Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread Jared Spool
On Oct 11, 2008, at 12:05 AM, Kontra wrote: We don't live in a theocracy where *you* get to judge whether legally accrued profits are to your liking or if a buyer of a company is allowed to see value in it that you can't. *I* believe *I* do. (And Eric's right. You probably meant meritocra

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread Eric Scheid
On 11/10/08 3:05 PM, "Kontra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We don't live in a theocracy where *you* get to judge whether legally > accrued profits are to your liking or if a buyer of a company is allowed to > see value in it that you can't. that would be a meritocracy, not a theocracy, I'm sure.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread Kontra
> But if Facebook ends up being something less than that -- say, a big and >> popular Website, but not a world-changing business that throws off billions >> a dollars a year and disrupts multiple industries -- then Mark's backers may >> end up wondering why they didn't push him to figure that soone

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread Eric Scheid
On 11/10/08 4:43 AM, "Andrei Herasimchuk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Blizzard has around that for World of Warcraft paying $15 a month, and > it's just a game. I think Facebook would be able to pull it off. Firstly, about 6 million of that 10 million are in asia/china, where they pay on an hour

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IxD in government

2008-10-10 Thread J. Scot Angus
William - I hear ya. As a designer who cares deeply about experiences, I too sought to effect the change you speak of (in fact, for the last 15 years)... but gave up this past Feb. Glad to hear you're still willing to carry the torch because someone needs to carry it. I can tell you this.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to represent overlapping objects

2008-10-10 Thread William Brall
If you mean how to represent objects that cluster very closely, the only advice I can give is to make sure your markers are large enough to give the users enough area to tap. Circles work decently as they tend to crescent around each other, where vertically or horizontally arranged squares appear t

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IxD in government

2008-10-10 Thread William Brall
Jack, You make a really fantastic point. It is perhaps rather like the tree that breaks the rock. Once it gets its roots into a crack it slowly breaks open the stone. What lasted a million years is shattered in 10. I'm in a prime location to lead by example. My co-workers have been receptive and

[IxDA Discuss] Seattle monthly meetup - Tuesday 10/14

2008-10-10 Thread Aaron Louie
On the 2nd Tuesday of every month, Seattle-area information architects, user-centered designers, librarians, technical writers, and usability folk meet up at the Elysian pub in Capitol Hill to talk shop and socialize. The format is informal - all you need to bring is a topic of conversation, such a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread Jared Spool
On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Kontra wrote: If you're counting, three years from now would be nearly 7 years since Mark (and others) started Facebook at Harvard, and four years since Microsoft plowed $240 million into the company. So what? Google made its first $100MM profit 5 years after

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IxD in government

2008-10-10 Thread Jack Moffett
On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:42 PM, William Brall wrote: Are there any other IxDs who work in government, as IxDs or stubbornly supporting IxD while under other titles, and if there are, what are your thoughts on how to help the government at large to embrace IxD? William, My company does a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread mark schraad
Yes Kontra, we all get that you are totally impressed that they generated some funding. But in the real world we look for proof that they can make money. We call this revenue and accountants (and share holders) are interested in extrapolating from that revenue some indication of profit. Fur

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread will Callaghan
I managed to send my reply just to Andrei - sorry Andrei - not this list. Newbie alert! I agree that paying for content and services is one way out of this. But how likely is it that Facebook will start charging when there's countless other social networks that are willing to offer as much for fre

[IxDA Discuss] How to represent overlapping objects

2008-10-10 Thread Iram Mirza
Hello: I am designing a map feature where there may be several objects that can overlap. Anyone have any suggestions on how best to indicate overlapping items? Some of the options are using the indicators similar to the ones used in Google Maps, or pins. TIA, -Iram __

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Two column form layout

2008-10-10 Thread Lois Lewis
Hi all - great discussion. I've designed a one-column presentation - in an application and am currently designing a two-column screen in an application. The decision to go with one-column was based on the mental model the users had of their paper form - where they simply moved down the page to fill

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Two column form layout

2008-10-10 Thread Markus Nordin
I also agree with the general idea that two columns would work nicely, if grouping them logically by fieldset for both visual and code understanding. I would like to bring into the discussion in which order the fields should be ordered, when using a two column layout. Let me draw you an example, a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Touchscreen sensitivity parameters

2008-10-10 Thread Terry Fitzgerald
some more stuff about touchscreen sensitivity http://code.google.com/p/iphone-haptics/ Terry F Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://w

Re: [IxDA Discuss] ANN: Puget Sound IxDA meeting 10/23 - "Game Onward: Lessons from Game Design"

2008-10-10 Thread William Brall
I'm getting Irony Overload off Mac Smith of Microsoft Game Studios. This sounds really interesting. It is too bad I can't make it. Will there be a way to listen in on this remotely? Is there a place I can watch to get notes, slides, or whatever from this? I fell into IxD through Game Design mysel

Re: [IxDA Discuss] I want THIS for IxD sketching!

