Re: [digitalradio] Re: Effective Date ? FCC Drops Morse Code

2006-12-15 Thread KV9U
Leslie, Without question, the Technician license is going to have the same privileges as the Tech +. The CW segment is not small. It is the same segment that the General and Advanced Class operators have. The Extra too, except they have 25 more KHz at the bottom. This means that all classes o

Re: [digitalradio] Re: 80M State Emergency Nets Revived!

2006-12-15 Thread Andrew J. O'Brien
Yes Dave. I read it as the latter of your two possibilities. Andy. - Original Message - From: Dave Bernstein To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: 80M State Emergency Nets Revived! Its ambiguous, Andy. They could mean "

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Effective Date ? FCC Drops Morse Code

2006-12-15 Thread Andrew J. O'Brien
Attention All Amateurs... End of an Era: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License Classes (Dec 15, 2006) -- In an historic move, the FCC has acted to drop the Morse code requirement for all Amateur Radio license classes. The Commission today adopted a Report and Order (R&O) in WT Docket

[digitalradio] Re: Effective Date ? FCC Drops Morse Code

2006-12-15 Thread Leslie Elliott
I'm pretty sure that anyone who is a technician class, such as myself, will still have to take the written test, element 3 or 4 depending on whether we want General or Extra license, in order to operate on HF Voice. Even those that are Tech + would have to take element 3 to operate voice on HF exc

Re: [digitalradio] cw

2006-12-15 Thread Brett Owen Rees VK2TMG
Here in VK interest in CW has been increasing one we no-coders got HF privileges. The code practice beacons are an invaluable resource for those learning. On-air code practice sessions take place and have increasing number of participants, including those who did not require the code to get on HF

Re: [digitalradio] Effective Date ? FCC Drops Morse Code

2006-12-15 Thread bruce mallon
LETS MAKE THE BEST OF THIS AND GO GET NEW GOOD HAMS ! --- kd4e <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew O'Brien wrote: > > When does this take effect? Can no code hams > start tonight on HF or do > > we have to wait for the rules to be published in > the Federal Register > > plus 30 days ? > > I a

Re: [digitalradio] 15 dec summary ?

2006-12-15 Thread Andrew J. O'Brien
Yes, Danny. I agree it was nice to be left alone in that 150 KC on 80. Andy. - Original Message - From: Danny Douglas I wish folk would quit saying that CW ops haven't lost anything. It was promised that any changes would not narrow anyone's bandwidth. Nonsense! We CW and digital fo

[digitalradio] Re: 80M State Emergency Nets Revived!

2006-12-15 Thread dshults
Andy, I understand the FCC to say: "We will fix the oversight by shifting all prior spectrum privileges from 3620-3635 kHz down to 3585-3600 kHz." This matches the suggested pactor channel table for Oregon that I created back on November 29th. Just a hunch. ... Duane N7QDN --- In digitalradi

Re: [digitalradio] Effective Date ? FCC Drops Morse Code

2006-12-15 Thread kd4e
Andrew O'Brien wrote: > When does this take effect? Can no code hams start tonight on HF or do > we have to wait for the rules to be published in the Federal Register > plus 30 days ? I am advised by someone familiar with bureaucrat-speak that it is 30 days -- January 15, 2007. -- Thanks! &

[digitalradio] Re: 80M State Emergency Nets Revived!

2006-12-15 Thread Dave Bernstein
Its ambiguous, Andy. They could mean "we'll change 97.221(b) from (b) A station may be automatically controlled while transmitting a RTTY or data emission on the 6 m or shorter wavelength bands, and on the 28.120-28.189 MHz, 24.925-24.930 MHz, 21.090-21.100 MHz, 18.105- 18.110 MHz, 14.0950-14.0

Re: [digitalradio] Re: 80M State Emergency Nets Revived!

2006-12-15 Thread Danny Douglas
Taking an additional 15 KC away from narrow band cw and digital ops. It just gets better and better! Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesty I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload t

Re: [digitalradio] 15 dec summary ?

2006-12-15 Thread KV9U
Bert, I think you have to compare the previous privileges to the current privileges. Under the new rules General, Advanced and Extra hams lose 150 KHz for Data/RTTY from 3600 to 3750 and is a big impact although most data/RTTY did not go much above say, 3650? But it is a huge impact on the CW

[digitalradio] Re: 80M State Emergency Nets Revived!

