Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-15 Thread aubuti
RonM;485639 Wrote: > The other thing we did when building was install good speaker wire in > the walls, from the obvious location for the main stereo system, to the > obvious main listening area. This was a great idea, but too limited. I > wish we'd installed more locations allowing connectons

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-15 Thread jmpage2
RonM;485639 Wrote: > We built our house ten years ago, and seized the opportunity to install > cabling in the walls (at the time, to support distribution of satellite > tv and also ethernet to computers). We put connect boxes in a whole lot > of places, all terminated at a patch panel -- still b

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-15 Thread RonM
We built our house ten years ago, and seized the opportunity to install cabling in the walls (at the time, to support distribution of satellite tv and also ethernet to computers). We put connect boxes in a whole lot of places, all terminated at a patch panel -- still bristling with multiple cable

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-14 Thread cunobelinus
Adapters cost here about £30 at each end for a single ethernet port, or £70 for an extension with three ethernet ports and seven power sockets. That's a lot less expensive than any quote I've had for running equivalent concealed cables within the walls and floors round this place. Terminating an

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-14 Thread jmpage2
cunobeli...@mac.com;484626 Wrote: > A lot less expensive than a professional rewiring of an existing > property. A lot less trouble than doing it oneself. And from what I've > experienced so far, just as reliable. > That's what I mean, since you ask so politely. > I politely disagree. Powerline

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-12 Thread cunobelinus
So it is. My mistake. On 12 Nov 2009, at 17:13, Pat Farrell wrote: > cunobeli...@mac.com wrote: >> A lot less expensive than a professional rewiring of an existing >> property. A lot less trouble than doing it oneself. And from what >> I've experienced so far, just as reliable. > > This thread

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-12 Thread Pat Farrell
cunobeli...@mac.com wrote: > A lot less expensive than a professional rewiring of an existing > property. A lot less trouble than doing it oneself. And from what > I've experienced so far, just as reliable. This thread is about new construction. But for an existing house, by all means try homepl

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-12 Thread cunobelinus
A lot less expensive than a professional rewiring of an existing property. A lot less trouble than doing it oneself. And from what I've experienced so far, just as reliable. That's what I mean, since you ask so politely. On 12 Nov 2009, at 14:49, Pat Farrell wrote: > cunobeli...@mac.com wrote:

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-12 Thread MuckleEck
Over on this side of the pond I would recommend using the best cable you can afford labour costs totally outweigh the cost of the materials. Using some form of pre-roped ducting is great although knowing some of the building pratcices I have seen they won't respect that fact that tight bends are

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-12 Thread Pat Farrell
JJZolx wrote: > Plenum rated network cable in home construction is a waste. Your sofa > burning will give off more toxic fumes than it takes to kill a herd of > elephants. Even if the cabling runs through air delivery or return > spaces, it's not the same situation as being in a hi-rise, where a

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-12 Thread jmpage2
radish;484543 Wrote: > I've been wanting to do this for ages but am a little worried about > regs. I know it can vary by locality, but does anyone know if in general > (in the US) a homeowner can do this kind of work without getting > permits/inspections etc? I'm concerned about insurance compani

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-12 Thread Pat Farrell
radish wrote: > I know it can vary by locality, but does anyone know if in general > (in the US) a homeowner can do this kind of work without getting > permits/inspections etc? I'm concerned about insurance companies having > a "get out" if they decide you had unauthorized wiring in the walls > af

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-12 Thread Pat Farrell
cunobeli...@mac.com wrote: > Or use Homeplug. Certainly not as neat, given the size of the > adaptors, as having cables installed, but much less expensive, and it > works. What do you mean, much less expensive? I'll agree that paying for labor to pull wires in existing construction is expensive, b

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-12 Thread radish
I've been wanting to do this for ages but am a little worried about regs. I know it can vary by locality, but does anyone know if in general (in the US) a homeowner can do this kind of work without getting permits/inspections etc? I'm concerned about insurance companies having a "get out" if they

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-12 Thread cunobelinus
Or use Homeplug. Certainly not as neat, given the size of the adaptors, as having cables installed, but much less expensive, and it works. On 12 Nov 2009, at 01:05, Pat Farrell wrote: > ajkidle wrote: >> If I were going to run ethernet throughout the house (new >> construction,) what kind do sho

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-11 Thread JJZolx
Plenum rated network cable in home construction is a waste. Your sofa burning will give off more toxic fumes than it takes to kill a herd of elephants. Even if the cabling runs through air delivery or return spaces, it's not the same situation as being in a hi-rise, where a fire on the 32nd floo

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-11 Thread Pat Farrell
SuperQ wrote: > When I remodeled the 2nd floor of a house 5 years ago I ran EMT steel > conduit to all of the wall jacks. It was a pain in the ass and it cost > a lot more money. That's why I suggested the blue flex plastic conduit that they sell at Home Depot or Lowes, its cheap, easy to insta

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-11 Thread SuperQ
Run conduit that you can fish cable through if you have the walls apart. When I remodeled the 2nd floor of a house 5 years ago I ran EMT steel conduit to all of the wall jacks. It was a pain in the ass and it cost a lot more money. Five years later I could, if I still owned the place, pull out

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-11 Thread Pat Farrell
jmpage2 wrote: > Also, make sure whatever you run is rated class-2 or class-3 for in > wall use. Some cheap cables are not rated for in wall use and > technically can spread a fire or toxic fumes if there is a fire. Speaking of fires, if you run any cable through a heating or air-conditioning duc

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-11 Thread jmpage2
CAT6 is definitely more future proof. You can run 1 GB over both CAT5e and CAT6 but it's likely that CAT6 will eventually be able to handle even higher speeds. I also agree that if you can run some of the small diameter "smurf tube" conduits since it will make it easier in the future to backhaul

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-11 Thread pski
I'm with Pat: I would use Cat 6 because the bulk price does not add to the price (as he says.) I'm not sure anyone has bulk Cat 7 and (as usual) the making of the connection can be as important as the cable in-between (though connections can be re-done.) Proponents might point out that 5e should

Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-11 Thread Keymaster
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Re: [slim] A question about cats

2009-11-11 Thread Pat Farrell
ajkidle wrote: > If I were going to run ethernet throughout the house (new > construction,) what kind do should I use? Cat 5, Cat 5e, Cat 6, etc.? > I'd like to be able to run gigabit speeds, and have some measure of > future proofing as it's difficult to re-run ethernet once the drywall is > up.

[slim] A question about cats

2009-11-11 Thread ajkidle
Very curious to see if that subject line draws any views. In the case that it does... If I were going to run ethernet throughout the house (new construction,) what kind do should I use? Cat 5, Cat 5e, Cat 6, etc.? I'd like to be able to run gigabit speeds, and have some measure of future proof