Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Simos Xenitellis
2011/6/22 Jesús Corrius : >> I checked those files as well. They are all 'noarch' (do not contain >> compiled programs; No Architecture), >> and contain the same .png branding images. > > The license not only covers the code, also the images. So if those > images are in the program, the source code

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Jesús Corrius
> I checked those files as well. They are all 'noarch' (do not contain > compiled programs; No Architecture), > and contain the same .png branding images. The license not only covers the code, also the images. So if those images are in the program, the source code must include them. That's why th

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Sveinn í Felli wrote: > > > Þann þri 21.jún 2011 12:46, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis: >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Sveinn í Felli  wrote: >>> >>> Þann þri 21.jún 2011 11:18, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis: 2011/6/21 Jesús Corrius: >> >> 1. We w

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Sveinn í Felli
Þann þri 21.jún 2011 12:46, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Sveinn í Felli wrote: Þann þri 21.jún 2011 11:18, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis: 2011/6/21 Jesús Corrius: 1. We want to add a paragraph somewhere in the About dialog box which says that if we are intereste

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Sirrý
Þann þri 21.jún 2011 12:11, skrifaði Sveinn í Felli: Þann þri 21.jún 2011 11:18, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis: 2011/6/21 Jesús Corrius: 1. We want to add a paragraph somewhere in the About dialog box which says that if we are interested in the source code, we should read a specific Wiki page, fo

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Sveinn í Felli wrote: > Þann þri 21.jún 2011 11:18, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis: >> >> 2011/6/21 Jesús Corrius: 1. We want to add a paragraph somewhere in the About dialog box which says that if we are interested in the source code, we should read a >>

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Sveinn í Felli
Þann þri 21.jún 2011 11:18, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis: 2011/6/21 Jesús Corrius: 1. We want to add a paragraph somewhere in the About dialog box which says that if we are interested in the source code, we should read a specific Wiki page, for example http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Developmen

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Simos Xenitellis
2011/6/21 Jesús Corrius : >> 1. We want to add a paragraph somewhere in the About dialog box which >> says that if we are interested in the source code, we should read a >> specific Wiki page, >> for example >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AvailabilityOfSourceCode > > I see a pro

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Manfred Usselmann wrote: > > I see a problem here. Usually GNU/Linux distributions make > > modifications to the original source code. That means that the *real* > > source code will be the one from your distro and not the one you can > > download from the LibO website, hence the information will b

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Manfred Usselmann
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:18:34 +0200 Jesús Corrius wrote: > > 1. We want to add a paragraph somewhere in the About dialog box > > which says that if we are interested in the source code, we should > > read a specific Wiki page, > > for example > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Avai

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-20 Thread Jesús Corrius
> 1. We want to add a paragraph somewhere in the About dialog box which > says that if we are interested in the source code, we should read a > specific Wiki page, > for example > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AvailabilityOfSourceCode I see a problem here. Usually GNU/Linux distr

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-20 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:22 PM, John LeMoyne Castle wrote: > Dennis, Tanstaafl, > > I take your point.  Users that have 3.3.2 installed can only get the code > for 3.3.3 from the website.  As discussed above, I think this meets the > spirit of the license but not the specific letter. Simon's ide

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-20 Thread John LeMoyne Castle
Dennis, Tanstaafl, I take your point. Users that have 3.3.2 installed can only get the code for 3.3.3 from the website. As discussed above, I think this meets the spirit of the license but not the specific letter. Simon's idea about downloading the repo at the 3.3.2 marker is a great one, but t

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-20 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2011-06-18 5:39 AM, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > And there is no better way to do this than have the 'git repositories' > of the LibreOffice source code. You were correct earlier - he is merely pointing out that nowhere in the license agreement (I haven't read it so am not making the same claim) d