2008-10-10 Thread codyfrew
Very slick. But I don't see how you can track the depth of your stroke by drawing on a 2D surface. I mean if I draw a line, will that line be in front, behind, or in the middle of all the other lines I have drawn before? Will it make sense to me when I rotate it? The person drawing in the video s

[IxDA Discuss] IxD in government

2008-10-10 Thread William Brall
Howdy everyone, I've spent my career working through various government agencies - NASA, DOD - and one of the most nerve-racking aspects of software development in here is how far they lag behind the curve. It is to the point where almost all of the people I interact with haven't the slightest

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Visual Display of Information

2008-10-10 Thread Drausio R. Haddad
Here is one of my heroes in visual display information The most design oriented of Edward Tuffe's book. Envisioning information shows maps,charts,scientific presentations, diagrams, computer interfaces, timetables and many other wonderful displays of information. It's a must have book in your s

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread Kontra
> If you're counting, three years from now would be nearly 7 years since Mark > (and others) started Facebook at Harvard, and four years since Microsoft > plowed $240 million into the company. So what? Google made its first $100MM profit 5 years after and went public 6 years after its incorporat

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Need user data on iPhone adoption by age

2008-10-10 Thread Kontra
So less than one in four even want an iPhone? Sounds pretty unpopular among teens to me! *Any* company still residing on this planet would kill to get such numbers given the margins, carrier subsidies and recurring post-sale revenues from the iPhone. In business as in design, context is everythin

[IxDA Discuss] Examples of "anchored" navigation anyone?

2008-10-10 Thread Celeste Cefalu
Hello all, I'm having trouble finding some examples of an interesting UI I -know- I've seen. I'm not sure what to call it, and have browsed some of my go-to interaction design libraries I'm thinking of a navigation that is anchored to the bottom of the browser. The user may scroll down to bro

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Visual Display of Information

2008-10-10 Thread Kontra
> If you're planning on such a project, you may want to check out Nicholas' > web app for doing just that: > http://daytum.com/ If you really want to get granular, go nuts: Daily question: Too much or not enough? http://counternotions.com/2008/10/02/details/ -- Kontra http://counternotions.com

[IxDA Discuss] Whistler Trip after IxDA

2008-10-10 Thread Todd Zaki Warfel
Anyone interested in doing a trip to Whistler after the IxDA conference? They have a bus that will take you from Vancouver to Whistler and back. Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel President, Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully. -- Contact

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do you regard "Interaction Design" as good name for your design practice? else, what's your prefer?

2008-10-10 Thread Steve Baty
I think of myself within the sphere of user experience. Interaction, interface, information, service, decision-making, form components of the work that I carry out, but the focus of the effort is on the experience. Steve 2008/10/11 Jarod Tang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > As we found (interaction relat

[IxDA Discuss] ANN: Puget Sound IxDA meeting 10/23 - "Game Onward: Lessons from Game Design"

2008-10-10 Thread Andrew Otwell
http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1201430 Join us for our next Puget Sound IXDA meeting - hosted by Microsoft's Office Labs (www.officelabs.com) on October 23 at 7pm, on Microsoft's main campus - Building 33. "Game Onward: Lessons from game design" This is a chance to learn where the fields of inte

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do you regard "Interaction Design" as good name for your design practice? else, what's your prefer?

2008-10-10 Thread William Evans
See sig... will evans emotive architect & hedonic designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617.281.1281 twitter: semanticwill aim: semanticwill gtalk: wkevans4 skype: semanticwill _ Sent via iPhone On Oct 10, 2008, at 7:31 PM, "Jarod Tang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As we found (int

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do you regard "Interaction Design" as good name for your design practice? else, what's your prefer?

2008-10-10 Thread mark schraad
for the most part I am a designer. if I meet someone in business, on a plane, or at a party... I am a User Experience Designer. It makes the conversation simpler. People seem to get it. in my work I do interaction design, information architecture design, visual design and product design.

[IxDA Discuss] Do you regard "Interaction Design" as good name for your design practice? else, what's your prefer?

