Re: [digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE

2006-03-18 Thread KV9U
While fairly technical at times, the one thing that stood out is that the computational power and especially memory available (3G cell stuff and maybe 256K) is not that large. So it could be implemented. However, this appears more for multicasting in the case of the "fountain codes." He indicat

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE

2006-03-17 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
essage- > From: KV9U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:57:30 -0600 > > I used to think that Viterbi coding worked better for ham applications. > For example, Pactor mo

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE

2006-03-17 Thread KV9U
I used to think that Viterbi coding worked better for ham applications. For example, Pactor modes (Viterbi) work better than Clover modes (R-S). Other R-S modes include, SSTV RDFT and the Winlink 2000 initial attempt to develop a sound card mode (SCAMP) which uses the same modulation scheme as

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE

2006-03-16 Thread Jose Amador
--- KV9U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree completely, Jose. > > However, all these things can (and often are done) > with other modes that > do not run as fast. The bandwidths are no > differerent than the wider > sound card modes at either 500 Hz for Pactor 2 or > closer to a voice > ban

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE

2006-03-16 Thread KV9U
I agree completely, Jose. However, all these things can (and often are done) with other modes that do not run as fast. The bandwidths are no differerent than the wider sound card modes at either 500 Hz for Pactor 2 or closer to a voice bandwidth such as Pactor 3 uses. And the Pactor modes don't

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE

2006-03-16 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
Title: RE: [digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE Yes 200 WPM will do but 300-400 WPM or faster would be much better if the same SNR was maintained.  However, if going to 300-400 WPM increases the SNR by 5 to 7 dB, then that would be acceptable. For the time being, MT63 seems to be the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE

2006-03-16 Thread Jose Amador
--- KV9U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I still have not understood what P2 and P3 have that > is all that special and allows them to run as fast > as they do (not to mention they are also ARQ modes). > If we had non ARQ modes with similar modulation, why > would not that run at a similar rate of t

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE

2006-03-15 Thread KV9U
Walt, Initially you had indicated that: "I would like a robust keyboard-to-keyboard mode that would accept typing at about 50-60 WPM. Also a robust mode that could send data files at 200 WPM and be robus enough to work right down in the noise." That is exactly what MT-63 does. However, now yo

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE

2006-03-15 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
Title: RE: [digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE Understand that I have used MIL-STD-188-110a and FS-1052(?) modems (modes) when I was in the AF Reserve.  I used MIL-STD-188-110a and c (I think) in February of 1990 in US Air Force test, then in California during joint services test in the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE

2006-03-14 Thread KV9U
Walt, What you are describing sounds very close to MT-63. 73, Rick, KV9U DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: >There has been some discussion about what mode does what and what is >needed/desired. > >We have had a little discussion on what the problems were during Katrina >with digital commu

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE

2006-03-14 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
Title: RE: [digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE There has been some discussion about what mode does what and what is needed/desired. We have had a little discussion on what the problems were during Katrina with digital communications. During hurricanes Katrina and Rita, I worked with

[digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE

2006-03-14 Thread Andrew O'Brien
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Andy, > > Are you talking about Automatic Link Establsihment capability to connect to > stations or the service messaging protocol of ALE just to send text with? > > Good question. I started m

[digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE

2006-03-13 Thread Andrew O'Brien
Here is a snippet from Bonnie and the HFLINK group "This afternoon, I heard John K6ERO calling on the 20m sounding channel, 14109.5kHz USB. I linked with him there and sent an AMD: "QSY SSB VOICE THIS BAND". Then I called him on 14346 and we linked there. We talked for a while on voice SSB. The b

[digitalradio] Re: Another look at ALE

2006-03-13 Thread Andrew O'Brien
I'll be monitoring 7065 USB for ALE tonight until around 0500 UTC. If you want to play around with Indivdual Calls via ALE (as opposed to Net Calls), we can experiement up a few KCs from 7065 after making a link. Andy K3UK Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.o