2006-12-15 Thread Andrew O'Brien
Duane, I don't quite "get" their meaning.. "The ARRL argued that the 75 m band should not have been expanded below 3635 kHz, in order to protect automatically controlled digital stations operating in the 3620-3635 kHz portion of the 80 m band. The FCC concluded that these stations can be protected

[digitalradio] Effective Date ? FCC Drops Morse Code

2006-12-15 Thread Andrew O'Brien
When does this take effect? Can no code hams start tonight on HF or do we have to wait for the rules to be published in the Federal Register plus 30 days ? Andy K3UK

[digitalradio] 80M State Emergency Nets Revived!

2006-12-15 Thread dshults
Completely removing the CW requirement may not have been the best move, but this better-late-than-never correction was asked for and expected... http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf ... Duane N7QDN

Re: [digitalradio] cw

2006-12-15 Thread Danny Douglas
Why bother? They just did away with CW Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesty I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] - O

[digitalradio] Re: FCC Drops Morse Code

2006-12-15 Thread Andrew O'Brien
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Radioguy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: NEWS MEDIA CONTACT: > December 15, > 2006 > Chelsea Fallon: (202) 418-7991 > > FCC MODIFIES AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE RULES, > ELIMINATING MORSE CODE EXAM REQUIREME

Re: [digitalradio] 15 dec summary ?

2006-12-15 Thread Danny Douglas
Ill bet the VE sessions are loaded with people for the next several months. That is what incentive licensing is all about. And the reason many of us upgraded in the 60s. Why dont all those nets go up above 3800? People keep saying that CW is allowed up there. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US W

Re: [digitalradio] FCC Drops Morse Code

2006-12-15 Thread Danny Douglas
NOT ANOTHER SHOE - A BOOT. Take the damn bands and do what you want AR Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesty I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. mod

Re: [digitalradio] 15 dec summary ?

2006-12-15 Thread Danny Douglas
I wish folk would quit saying that CW ops haven't lost anything. It was promised that any changes would not narrow anyone's bandwidth. Nonsense! We CW and digital folks have lost a LOT. We lost the ability to be left alone in 150 KC of bandwidth in the 80 meter band. Yes- we CAN send almost

Re: [digitalradio] cw

2006-12-15 Thread kd4e
David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD wrote: > now would be a good time to get the arrl cw practice down in the > area that they themselves recommend for cw. > david/wd4kpd Effective today there is no more Morse Code requirement so the ARRL should suspend CW broadcasts immediately and release that spectr

[digitalradio] cw

2006-12-15 Thread David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD
now would be a good time to get the arrl cw practice down in the area that they themselves recommend for cw. david/wd4kpd

[digitalradio] Re: 15 dec - New Band Chart

2006-12-15 Thread kd4e
The black/white version: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/Hambands_bw.pdf The color version: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/Hambands_color.pdf -- Thanks! & 73, doc, KD4E ... in sunny & warm Florida :-) ~~~ Thank our brave sold

Re: [digitalradio] Re: AMEN !

2006-12-15 Thread Jose A. Amador
OK, Dave. No, I had not read Rick's report to ARRL. Thanks. Dave Bernstein wrote: > The asymmetric propagation case is impractical to address, whether > the stations involved are attended or unattended; fortunately, its > not common. The case we can address is that of the unattended station >

[digitalradio] FCC Drops Morse Code

2006-12-15 Thread Radioguy
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: NEWS MEDIA CONTACT: December 15, 2006 Chelsea Fallon: (202) 418-7991 FCC MODIFIES AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE RULES, ELIMINATING MORSE CODE EXAM REQUIREMENTS AND ADDRESSING ARRL PETITION FOR RECONSIDERATION Washington, D.C. – Today, the Federa

Re: [digitalradio] Digital Signal on 7117 or 7118?

