this job add as a requirement for getting grant money for a project (many EU projects have this), but you have your own person in mind for the job, so you fit the add for her.

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-24 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 24 June 2015 at 13:04:29 UTC, Martin Drašar wrote: Dne 24.6.2015 v 14:15 Chris via Digitalmars-d napsal(a): Sure, this smells like a job description tailor made for someone they already have in mind. However, I wonder what "experience" means. "Yeah, I've played around with Java an

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-24 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 24 June 2015 at 09:01:47 UTC, Chris wrote: On Tuesday, 23 June 2015 at 19:01:08 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: So I wrote an Oxbridge style applied economics open-ended question. Most of the perfect candidates on paper just regurgitated what they read in the FT; a few didn't and ac

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-24 Thread Martin Drašar via Digitalmars-d
Dne 24.6.2015 v 14:15 Chris via Digitalmars-d napsal(a): > Sure, this smells like a job description tailor made for someone they > already have in mind. However, I wonder what "experience" means. "Yeah, > I've played around with Java and C++" or "I'm really into the two > languages and know them ve

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-24 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 24 June 2015 at 09:21:46 UTC, Martin Drašar wrote: There are definitely people like this. If you focused your Ph.D. on machine learning, than you likely qualify for most of the requirements. Then again, there can just be an obligation to post this job add as a requirement for

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-24 Thread Martin Drašar via Digitalmars-d
Dne 24.6.2015 v 11:07 Chris via Digitalmars-d napsal(a): > Speaking of which, just found this in a job add (no joke). Sure, who > doesn't have all of these qualifications: > > Required > > Doctorate Degree > At least 5 years experience in the areas of information extraction > and machine

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-24 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
Speaking of which, just found this in a job add (no joke). Sure, who doesn't have all of these qualifications: Required Doctorate Degree At least 5 years experience in the areas of information extraction and machine learning At least 1 year experience in publication in top-tier re

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-24 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 23 June 2015 at 19:01:08 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: Chris wrote: "This already started in the 1990ies and got worse and worse, this business of looking for the "perfect" candidate. A lot of skills can be acquired in the first weeks (or months, depending). It's better to train someon

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-23 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On 06/23/2015 03:19 PM, ketmar wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:04:49 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Even that intrinsic passion in the field itself isn't strictly necessary to be a good programmer. I know that sounds wrong, but hear me out: All that's REALLY needed at the bare minimum is the basic

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-23 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On 06/23/2015 04:49 AM, Chris wrote: Yeah. A guy I know had a hard time finding a job with Java. HR would always demand experience with this or that build tool and stuff like this. As if you couldn't learn this in a week or less, at least enough to be able to contribute to a project. Actual prog

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-23 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:04:49 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote: > Even that intrinsic passion in the field itself isn't strictly necessary > to be a good programmer. I know that sounds wrong, but hear me out: All > that's REALLY needed at the bare minimum is the basic integrity to say > "If this is wha

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-23 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On 06/23/2015 02:15 PM, ketmar wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 13:24:14 +, Tobias Müller wrote: For many programmers, programming is just a job, not more. They don't program in their spare time and are not really interested in programming languages as you are. that people called "code monkeys"

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-23 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
Chris wrote: "This already started in the 1990ies and got worse and worse, this business of looking for the "perfect" candidate. A lot of skills can be acquired in the first weeks (or months, depending). It's better to train someone who's intelligent and innovative than someone who's worked wi

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-23 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 23:08:07 +, rsw0x wrote: > No, there really are no libraries for D. And it's 1000x worse if you > attempt to use D for anything related to system's programming aka no GC > available. > > I got so fed up that I ported my project from D to C. I'll gladly trade > a worse lang

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-23 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 13:24:14 +, Tobias Müller wrote: > For many programmers, programming is just a job, not more. They don't > program in their spare time and are not really interested in programming > languages as you are. that people called "code monkeys", not "programmers". it's simply i

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-23 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 23 June 2015 at 08:58:39 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: And as a consequence, we see: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/06/the-time-needed-to-fill-jobs.html The present state of hiring processes can't go on, and so it won't. http://www.amazon.com/Why-Good-People-C

