This might be posted somewhere else. In that case I apologies.
I'm eagerly awaing the release of the Sq Duet! When it comes out I
certainly wan't to buy a NAS to support it. But what to buy?
I don't wan't to spend to much money on it, and probably won't be
needing more than approx 100-200 GB. An
Is there a definitive guide to setting up slmdevices on a nas? I've just
incorporated a nas at work at the second attempt, switching from a
totally useless Netstore nas to a speedy and competent Lacie Ethernet
server. I know the Lacie is 4 times the cost of the Netstore, but it
performs at least 1
I have been poking around the forums and faq for a while but have not
found answers to this question.
I have used an audiotron for years. So, I am used to having my music
stored on a server and a music system that runs regardless of what is
happening with the pc.
I have not found a set of sim
I know that there are many threads re. NAS devices for slimserver. I
tried the NSLU2 and whilst it worked okay(ish), it was frustrating
slow, even for menus. The Kurobox seems to rate highly. Has anyone had
any success and using AlienBBC with any NAS? Having access to live BBC
radio is an essentia
Hello All, I'm in the market for a NAS device ( minimum 400 gb ) and
would welcome any recommendations / advice from you learned lot, I've
seen one from DiskStorage which looks ok ( ~ £500 ) but I like a
recommendation really, I'm budgeting up to £1000
regards
Pete Kane
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What are the actual benefits of a NAS? is it just that you have the NAS
on all the time and it goes into sleep mode when not being used?
loads of questions really.
will the NAS wake when the SB tries to access it?
with SC 7 and accessing SN beta through that will it work?
what are the options
Look under 3rd party hardware. There are numerous posts on the topic.
>From my read, the consensus best performer is the Thecus 5200Pro. I
bought one based on those recommendations and am very pleased. Easy to
set up and quite fast.
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Shredder;265879 Wrote:
> Look under 3rd party hardware. There are numerous posts on the topic.
>
> From my read, the consensus best performer is the Thecus 5200Pro. I
> bought one based on those recommendations and am very pleased. Easy to
> set up and quite fast.
It is very good (I have one, ge
Thanks! I'll tjeck it out and look in the right forum.
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Limited budget + not much storage needed + requirement to feed album
artwork to take advantage of controller interface may not add up a NAS
as your best solution to be honest.
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My Squeezebox can not see/read my music collection stored on a Thecus
Mini NAS mounted as Drive Z: on Windows Explorer - Any idea -
Squeezecentre can only see drives C:\ D:\ E:\
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Lots of info in the forum dedicated to it...
http://forums.slimdevices.com/forumdisplay.php?f=18
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I'm looking for NAS that can backup my PC and MAC files and stream to SB
Touch. Anyone try this WD?
http://www.macmall.com/p/WD-NAS-(Network-Attached-Storage)/product~dpno~8214518~pdp.gcebegd
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Good evening
I have been lurking here for many years but have registered now in order
to seek some advice
My current set up is 2 x 8TB external HDDs attached to my Windows 10
desktop PC. LMS points to one tagged directory on each of the HDDs. I
then use a Squeezebox Touch connected to the music
On 12/18/05, 930 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have been poking around the forums and faq for a while but have notfound answers to this question.I have used an audiotron for years. So, I am used to having my musicstored on a server and a music system that runs regardless of what is
happening with t
930 wrote:
>(I did find various discussions of what I would really
>like to have running, music store and slimserver all standing alone on
>the NAS, but the technical requirements seem beyond my capabilities.
>Hopefully, this is something that gets simpler in time).
Hi,
In case you just need som
Marc D.Field said the following on 19/12/2005 06:07:
> 930 wrote:
>
>> (I did find various discussions of what I would really like to have
>> running, music store and slimserver all standing alone on the NAS,
>> but the technical requirements seem beyond my capabilities.
>> Hopefully, this is som
Can you run multiple squeezebox's off a single slimserver installed nas,
and if so how many can be connected and not many can be run at once?
