Re: Announcing bottom-up-build - a build system for C/C++/D

2013-06-27 Thread eles
On Thursday, 27 June 2013 at 05:44:16 UTC, Rob T wrote: One issue I immediately ran into, is when I run bub incorrectly it hangs after writing the bail message to console. ctrl-c does not kill it, and I have to run a process kill commandto terminate. CTRL-Z works for me. I think it expects

Re: DConf 2013 Closing Keynote: Quo Vadis by Andrei Alexandrescu

2013-06-27 Thread Joakim
On Wednesday, 26 June 2013 at 21:15:34 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: On Jun 26, 2013 9:00 PM, Joakim joa...@airpost.net wrote: This is flat wrong. I suggest you read the Artistic license, it was chosen for a reason, ie it allows closing of source as long as you provide the original, unmodified

Re: Announcing bottom-up-build - a build system for C/C++/D

2013-06-27 Thread eles
On Thursday, 27 June 2013 at 07:32:32 UTC, eles wrote: CTRL-Z works for me. I think it expects input. Ignore it. It just suspends it.

Re: DConf 2013 Closing Keynote: Quo Vadis by Andrei Alexandrescu

2013-06-27 Thread Joakim
On Thursday, 27 June 2013 at 03:20:37 UTC, Mathias Lang wrote: I've read (almost), everything, so I hope I won't miss a point here: a) I've heard about MSVC, Red Hat, Qt, Linux and so on. From my understanding, none of the projects mentionned have gone from free (as in free beer) to

Re: Announcing bottom-up-build - a build system for C/C++/D

2013-06-27 Thread Dicebot
Hm, bub.. Sounds like it should work with 'dub' nicely ;) Looks promising and I'd really love to see some build tool other then rdmd getting to the point it can be called standard. Makefile's sometimes are just too inconvenient.

Re: DConf 2013 Closing Keynote: Quo Vadis by Andrei Alexandrescu

2013-06-27 Thread Iain Buclaw
On 27 June 2013 09:21, Joakim joa...@airpost.net wrote: But lets assume that you are right and the optimization patches I'm talking about would tend to end up only in the backend. In that case, the frontend would not have any closed patches and the paid version of dmd would simply have a

Re: DConf 2013 Closing Keynote: Quo Vadis by Andrei Alexandrescu

2013-06-27 Thread Iain Buclaw
On 27 June 2013 09:53, Joakim joa...@airpost.net wrote: those involved with the D compiler can decide if this would be a worthwhile direction. From their silence so far, I can only assume that they are not interested in rousing the ire of the freetards and will simply maintain the status quo

Re: DConf 2013 Closing Keynote: Quo Vadis by Andrei Alexandrescu

2013-06-27 Thread Leandro Lucarella
Joakim, el 26 de June a las 17:52 me escribiste: On Wednesday, 26 June 2013 at 11:08:17 UTC, Leandro Lucarella wrote: Joakim, el 25 de June a las 23:37 me escribiste: I don't know the views of the key contributors, but I wonder if they would have such a knee-jerk reaction against any

Re: DConf 2013 Closing Keynote: Quo Vadis by Andrei Alexandrescu

2013-06-27 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On Thursday, 27 June 2013 at 08:21:12 UTC, Joakim wrote: I'm familiar with its arguments from a summary, not particularly interested in reading the whole thing. You know, I think I see what your problem is ... :-)

Re: DConf 2013 Closing Keynote: Quo Vadis by Andrei Alexandrescu

2013-06-27 Thread Joakim
As I said earlier, I'm done with this debate. There is no point talking to people who make blatantly ignorant statements like, Binary blobs are the exception rather than the rule in Linux, and many hardware vendors would flat out say 'no' to doing any support on them. This assertion is so