2006-12-15 Thread Andrew J. O'Brien
Nothing heard here. Is that 7117 USB or LSB ? - Original Message - From: kd4e To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Digital Signal on 7117 or 7118? Can someone assist N0XY, please? Original Message ---

Re: [digitalradio] Best sound card for digital

2006-12-15 Thread Andrew J. O'Brien
Welcome to the group. I use an el-cheapo Circuit City PC with an integrated sound "card". It works just fine for me on the digital modes. I think most digital mode software would expect at least a 16 bit sound card. Andy K3UK - Original Message - From: Leslie Elliott To: d

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New ARRL Petition

2006-12-15 Thread Paul L Schmidt, K9PS
John B. Stephensen wrote: > and 8 kHz maximum bandwidth limit. However, ARRL memebers want more > stringent regulations. > Not all of them. 73, Paul / K9PS (Life Member of both ARRL and QCWA who doesn't.)

Re: [digitalradio] 15 dec summary ?

2006-12-15 Thread Bert Morton
General Class ops have lost all privileges from 3600 to 3800. Advanced Class ops have lost all privileges from 3700 to 3800. Thus the reason for CW nets having to move below 3600. - Original Message - From: "Andrew J. O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 7:

[digitalradio] 15 dec summary ?

2006-12-15 Thread Andrew J. O'Brien
Thanks for reminded us Rick. With all that has been written, I have forgotten what is new. Would the following rough summary be close? Some parts of the 40 and 80M phone privileges have been extended in to the former CW or digital portions.? CW operators have lost nothing, just have to shar

Re: [digitalradio] Best sound card for digital

2006-12-15 Thread Ralph Mowery
Try the digital modes with what you have. It may work fine for your operations. I have used much slower computers with built in sound cards and they seem to do ok for casual use. 73 de KU4PT --- Leslie Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi - I just joined yesterday, and this is my first >

Re: [digitalradio] Best sound card for digital

2006-12-15 Thread Dave Corio
Welcome to the group, Les, and welcome to digital radio in general! I'm sure there will be several good ideas in response to your questions, but I'll just give you my own opinion. Try the on-board audio before you spend any money on a separate card. You may find it works well enough that

Re: [digitalradio] 15 dec

2006-12-15 Thread KV9U
David, Most of the new rules are understandable, just a few that were confusing or not completely clear or, at least in one case, in conflict with other rules. The ARRL announced today that their late filed Petition for Reconsideration has not been acted upon by the FCC, therefore the new reg

[digitalradio] Best sound card for digital

2006-12-15 Thread Leslie Elliott
Hi - I just joined yesterday, and this is my first post. I am 70 years old, and although I have a fairly good knowledge of electronics due to having worked as a electronics tech and field engineer for many years, I am somewhat computer illiterate, since it was BC (before computers LOL) when I was

[digitalradio] Digital Signal on 7117 or 7118?

2006-12-15 Thread kd4e
Can someone assist N0XY, please? Original Message Subject: Re: GB> Empathy for the Indians. Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:30:54 -0600 From: Michael NØXY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: glowbugs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Could someone who can tune in that digital st

[digitalradio] MIL-STD-188-110A on 14.109,5 this weekend

2006-12-15 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Hi all, I am QRV on 14.109,5 USB (VFO) and "Wait connection..." with rfsm2400 this weekend. 73 de LA5VNA Steinar http://rfsm2400.aanesland.com

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New ARRL Petition

2006-12-15 Thread Danny Douglas
Nor do Germans understand having a speed limit. That doesnt mean they are correct. Excess speed, proven by scientists, KILLS. Having rules sets a limit on individuals who would never set a limit on themselves, at the expense of the masses. Our ham populations exceeds that of most all Europea

[digitalradio] anyone round tonight? friday.

2006-12-15 Thread Chris Edwards, AE4XO
Anyone on olivia t0night? Just wanted to do some psk / olivia trials.

[digitalradio] 15 dec

2006-12-15 Thread David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD
with all the "translations" of the new 80m rules, i just wonder if the auto/semiauto stations are gonna run in the 500hz section, or gonna wait untill clarification. would surely be looked on poorly by the narrow modes, and if not legal, would look poorly to the FCC should they desire to reconside

[digitalradio] Re: New ARRL Petition

2006-12-15 Thread Dave Bernstein
Continued failure to eliminate the preventable QRM from unattended digital stations reinforces the position that amateurs cannot be trusted with "the maximum possible autonomy to determine the highest valued use of their spectrum". Actual evidence that the operators of such stations "will prev