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Not really sure about the whole NAS waking up thing, I never set mine to
sleep.
For me it isn't just for SS, it is my main bulk storage now too. I have
a 5x 500GB drive N5200. Making about 1.8TB of online storage.
I also treat is like an appliance, so while i mess about with my
laptops or deskto
NAS Devices are good for storing data but most of them are way under
powered for running thins like SS and SC. Just read through the threads
here, many people say they are under powerded.
For actually less money than a decent NAS i have a mini iTX computer
and a 500GB usb hard drive. The iTX is a
You will get en central storage you can share from serveral PC's. And if
you have a mediaplayer you can store you DVDs on the NAS and access them
from the media player. Power consumption on my nas is only 11w idle and
18w when running.
After 10min the HDD goes into hibernate.
I also have my homepa
schatzy wrote:
> For actually less money than a decent NAS i have a mini iTX computer
> and a 500GB usb hard drive. The iTX is a 1Ghz processor with 1GB ram
> and runs WIndows XP.
Which iTX hardware are you running?
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Espen;259784 Wrote:
> I am using such a setup. The only component that makes noise is the
> harddrive. I have configured it to spin down after a few minutes of
> inactivity.
I currently have two My Book 500GB hard drives. One is in use the other
is stored away as a back up. Both of these drives
schatzy;259768 Wrote:
>
>
> For actually less money than a decent NAS i have a mini iTX computer
> and a 500GB usb hard drive. The iTX is a 1Ghz processor with 1GB ram
> and runs WIndows XP. I have 3 SB3's connected to it all running
> different stream and no lag in the menu's on any of the SB3
thats pretty interesting actually. just looking at itx's now. most seem
to come with cd drives and small hard drives built in. I have an
external drive I would be happy to use as an external, and have built
computers before so am happy to build it myself. what kinda price could
a simple one cost?
Gibbo;259812 Wrote:
> thats pretty interesting actually. just looking at itx's now. most seem
> to come with cd drives and small hard drives built in. I have an
> external drive I would be happy to use as an external, and have built
> computers before so am happy to build it myself. what kinda pr
I have an elements drive already that is pretty quite, well it'd be ok
in the right location.
I'd love it if people could recommend some cheap setups and stores.
i'm in the uk.
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I have a NAS that is labled as drive Z. I sometimes have to power it
down and when I turn it back on and mount it, Windows can see it but SBS
can't. A reboot clears up the problem.
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Trie the UNC-Path to your server: \\server-ip\share (you can trie in the
windows explorer until it works). This is much more stable.
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Aurumer;497095 Wrote:
> Trie the UNC-Path to your server: \\server-ip\share (you can trie in the
> windows explorer until it works). This is much more stable.
Thanks for the advice I am now having more serious problems with my PC
actually seeing my NAS
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Do many of you use SSD drives in your NAS, are they much better than a
normal hard drive, apart from the noise and reliability benefits...?
Cheers...
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shacky wrote:
> I'm looking for NAS that can backup my PC and MAC files and stream to SB
> Touch. Anyone try this WD?
>
> http://www.macmall.com/p/WD-NAS-(Network-Attached-Storage)/product~dpno~8214518~pdp.gcebegd
You'll need something that can actually run the LMS program. Many NAS
units can'
+1
Some NAS manufacturers include LMS in the NAS firmware, but that doesn't
appear to be the case with this NAS. The web page says it has an 800MHz
CPU, which should be just good enough to run LMS, but I don't see the
amount of RAM listed anywhere. You should consider 256MB the absolute
minimum fo
garym wrote:
> You'll need something that can actually run the LMS program. Many NAS
> units can't. So be sure about this first. No clue about this particular
> NAS.
I second this. I bought a QNAP NAS specifically because the review I
read said it could run LMS, and there was an LMS package for
Yes, definitely make sure it either comes with LMS or you can install
and run it, before you spend the money on a NAS. Another brand of NAS
that I know supports LMS is the Netgear ReadyNAS. I've been using one
for years for the same backup/streaming purposes you're looking for, and
it works great.
