Going by the title, I fear that this is more wishful thinking and showmanship
than anything else.
This may sound quite arrogant, but then, so is your summary of thickbox.
I'm afraid that the complete lack of graceful degradation means that this is
one plugin I simply cannot use.
I do like the
Dan Atkinson wrote:
If you do release another version, I would maybe suggest a little less
arrogance on your part, ...
Eh, I think Gilles was just having fun and not trying to be arrogant.
For cryin' out-loud, that's what the damned emoticons were created for,
in the first place.
I think
Eh, I think Gilles was just having fun and not trying to be arrogant.
Thats the way I interpreted it (just having fun).
Rey...
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Dan Atkinson wrote:
Going by the title, I fear that this is more wishful thinking and showmanship
than anything else.
Hi Dan,
Correct. I wasn't trying to be arrogant, on the contrary, i just wanted
to poke around to see how people reacted on my plugin. I've tried this
before with the
On your comment on degration, I am not sure my window plugin needs to
degrade, after all, you have to open it from Javascript and it is a
javascript build and controlled box... That's just my opinion, since i
don't see how i could degrade this... It is either javascript on or off
with this
Christopher Jordan schrieb:
I see. So is it like the lesser of two evils (because IE doesn't comply
with all the standard CSS gizmos, like display: table-cell)? Either you
use tables, or you have to use conditional comments, and some other
CSS-for-IE hacks to make it work? Does that sound
Finally some reactions.
I did not mean to say My plugin is better or something like that, just
wanted to get your attention to my plugin, because, like said, i can't
perfect it without you guys.
Some points mentioned by you guys:
* I'll try go get a CSS layout online as soon as possible.
* Some
Christopher Jordan schrieb:
Thanks for the response, Klaus. :o)
Klaus Hartl wrote:
Hi Chris,
that's right. But: the only reason I can think of to use tables, is,
that you can easily have content vertically aligned in the middle. That
is what CSS honestly lacks.
This can also be
On Nov 27, 2006, at 8:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
p.s. who's Quicken?
Gilles,
Quicken is the #1 personal finance software in the world in terms of
both sales and all-out excellence.
For more:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1996812,00.asp
Karl
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Giuliano Marcangelo schrieb:
so briefly to sum up..
mark up is more lightweight,
page displays quicker,
mark up is vastly more flexible/versatile/reusable.
Thanks Giuliano for the assistance :-)
I had mentioned bloated HTML and inflexibility (a more inflexible
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From: Klaus Hartl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:44 AM
To: jQuery Discussion.
Subject: Re: [jQuery] Stop using thickbox!
Christopher Jordan schrieb:
Thanks for the response, Klaus. :o)
Klaus Hartl wrote:
Hi Chris,
that's right. But: the only reason I can think
Theo Welch schrieb:
Here's another (probably older) approach to vertical centering with CSS I've
been using for a while.
http://www.wpdfd.com/editorial/thebox/deadcentre3.html
This one doesn't need any proprietary IE code to get the centering to work
in IE, but it does require a bit of
The example on wpdfd.com is also dead slow on my IE6 when resizing
horizontally. It performs well when resizing vertically. Hmm.
--Jacob
Theo Welch schrieb:
Here's another (probably older) approach to vertical centering with CSS
I've
been using for a while.
Gavin M. Roy schreef:
Unfortunately both are unusable to a degree. While yours uses table
for layout, which I avoid like the plague and thickbox has hardcoded
javascript values for getting at data, both of you suffer from
requiring control of the body tag. I often in design separate
I've already stated my appreciation for what the plugin will do(and does so
far) in the original announcement thread. I also offered money for it once
usable. I have a client project which would have been made more pleasant by
this. As it stands, though, I'm having to look at the Prototype
Hi Klaus,
Since when did the use of tables become taboo or cause issues with
accessibility?
I understand your rationale for using tables to display tabular data but
prior to CSS, they also served as the main method for positioning all
types of data and forms. And while I am making a shift to
Hi Su,
Everything you mentioned in *this* email is exactly what you should've
stated from the get-go. This is the type of feedback that will help
Gilles better a plugin thats truly needed by this community.
Again, if you read my initial reply to you, you'll see that what I'm
asking is that
Rey Bango schrieb:
Hi Klaus,
Since when did the use of tables become taboo or cause issues with
accessibility?
Hi Rey,
since people have started to use screen readers. The contents of a table
are read in the order they appear in the source, not as they appear on
the screen. Have you
Gosh talk about slow to load... That yahoo thing took a while to load,
I'll say.
--Jacob
If it was as fast and as cool looking as YUI's BasicDialog (
http://www.jackslocum.com/blog/2006/11/04/033-beta-2-basicdialog-yahooextview-and-more/),
I'm sure a lot of people would use it... you wouldn't
Hi Klaus,
Yes, this is just my personal opinion as being a web developer and it
wasn't meant to be offensive.