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New ARRL Petition

2006-12-15 Thread John Bradley
This is the part that those of us in other countries don't understand, not one little bit John VE5MU "I think that the FCC would love to take the approach used by other countries and say that hams can use their bands as they please given a 1500 W PEP power limit and 8 kHz maxi

Re: [digitalradio] Re: DigiSSTV maps size

2006-12-15 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello Bill, RR for all. >Am confused as in your MFSK16 help file it states "IMPORTANT: the >picture format is not fixed as in classical SSTV but can be anything. >The maximum dimensions of the transmitted picture are 1600x1200. >Multipsk proposes to use the standard "320x256" to take advantage

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New ARRL Petition

2006-12-15 Thread John B. Stephensen
Look at http://www.fcc.gov/sptf/reports.html to see what the FCC thinks. Their spectrum policy report states: "As a general proposition, flexibility in spectrum regulation is critical to improving access to spectrum. In this context, flexibility means granting both licensed users and unlicense

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New ARRL Petition

2006-12-15 Thread KV9U
John, Your response is not one that I would have expected. Until my recent retiremen, I worked for the better part of two decades, as an environmental safety and health consultant. A substantial part of my work involved contacting government bureaucrats at the state and federal level to gain a

[digitalradio] TARA Melee Scores Needed...

2006-12-15 Thread ny2u
Greeting's: I want to thank "ALL" of you that already took the time to submit your score for the recent TARA RTTY Melee held back on Dec 2. To date we've received a good amount of scores but we still need to hear from more of you. I hope that I can appeal to those of you that kind of think

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New ARRL Petition

2006-12-15 Thread kd4e
John Champa wrote: > You would normally be correct. > However, again, the FCC does not give a %$#& about Ham Radio! > That includes the ARRL and all the celebrities you can find. Licensed HAM celebrities? Isn't that counter-intuitive? Asserting that they don't care about their own hobby makes no

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New ARRL Petition

2006-12-15 Thread John Champa
You would normally be correct. However, again, the FCC does not give a %$#& about Ham Radio! That includes the ARRL and all the celebrities you can find. Original Message Follows From: kd4e <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject:

RE: [digitalradio] Re: New ARRL Petition

2006-12-15 Thread John Champa
Mark, I think you might be correct! TELL...I write again**TELL** the FCC what you want down to the last detail. If they don't respond in a reasonable period (90 days?), well, then ya got it! (HI) It's called "management by exception", I think. Although the League, to their credit, did pr

[digitalradio] Digital Signal on 3832.51?

2006-12-15 Thread kd4e
Anyone else hear the LSB Digital Signal on 3832.51? Carrier is S7 here in west central Florida. ON LSB it ounds like a rushing wind. -- Thanks! & 73, doc, KD4E ... in sunny & warm Florida :-) ~~~ Thank our brave soldiers this season: http://www.letssayt

RE: [digitalradio] Re: New ARRL Petition

2006-12-15 Thread Mark Miller
Maybe they should have tried this approach instead of petitioning the FCC. 73, Mark N5RFX At 09:24 AM 12/15/2006, you wrote: >Only from the League's lawyer, silly. That's as good as it gets. > >Anyway, does anyone really want a response directly from the FCC, for Cat's >sake?! >Not I, dear sir.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New ARRL Petition

2006-12-15 Thread kd4e
So, we are to gather from this that the FCC is saying to everyone -- go out and do whatever you want and unless "someone" complains we don't care? That is contrary to the nature of bureaucracy and bureaucrats. Bureaucrats are focused on avoidance of conflict and expansion of power. Only so long

RE: [digitalradio] Re: New ARRL Petition

2006-12-15 Thread John Champa
Only from the League's lawyer, silly. That's as good as it gets. Anyway, does anyone really want a response directly from the FCC, for Cat's sake?! Not I, dear sir. Especially after their recent Uni-Bus or whatever that crash was (HI). Here is the League's strategy: Ask them for specifically

RE: [digitalradio] Re: New ARRL Petition

2006-12-15 Thread Mark Miller
How is this a response from the FCC? It looks like an opinion from a lawyer, and the FCC was copied. Where is the FCC response? 73, Mark N5RFX At 11:13 PM 12/14/2006, you wrote: >Attached is the response we got from the FCC via the ARRL: In effect, it >states >as long as nobody complains, we