See
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?84735-WD-MyBook-Live-NAS
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ply3908 wrote:
> See
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?84735-WD-MyBook-Live-NAS
A bit old ,nowadays you can safely ignore to install anything MySQL the
implemts tin is not working with LMS 7.7.2 unless you tweak some stuff
and on such a puny NAS is it worthwhile .
Does a my book re
Look for a NAS of a well known brand (good support and wide spread). It
is preferred to have a NAS with an Intel based architecture but it is
not a requirement. ARM based will work well too considering you select
one with enough processing power.
Im using a ReadyNAS NVX (Intel based) and that wor
I should have mentioned this in my earlier post in this thread. I used
two different NASs as my Squeezebox server over the course of about 3
years, and then switched to a basic headless pc with an Intel Atom
processor for the past 4+ years, and I have to say that I find the
headless pc a far bett
aubuti wrote:
> I used two different NASs as my Squeezebox server over the course of
> about 3 years, and then switched to a basic headless pc with an Intel
> Atom processor for the past 4+ years...
A lot has happened in those 4 past years. Many NAS's today have plenty
of horse power and cannot
Pascal Hibon wrote:
> A lot has happened in those 4 past years. Many NAS's today have plenty
> of horse power and cannot be compared to the poor performance NAS's had
> 4 years ago.
No disagreement from me. But a lot has also happened on the low-power PC
side of things as well, and I still think
The better NAS boxes are improved and the cheap NAS boxes are... Cheaper
?
And the market for general purpose computers in all sizes and hardware
typeshas exploded ,some uses them as media servers or media centres or
DIY NAS box or vortexbox .
The value of a NAS is often how usefull you find the
Mnyb wrote:
> The value of a NAS is often how usefull you find the bundled
> functionality they support with the hardware , some of it can require a
> lot of work and knowledge to set up correctly .
Agreed. I think the main advantage the typical 1 or 2 drive
consumer-grade NAS has over a smallis
Can SB access NAS music via iTunes? I see many come with iTunes
installed.
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shacky wrote:
> Can SB access NAS music via iTunes? I see many come with iTunes
> installed.
Generally yes, with the critical assumption that one can install LMS on
the nas. LMS can integrate with iTunes files/databases. BUT ONE STILL
NEEDS LMS RUNNING.
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aubuti wrote:
> Agreed. I think the main advantage the typical 1 or 2 drive
> consumer-grade NAS has over a smallish pc is convenience of setup.
I think it is a lot more than that. A NAS is designed to be a NAS from
the ground up. It provides things like advanced power management, easy
backup fe
shacky wrote:
> Can SB access NAS music via iTunes? I see many come with iTunes
> installed.
Many NASs have the capability the run 'iTunes Server'
(https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1876358?start=0&tstart=0).
But you do not necessary need that feature. You could also just store
your iTunes
ply3908 wrote:
> See
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?84735-WD-MyBook-Live-NAS
Mnyb wrote:
> A bit old ,nowadays you can safely ignore to install anything MySQL the
> implemts tin is not working with LMS 7.7.2 unless you tweak some stuff
> and on such a puny NAS is it worthwhile .
+1 for the My Book Live. You can find the 1TB on ebay for less than
$100. The instructions for installing LMS on your MBL are clearly set
out in the thread referenced earlier.
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A few points first.
1. Raid is not backup and shouldnt be considered as making it
unnecessary.
Raid is redundancy meaning that if a disk fails then you can replace it
with no loss of data.
Raid 1 uses 2 disks and the data is written to both (mirrored). 2 x 15tb
disks would give you a total of abo
xebec59 wrote:
> The disadvantage is that the HDDs contain directories which are tagged
> and available and directories with music waiting to be tagged.
>
> While this usually works well it can sometimes be hit and miss and I was
> considering using a NAS instead which would make available i
d6jg wrote:
>
> So. My 2p.