2008-10-10 Thread Jarod Tang
As we found (interaction related) guys talk about the design in different names ( interaction design, user experience design or user interface design , etc). Myself also found shifting between the names back and forth in different projects along the time. What's your preferred name for your real w

[IxDA Discuss] World Usability Day - NY

2008-10-10 Thread Ricardo Grzeca
Hey guys, Do you know about any event taking place in NY on Nov 13? I just noticed that there's none listed at http://www.worldusabilityday.org/en/events/2008/country#us-anchor Cheers. Ricardo Welcome to the Interaction Design As

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread Steve Baty
Andrei 2008/10/11 Andrei Herasimchuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Blizzard has around that for World of Warcraft paying $15 a month, and it's > just a game. I think Facebook would be able to pull it off. > In the context of this discussion WoW is more that 'just a game'. There is a very deep and exte

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Two column form layout

2008-10-10 Thread Jack Moffett
Oops. My link broke. Let me try that again. http://gallery.me.com/jackmoffett#100025/JobForm And Caroline, I apologize for somehow getting your last name wrong on the quote. Jack Jack L. Moffett Interaction Designer inmedius 412.459.0310 x219 http://www.inmedius.com If there's anything m

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Two column form layout

2008-10-10 Thread Jack Moffett
Caroline, This is a simple example, but it is a screen that I was able to easily scrub for public display. http://gallery.me.com/jackmoffett#100025/JobForm Best, Jack Caroline Jennet wrote: "And now back to me learning more: It would be great to see some examples of your two-column application

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread Oleh Kovalchuke
Jonathan Abbett wrote: > The major draw of Facebook is ubquity -- everyone you know from high > school, college, maybe even the office has a profile. Charging for > Facebook would drive away large swaths of users... Hmmm... Napster. --> [iTunes+iPod] + bittorrent + [Napster+fee] -- Oleh Kovalc

[IxDA Discuss] Can't locate a UI article

2008-10-10 Thread Mark Pawson
I have lost a reference to a very handy and short article on design whcih I swear I found via IXDA. Anyone out there know about an article that breaks down a design problem into five categories: Key Components, Objects, Actions, User, System? Apologies to the author because I believe it was your IX

[IxDA Discuss] Sketching for Interaction Design - Still happening - 10/29

2008-10-10 Thread David Malouf
Hey there, Since canceling the initial class by SmartExperience.org I've gotten a few late registrants interested in doing the 1-day workshop. If those who registered the first time and these new people + a couple more new ones jump in, I can teach the class. We are looking to do this on a new dat

[IxDA Discuss] Interaction'09|vancouver workshops

2008-10-10 Thread Petroff, Greg
Hi Everyone, Wanted to let everyone know about the 12 cool workshops we have planned for the conference. Links will take you to the crowdvine site for the conference. Well, we did all this research … now what? With Steve Portigal http://interaction09.crowdvine.com/talks/show/2565 Design Studio

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread Michael Tuminello
If you wanted to figure out the size of the actual market for facebook (as it is today), I'd say find out what percentage of the population keeps their high school yearbooks, and looks through them periodically. The similar problem with facebook to yearbooks is that it encourages people t

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Bill Verplank sketched metaphors and paradigms

2008-10-10 Thread greg
We will also have a great workshop on sketching at interaction'09|vancouver. http://interaction09.crowdvine.com/talks/show/2575 Highlights from the workshop: * Be introduced to design sketching * Explore what design sketching is and how it is different from fine art drawing * Learn quick and di

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread Bryan Minihan
It might be interesting to see some innovation in the subscription model for web sites, as (maybe it's just me) folks can only take so many $10-$20 hits to their wallet every month. I have a tough enough time shelling out $60 for a cell phone... On the other hand, cloud computing is making a lot

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread Jonathan Abbett
The major draw of Facebook is ubquity -- everyone you know from high school, college, maybe even the office has a profile. Charging for Facebook would drive away large swaths of users, and I predict that would have a negative snowballing effect: what's the use if only a small (and decreasing) port

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread mark schraad
It's to late for the pay for service model. If that was the direction they wanted to go in, it should have been implemented in mid growth stage prior to maturity, when the delta was steep. Instead, they were betting (I am assuming) on some magic pie-in-the-sky startup evaluation that never material

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread Will Evans
to echo/amplify MTs point - in three years facebook could be friendster or yahoo 360 - in which case it won't matter - a dead mule needs no business plan. On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Michael Tuminello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 3 years is probably how long it will take for people to have e

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread Michael Tuminello
3 years is probably how long it will take for people to have enough personal data and other investment in the system to consider paying $9 a month for it. plus by then they'll be sure their competitors have given up, assuming facebook still exists. :-) personally, I think facebook is the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread Will Evans
I don't disagree with you Andrei - I think some people would value it - between $3 and $12/month. Its currently free - and I see 0 value in (hence my page is so dead), but some - like DaveM, do value it, and might even be willing to pay for the privilege of being super-poked. On Fri, Oct 10, 2008

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-10 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Oct 9, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Jared Spool wrote: What I've been praying for, to learn what Facebook's business plan is, will be finally answered! In 3 years, once Mark Zuckerberg figures it out. http://is.gd/3MSY So... I have to wonder out loud: Why not just charge $9/month for a Facebook a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Standards of Professional Practice