Unfortunately I can't imagine anything more important than
accessibility. If I can't convince you (or anybody else) with that I'll
certainly give up and won't bother you again
On 26/11/06, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:What I'm trying to say is
that if there are other compelling reasons to
not use tables, then I want to know them. Web accessibility is a very
important issue but there has to be more to your thinking than just web
accessibility or it's really, really
Thanks Giuliano. Thats the additional type of info that I was looking for!
Rey.//
Giuliano Marcangelo wrote:
On 26/11/06, *Rey Bango* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:What I'm trying to say is that if there are other compelling
reasons to
not use tables, then I want to know
And use my window plugin :)
Why?
Thickbox was made for images
Window plugin was made for popups (dialogs)
Just my $0.02
-- Gilles
http://gilles.jquery.com/window/
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But, I have a feelling that your plugin is very slow OTOH, semanticaly,
you are right
2006/11/25, Webunity | Gilles van den Hoven [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
And use my window plugin :)
Why?
Thickbox was made for images
Window plugin was made for popups (dialogs)
Just my $0.02
-- Gilles
Theres many reasons why someone would want to use thickbox instead of your
plugin.
1. Your plugin uses tables, noone likes tables.
2. Your plugin is slow compared to thickbox
3. Your plugin uses a bunch of things from the Interface library, thickbox
only needs jquery.
4. Your plugin is a bit
Yay! It's out! Thanks Gilles. Great work. I can't wait to start using
it. Now, we need a little repository for different themes. :o)
Chris
Dragan Krstic wrote:
But, I have a feelling that your plugin is very slow OTOH,
semanticaly, you are right
2006/11/25, Webunity | Gilles van den
uhm, all the samples seems not working on the last version of Safari ;)
2006/11/25, Matt Stith [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Theres many reasons why someone would want to use thickbox instead of your
plugin.
1. Your plugin uses tables, noone likes tables.
2. Your plugin is slow compared to thickbox
3.
What's wrong with tables? Tables allow this box to be themeable, right?
I agree that tables prolly shouldn't be used to layout an entire page,
but this is a little popup (or a big one)... in either case, it just
lays out the frame within which the content of the popup is held. I
don't think
Its very possible to make the box themeable with CSS.
On 11/25/06, Christopher Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's wrong with tables? Tables allow this box to be themeable, right? I
agree that tables prolly shouldn't be used to layout an entire page, but
this is a little popup (or a big
Okay. Well, Gilles seemed to think there was a problem with it. I still
don't see the problem. Oh well. :o)
Chris
Matt Stith wrote:
Its very possible to make the box themeable with CSS.
On 11/25/06, *Christopher Jordan* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's wrong
Christopher Jordan schrieb:
What's wrong with tables? Tables allow this box to be themeable, right?
No, that's CSS (at least in 2006). Tables are for tabular data. I don't
see any need for tables to let something be themeable.
Apart from that, you can make an element render like a table with
What about what Gilles says on his demo page:
Layout of the dialogs To be honest one of the first things i started on
was the dialog itself. I decided to go for CSS a table layout. What?
Tables!? They are so... 1995! Yeah i know, but in this particular
scenario tables where the only way to
Christopher Jordan schrieb:
What about what Gilles says on his demo page:
Layout of the dialogs To be honest one of the first things i started on
was the dialog itself. I decided to go for CSS a table layout. What?
Tables!? They are so... 1995! Yeah i know, but in this particular
I see. So is it like the lesser of two evils (because IE doesn't comply
with all the standard CSS gizmos, like display: table-cell)? Either you
use tables, or you have to use conditional comments, and some other
CSS-for-IE hacks to make it work? Does that sound about right? And, is
this really
Unfortunately both are unusable to a degree. While yours uses table
for layout, which I avoid like the plague and thickbox has hardcoded
javascript values for getting at data, both of you suffer from
requiring control of the body tag. I often in design separate html
and body from each
On 11/25/06, Webunity | Gilles van den Hoven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And use my window plugin :)
I realize there's a smiley on the end, but this really /is/ a joke, right?
Your plugin frankly isn't anywhere near ready for public use, as much as I
wish it were.
Gilles,
Congrats on getting this out my man. I know you've been working hard on
trying to make the first cut simply awesome. Hopefully, you'll take some
of the feedback given as a basis to further improve a great piece of work.
I'm looking forward to using it myself and while some hard core
Su, if you're going to make a comment like that, at least have the
courtesy to:
1) Cite the reasons that you feel his work isn't ready
2) Offer up solutions or examples that could help him out in improving
his work
Gilles is trying to provide functionality which really isn't available
to the
I agree. Thanks for saying that Rey.
Cheers,
Chris
Rey Bango wrote:
Su, if you're going to make a comment like that, at least have the
courtesy to:
1) Cite the reasons that you feel his work isn't ready
2) Offer up solutions or examples that could help him out in improving
his work
Gilles
Rey Bango schrieb:
some hard core CSS fans might not use it because of tables
To me, that has nothing to do with fanism, it's more about using
things the way they are meant to and also, if it weren't a javascript
window, that is not much accessible anyway, about accessibility.
-- Klaus
Hay Gilles,
Thanks for your all your hard work.
I too really appreciate your efforts.
Kind regards
Rob
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