Re: DConf 2013 Closing Keynote: Quo Vadis by Andrei Alexandrescu

2013-06-27 Thread John Colvin
On Thursday, 27 June 2013 at 13:18:01 UTC, Joakim wrote: As I said earlier, I'm done with this debate. There is no point talking to people who make blatantly ignorant statements like, Binary blobs are the exception rather than the rule in Linux, and many hardware vendors would flat out say

Re: DConf 2013 Closing Keynote: Quo Vadis by Andrei Alexandrescu

2013-06-27 Thread Dicebot
On Thursday, 27 June 2013 at 13:18:01 UTC, Joakim wrote: There is no point talking to people who make blatantly ignorant statements Yeah, I keep wondering why someone even bothered to waste time explaining all this to someone who is incapable of both providing own reasoning and studying

Re: DConf 2013 Closing Keynote: Quo Vadis by Andrei Alexandrescu

2013-06-27 Thread Joakim
On Thursday, 27 June 2013 at 13:25:06 UTC, John Colvin wrote: On Thursday, 27 June 2013 at 13:18:01 UTC, Joakim wrote: Look, I get it, you guys are religious zealots- you tip your hand when you allude to ethical or moral reasons for using open source, a crazy idea if there ever was one- and

Re: DConf 2013 Closing Keynote: Quo Vadis by Andrei Alexandrescu

2013-06-27 Thread Iain Buclaw
On 27 June 2013 14:40, Joakim joa...@airpost.net wrote: On Thursday, 27 June 2013 at 13:25:06 UTC, John Colvin wrote: On Thursday, 27 June 2013 at 13:18:01 UTC, Joakim wrote: Look, I get it, you guys are religious zealots- you tip your hand when you allude to ethical or moral reasons for

Re: Announcing bottom-up-build - a build system for C/C++/D

2013-06-27 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 6/26/13 5:10 PM, Graham St Jack wrote: Bottom-up-build (bub) is a build system written in D which supports building of large C/C++/D projects. http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1h6p2w/bottomupbuild_a_build_system_for_ccd/ Andrei

Re: DConf 2013 Day 2 Talk 5: A Precise Garbage Collector for D by Rainer Schütze

2013-06-27 Thread bearophile
Andrei Alexandrescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1fpw2r/dconf_2013_day_2_talk_5_a_precise_garbage/ Another thing to keep in account while designing a more precise garbage collection is a possible special casing for Algebraic (and Variant, and more generally for some

Re: DConf 2013 Closing Keynote: Quo Vadis by Andrei Alexandrescu

2013-06-27 Thread Iain Buclaw
On 27 June 2013 14:17, Joakim joa...@airpost.net wrote: As I said earlier, I'm done with this debate. There is no point talking to people who make blatantly ignorant statements like, Binary blobs are the exception rather than the rule in Linux, and many hardware vendors would flat out say

Re: An idea - make dlang.org a fundation

2013-06-27 Thread ixid
-You could start taking donations and hire some people to work on D. This doesn't work as it's a volunteer project. Why should someone get paid when others give their time for free? It would create conflict while being a less effective application of funds, D already gets more than one or

Re: An idea - make dlang.org a fundation

2013-06-27 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 6/27/13, ixid nuacco...@gmail.com wrote: -You could start taking donations and hire some people to work on A better use of the money is another D conference which has been a huge success and generated both ideas and much greater interest and exposure for D. Yes, and some better glue for the

Re: Announcing bottom-up-build - a build system for C/C++/D

2013-06-27 Thread Graham St Jack
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 07:44:07 +0200, Rob T wrote: This build system seems to be very well suited for building complex large projects in a sensible way. I successfully tested the example build on Debian linux. I will definitely explore this further using one of my own projects. One issue I

Re: An idea - make dlang.org a fundation

2013-06-27 Thread John Colvin
On Thursday, 27 June 2013 at 21:39:28 UTC, ixid wrote: -You could start taking donations and hire some people to work on D. This doesn't work as it's a volunteer project. Why should someone get paid when others give their time for free? It would create conflict while being a less effective