2008-10-10 Thread Chauncey Wilson
The most stringent standards of professional practice is probably those of the American Psychological Association (APA). They have a bound manual that is probably 75 pages. Some of the sections deal with medical and therapy ethics for humans and animals and may not be so relevant. When I was wor

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Standards of Professional Practice

2008-10-10 Thread Chauncey Wilson
I helped draft the UPA Code of Conduct and would be interested in comments. I could fill in some of the background that went into the code of conduct. Chauncey On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:08 AM, William Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > UPA has one too on their site > > will evans > emotive arch

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Standards of Professional Practice

2008-10-10 Thread Will Evans
http://www.upassoc.org/about_upa/leadership/code_of_conduct.html I was emailing from my phone earlier - there is the link. On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Chauncey Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > I helped draft the UPA Code of Conduct and would be interested in > comments. I could fill i

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Bill Verplank sketched metaphors and paradigms

2008-10-10 Thread Jared Spool
On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:44 PM, mark schraad wrote: That would make for one hell of a single day workshop! One of the highlights of my career was taking a one-day workshop from Bill Verplank at CHI 89. (For all everyone likes to "dis" the CHI conferences, there have been some seminal worksho

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Standards of Professional Practice

2008-10-10 Thread William Evans
UPA has one too on their site will evans emotive architect & hedonic designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617.281.1281 twitter: semanticwill aim: semanticwill gtalk: wkevans4 skype: semanticwill _ Sent via iPhone On Oct 10, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Kevin Silver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[IxDA Discuss] Standards of Professional Practice

2008-10-10 Thread Kevin Silver
Hi, Does anyone know of or use (abide by) Standards of Professional Practice other than the one AIGA has outlined? I'm interested to see if there are any alternatives. Thanks, Kevin Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (

Re: [IxDA Discuss] social features turnover

2008-10-10 Thread Mabel Ney
>From eMarketer "Asked about the effects of customer ratings on their Web sites, over half of online retailers in the United Kingdom, the United States and Europe said their overall conversion rates had gone up in the past year, compared with only 9% who said they fell. Over three-quarters said th

Re: [IxDA Discuss] social features turnover

2008-10-10 Thread Mark Canlas
It sounds like a bad idea, for two reasons I could think of right now. One, adding features doesn't guarantee a better user experience, in the same way that gaming page views doesn't accurately measure how people are using the site. You could have all of the features in the world and still no one w

Re: [IxDA Discuss] social features turnover

2008-10-10 Thread Mabel Ney
Here are a fewe articles that may help define "social" and metrics for this particular site, audience and business goals. blogs.forrester.com/marketing/2008/08/b2b-marketers-e.html mashable.com/2008/07/31/measuring-social-media-roi-for-business/ www.web-strategist.com/blog/2008/07/18/forrester-r

Re: [IxDA Discuss] social features turnover

2008-10-10 Thread Johan Sjöstrand
Thanks Patrick and Bryan. Your responses do help. I would like to clarify a bit. This site sell products, so the social layer would probably be opinion based to help increase sales. But I've also heard rumors about user submitted content such as articles, multimedia etc that would serve as

Re: [IxDA Discuss] social features turnover

2008-10-10 Thread Bryan Minihan
I don't think you could reliably answer that question without specifically targeting a single web site, its purpose, audience, current metrics and what kind of social features you plan to implement. You might as well ask "how many new users can we expect if we allowed people to create an account o

[IxDA Discuss] social features turnover

2008-10-10 Thread Johan Sjöstrand
Hello. I would need some help to reply to a clients request. He's asking veery generally how much turnover you could get on page views / time spent on site if you would to implement social features. What does social features would be is not clear. The site is very established. He's asking

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Visual Display of Information

2008-10-10 Thread Jack Moffett
Yohan, For starters, check out this Delicious list: http://delicious.com/InfoDesignViz/Interactive Filter it by the "Interactive" tag. This is a list of references that I'm using as examples in the class I'm teaching. Best, Jack On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:05 PM, Yohan Creemers wrote: The best

Re: [IxDA Discuss] ACD/UCD Round Two

2008-10-10 Thread Will Evans
Nice post Bruce, I was just thinking -there are things that are useful for marketing ixd and things that are useful to people within the field which further praxis and allow ideation. Selling methodologies is great. Creating an organizing umbrella which houses a set of methods and practices which

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Visual Display of Information

2008-10-10 Thread Yohan Creemers
I like the visual style of Nicholas Feltron's annual report. But why are infographics so extremely non-interactive? I have seen very few examples of interactive infographics (and I'm following Manuel Lima's weblog) while interaction could add so much to help people understand the information. The