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-23 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 23 June 2015 at 08:49:45 UTC, Chris wrote: On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 17:10:27 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On 06/20/2015 12:34 PM, ketmar wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 12:23:59 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote: let's compare numbers for php, java, ruby, js -- and D. most companies will

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-23 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 17:10:27 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On 06/20/2015 12:34 PM, ketmar wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 12:23:59 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote: let's compare numbers for php, java, ruby, js -- and D. most companies will not bet on language for which a pool of "hireable" dev

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-23 Thread Sönke Ludwig via Digitalmars-d
Am 21.06.2015 um 00:42 schrieb Ellery Newcomer: On 06/20/2015 07:00 AM, Etienne wrote: On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 13:33:34 UTC, Dragos Carp wrote: On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 12:35:11 UTC, weaselcat wrote: I recently read this facebook post on their future implementation in their Folly libr

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-22 Thread Etienne via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 22 June 2015 at 19:45:57 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 22/06/15 14:46, Etienne wrote: [...] [...] Seems I need to actually make a try on using these libraries. [...] In general I feel it hard to justify when everything is already implemented in Ruby. At some point I just wan

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-22 Thread Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d
On 22/06/15 14:46, Etienne wrote: On Monday, 22 June 2015 at 11:29:50 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: * Database drivers for Postgres and SQLite https://github.com/etcimon/d2sqlite3 async with vibe.d : https://github.com/pszturmaj/ddb/blob/master/examples/basic.d#L7 * ORM https://github.com/bugg

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-22 Thread Sebastiaan Koppe via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 12:35:11 UTC, weaselcat wrote: I recently read this facebook post on their future implementation in their Folly library. https://code.facebook.com/posts/1661982097368498 This made me slightly envious. Thoughts on a D implementation? After having worked with Obser

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-22 Thread Rikki Cattermole via Digitalmars-d
On 23/06/2015 12:46 a.m., Etienne wrote: On Monday, 22 June 2015 at 11:29:50 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 22/06/15 01:43, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Curiosity, what libraries do you feel a lack of? For work, that would be: * Database drivers for Postgres and SQLite https://github.com/etcimon/

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-22 Thread Etienne via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 22 June 2015 at 14:03:47 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: On Monday, 22 June 2015 at 11:29:50 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 22/06/15 01:43, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Curiosity, what libraries do you feel a lack of? For work, that would be: * Some way to interface with Selenium and Phanto

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-22 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 22 June 2015 at 11:29:50 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 22/06/15 01:43, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Curiosity, what libraries do you feel a lack of? For work, that would be: * Some way to interface with Selenium and PhantomJS It's not pretty, but for what I want to do I have found e

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-22 Thread Etienne via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 22 June 2015 at 11:29:50 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 22/06/15 01:43, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Curiosity, what libraries do you feel a lack of? For work, that would be: * Database drivers for Postgres and SQLite https://github.com/etcimon/d2sqlite3 async with vibe.d : https://git

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-22 Thread Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d
On 22/06/15 01:43, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Curiosity, what libraries do you feel a lack of? For work, that would be: * Database drivers for Postgres and SQLite * ORM * Unit test framework. I want something like RSpec * RabbitMQ and ActiveMQ * Some way to interface with Selenium and PhantomJS

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-21 Thread Nikolay via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 at 23:43:16 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Curiosity, what libraries do you feel a lack of? XML/Webservice - I know about JSON/REST, but often I have no choice Poor database support - a lot of libraries/drivers, but they can't win competition against Java JDBC.

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-21 Thread Rikki Cattermole via Digitalmars-d
On 22/06/2015 10:02 a.m., Etienne Cimon wrote: On Sunday, 21 June 2015 at 19:08:47 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 20/06/15 16:00, Etienne wrote: Yep, looks like we already have better. I don't understand how D hasn't fully picked up in Web Dev at this point. Are they expecting an e-commerce/blo

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-21 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 at 23:08:09 UTC, rsw0x wrote: I got so fed up that I ported my project from D to C. I'll gladly trade a worse language for not having to write an entire standard library by myself. I'm exactly the opposite. I've wasted so much time putting up with awful languages I'm

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-21 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 at 19:08:47 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 20/06/15 16:00, Etienne wrote: Yep, looks like we already have better. I don't understand how D hasn't fully picked up in Web Dev at this point. Are they expecting an e-commerce/blogging/cms platform to go with it? My biggest