> 1. Get a NAS from either manufacturer but consider the storage
> requirement carefully. You can always upgrade the disks at a later
> stage.
> 2. Get yourself a Pi4. Install piCorePlayer and LMS on the Pi. Point it
> at the storage on the NAS.
>
> This is pretty m
I recommend looking at this model since the developer of
Qlogitechmediaserver has done such a good job.
I am using a raspberry pi with a 1 TB external usb drive and find after
the initial set up to be very dependable and maintenance free.
But I recommend reading this thread before you decide. You
d6jg wrote:
>
> 1. Get a NAS from either manufacturer but consider the storage
> requirement carefully. You can always upgrade the disks at a later
> stage.
> 2. Get yourself a Pi4. Install piCorePlayer and LMS on the Pi. Point it
> at the storage on the NAS.
Another advantage to having a Pi i
Hi xebec59
Welcome to posting on this forum.
>Essentially nearly 5000 CDs ripped plus later purchases.
It sounds like a lot ... like you'll need maybe 4 TB of disk space. At
Archimago's Musings he investigated what people actually have:
http://archimago.blogspot.com/2020/06/musingspoll-lifetim
There comes a time when everyone needs to buy or build a NAS.
If I buy or build one, I would certainly like to have my 14 TB of music
installed in it also.
What are the considerations for using it as a Squeezebox server also?
I will also use it as a Plex server for videos and movies and offsit
I'm sure most folks use an old PC (kept on 24/7) to run slim server
software but there was an interesting item in the FAQ about using a
NAS. Does anyone have any experience running it on a NAS and which
make/model specifically? I'm looking for a cheap setup as well.
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As I am ripping my way through my CD collection the PC is sprouting more
and more harddisks. It got me thinking that it may be time to move slim
to a separate machine.
A NAS box would be nice but they are quite expensive. For the same
money I could buy a nice new PC and rebuild my current PC into
hey people
i have an old toshiba 1410 laptop that i have been using as a dedicated
Slimserver (that isn't exhactly slim or silent) and am wondering what
would the best way to upgrade i feel it's time to
i am angling towards a NAS device
i have heard a lot about the devices and am wonderig ho
Hi everyone
Right now I'm using a S/B classic with all my music files stored on an
external Samsung 1.5 TB Hard drive, with the S/B server running on my
desktop computer. I'm thinking of changing to a NAS. But I have some
basic questions.
I. Is it a good idea?
2. Which brand (I can see there'
I have been having my Squeezebox for about one month now and I am
totally in awe of that. I listen mainly to Internet streams but I also
have a respectable collection of some 5.000 Mp3 collected over the
years. My server is a big powerful noisy machine running XP Pro. My
next logical step would be
Hello,
Now I've collected 3 SqueezeBoxes I'm thinking about a NAS.
I have read some threads here about this topic. The most people advice
the Thecus 5200 serie.
In Holland we have three versions:
-Thecus N5200
-Thecus N5200B Pro
-Thecus N5200BR(oustor) Pro
The only difference I can see
My server PC has died so i'm thinking of taking a different approach - a mac
mini in the kitchen (with EyeTV) as a media hub and an NAS to give me
properly resilient storage.
Any recommendations or advice? I've not owned or used a mac regularly for
many years.
Also, which NAS should I look at a
Can anyone walk me through the benefits/drawbacks of NAS vs. a basic USB
external drive? I haven't started to rip my collection yet (just bought
the SB3 a few days ago) and I want to set this up right. I'm really not
interested in the ability to share my music files across any other
computers.
I don't think you will see any real performance gain on the music
storage side during normal operations. But an SSD for the OS and LMS
application and database provides a dramatic improvement, particularly
on Windows based systems.
Win7Pro(x64)[3.3Ghz i5, 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD system, 15TB storage
Thanks poing, no it's purely for music files for my SBT, only need upto
1TB. I'm in the process of choosing a NAS drive. I just thought an SSD
would be more reliable and quieter, not sure if faster or not, this is
all new to me so not got a clue...!!!