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-19 Thread toki
On 18/06/2011 09:39, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > The spirit does go well beyond the letter. > Ideally, the 'git repositories' should be what everyone gets, rather > than a source code snapshot that has no source change history. A couple of years ago I sent a question to FSF about meeting source co

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-18 Thread Robert Derman
Simos Xenitellis wrote: On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Ignoring the repetition on who is entitled to source code and how they are told about it, I would like to know the answers to some very specific, tangible matters closer to home. My question is basically wh

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-18 Thread Simos Xenitellis
> -Original Message- > From: Simos Xenitellis [mailto:simos.li...@googlemail.com] > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 17:44 > To: discuss@documentfoundation.org > Subject: Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL > enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss

RE: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)) On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I didn't say I didn't know how to do it. I didn't say I wanted to build it.

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-17 Thread Simos Xenitellis
Original Message- > From: Simos Xenitellis [mailto:simos.li...@googlemail.com] > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 16:31 > To: discuss@documentfoundation.org > Subject: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL > enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffi

RE: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 16:31 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)) On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: [ ... ] > I

Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-17 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Ignoring the repetition on who is entitled to source code and how they are > told about it, I would like to know the answers to some very specific, > tangible matters closer to home.  My question is basically whether the terms > of a

RE: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

2011-06-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
ble way? -Original Message- From: Simos Xenitellis [mailto:simos.li...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 13:49 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice) On Fri,

Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

2011-06-17 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:59 PM, BRM wrote: > - Original Message > >> From: Simos Xenitellis ... >> Your views are not mainstream; if you  want to gain traction, you should make >>the effort >> to subscribe to the  gpl-violations.org mailing list and discuss these views >>there. > > Does

Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

2011-06-17 Thread BRM
- Original Message > From: Simos Xenitellis > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:54 PM, BRM wrote: > > DISCLAIMER: IANAL. Consult one for real legal advice if you need it. > > > ... > > Party F may ask Group C for the code, showing the written notice he received > > from Customer E which mat

Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

2011-06-17 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:54 PM, BRM wrote: > DISCLAIMER: IANAL. Consult one for real legal advice if you need it. > ... > Party F may ask Group C for the code, showing the written notice he received > from Customer E which matches what Group C provided to Customer E. > I think your misconception

Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

2011-06-17 Thread BRM
- Original Message > From: plino > To: discuss@documentfoundation.org > Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 10:12:01 AM > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: >[Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice) > > @BRM sorry to bur

Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

2011-06-17 Thread plino
no one can enforce that law. But it is still breaking the law even if you get away with it. Let's keep the discussion realistic (or end it). -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/OFF-TOPIC-about-GPL-enforcement-Was-Re-tdf-discuss-Re-Libreoffice-Proposal-to

Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

2011-06-17 Thread BRM
DISCLAIMER: IANAL. Consult one for real legal advice if you need it. - Original Message > From: plino > BRM wrote: > > > > Directly from the FSF, authors of the GPL. You must have a copy of the > > written > > offer in order to be entitled to receipt of the source. > > > > It's am

Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

2011-06-17 Thread plino
View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/OFF-TOPIC-about-GPL-enforcement-Was-Re-tdf-discuss-Re-Libreoffice-Proposal-to-join-Apache-OpenOffice-tp3074299p3075368.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+

Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

2011-06-16 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:56 AM, BRM wrote: > - Original Message > >> From: Simos Xenitellis >> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org >> Sent: Thu, June 16, 2011 6:31:25 PM >> Subject: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: >>[

Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

2011-06-16 Thread BRM
- Original Message > From: Simos Xenitellis > To: discuss@documentfoundation.org > Sent: Thu, June 16, 2011 6:31:25 PM > Subject: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: >[Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice) > > On Fri, Jun 17,

OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

2011-06-16 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 17:54, Simos Xenitellis > wrote: >>... >>> The key thing being "that person". That person is most likely not You, >>> the developer who is contributing to the software. Thus, You won't get >>> those changes unless "that