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-21 Thread rsw0x via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 at 22:02:39 UTC, Etienne Cimon wrote: On Sunday, 21 June 2015 at 19:08:47 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 20/06/15 16:00, Etienne wrote: Yep, looks like we already have better. I don't understand how D hasn't fully picked up in Web Dev at this point. Are they expecting a

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-21 Thread Etienne Cimon via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 at 19:08:47 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 20/06/15 16:00, Etienne wrote: Yep, looks like we already have better. I don't understand how D hasn't fully picked up in Web Dev at this point. Are they expecting an e-commerce/blogging/cms platform to go with it? My biggest

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-21 Thread Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d
On 20/06/15 16:00, Etienne wrote: Yep, looks like we already have better. I don't understand how D hasn't fully picked up in Web Dev at this point. Are they expecting an e-commerce/blogging/cms platform to go with it? My biggest reason is the lack of libraries. -- /Jacob Carlborg

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-21 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On 06/21/2015 09:24 AM, Tobias Müller wrote: But do you also think that the average java code monkey will pick up D equally fast? Well, I don't believe the average java code monkey is an asset to ANY company, merely a liability.

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-21 Thread Tobias Müller via Digitalmars-d
Nick Sabalausky wrote: > On 06/20/2015 12:34 PM, ketmar wrote: >> On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 12:23:59 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote: >> >> let's compare numbers for php, java, ruby, js -- and D. most companies >> will not bet on language for which a pool of "hireable" developers is >> small. and it's und

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-20 Thread Etienne via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 22:42:23 UTC, Ellery Newcomer wrote: On 06/20/2015 07:00 AM, Etienne wrote: On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 13:33:34 UTC, Dragos Carp wrote: On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 12:35:11 UTC, weaselcat wrote: [...] Even if the callbacks are sequentially listed, the "callbac

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-20 Thread Ellery Newcomer via Digitalmars-d
On 06/20/2015 07:00 AM, Etienne wrote: On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 13:33:34 UTC, Dragos Carp wrote: On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 12:35:11 UTC, weaselcat wrote: I recently read this facebook post on their future implementation in their Folly library. https://code.facebook.com/posts/16619820973

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-20 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On 06/20/2015 01:24 PM, ketmar wrote: oh, well, i repeated Joel almost literally here. ;-) That dude knows his stuff ;)

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-20 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 13:10:26 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote: > Well, not really. I mean, managers and HR all *believe* that to be so. > But that's because pretty much all non-programmers, even ones in the > software dev industry who really should know better, are stuck in this > bizarre idea that pr

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-20 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On 06/20/2015 12:34 PM, ketmar wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 12:23:59 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote: let's compare numbers for php, java, ruby, js -- and D. most companies will not bet on language for which a pool of "hireable" developers is small. and it's understandable: two developers quit, and t

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-20 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 12:23:59 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote: yes. and another thing (which is tied to "popularity", though) is the question: how many developers are here to hire for XYZ? let's compare numbers for php, java, ruby, js -- and D. most companies will not bet on language for which a po

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-20 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On 06/20/2015 11:12 AM, ketmar wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 14:00:47 +, Etienne wrote: Yep, looks like we already have better. I don't understand how D hasn't fully picked up in Web Dev at this point. Are they expecting an e-commerce/blogging/cms platform to go with it? D is just not ugly e

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-20 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 14:00:47 +, Etienne wrote: > Yep, looks like we already have better. I don't understand how D hasn't > fully picked up in Web Dev at this point. Are they expecting an > e-commerce/blogging/cms platform to go with it? D is just not ugly enough. the key to be popular (not on

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-20 Thread Etienne via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 13:33:34 UTC, Dragos Carp wrote: On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 12:35:11 UTC, weaselcat wrote: I recently read this facebook post on their future implementation in their Folly library. https://code.facebook.com/posts/1661982097368498 This made me slightly envious. T

Re: Future(s) for D.

2015-06-20 Thread Dragos Carp via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 12:35:11 UTC, weaselcat wrote: I recently read this facebook post on their future implementation in their Folly library. https://code.facebook.com/posts/1661982097368498 This made me slightly envious. Thoughts on a D implementation? Even if the callbacks are sequ