Any tips/recommendations on a NAS drive...?
I think for a normal consumer/prosumer/small office usage, the benefits
are negligible. Or do you have 10 Gb Ethernet devices at home??
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I guess the reason that people are suggesting you won't see much/any
speed benefits from an SSD in a NAS is that the music server will
(probably?) be connected to your music player by 100Mbps or maybe 1Gbps
Ethernet (and you won't reach those nominal transfer speeds anyway:
probably reaching only
Seek times are radically different between rotating drives and SSD. If
you're in the habit of scanning your DB every day or zapping playlists
on a whim then an SSD could make a difference.
If you write/erase a lot on your drives then you can wear an SSD down,
although it is every unlikely. Usuall
epoch1970 wrote:
> These days I tend to replace drives every 2 years. A brand is no
> guarantee.
I just had to replace a Buffalo NAS after less than a year and a half.
Sure glad I back everything up!
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> However, you don't need -speed- for music playback do you?
>
Exactly. Disk I/O is not a bottleneck during playback, even if three or
four devices are playing simultaneously.
>
> more reliable: ??
> uses less power: possibly.
>
Probably no more reliable, although the points of
poing wrote:
> What a huge waste of resources. The chance that a drive dies within the
> next minute is not much different for a two-year old drive than for a
> brand-new drive. Even after four or five years of usage, HDD failure
> rates increase only modestly.
If you're speaking of experience, y
epoch1970 wrote:
> If you're speaking of experience, you are much more lucky than I am.
No, I'm not speaking of personal experience. I don't personal experience
is useful, as the sample size of an individual consumer is usually way
too small to draw any meaningful conclusions.
There are decent L
I see zero benefit in SSD over normal HD in an LMS environment. You
don't write very often and read times aren't critical. The extra cost of
SSD can't be justified at present.
That's not to say things won't change in favour of SSD but as of today a
Raid 1 plus scenario of normal HD seems perfectly
For LMS on NAS I'd recommend WD Red drives in a RAID 5 configuration.
The drives are quiet (way, way quieter than the Seagates I made the
mistake of trying a few years ago), low power, and plenty fast enough
for heavyweight music and HD video streaming. Plus RAID 5 gives you
great read performan
paulster wrote:
>
> I use an SSD for my LMS database and I can scan 20,000 tracks for
> updates in less than 30s on a Celeron-powered LMS server with a gigabit
> connection to the NAS.
>
Just as a comparison: I scan 10k tracks for updates in less than 20s on
a Marvell Kirkwood processor, no SSD
paulster wrote:
> For LMS on NAS I'd recommend WD Red drives in a RAID 5 configuration.
> The drives are quiet (way, way quieter than the Seagates I made the
> mistake of trying a few years ago), low power, and plenty fast enough
> for heavyweight music and HD video streaming. Plus RAID 5 gives
For music streaming there is absolutly no need to go for the SSD
scenario unless indeed like has been said before you want very fast
scanning which I personally do only occasionally. Either I do a search
for new tracks scan or I browse to the folder with new files and LMS
will automatically add on
The claim that an SSD allows for very fast scanning is highly
debatable.
LMS and its database are gonna fit into RAM on many setups. As RAM is
faster than an SSD, the SSD hardly matters. And music collections are
usually not on an SSD, so again the presence of an SSD doesn't make a
difference.
LMS and its database are gonna fit into RAM on many setups. As RAM is
True, if you're running 7.9 and enable the "maximum memory" option. But
not so much with older versions.
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poing wrote:
> The claim that an SSD allows for very fast scanning is highly
> debatable.***
> *** Obviously, one can measure this stuff, too. I'd like to see some
> numbers backing up the claim that an SSD speeds up things.
>
See 'here'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99783-LMS-sc
Roland0 wrote:
> See 'here'
> (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99783-LMS-scan-performance)
>
Thanks for sharing this, I hadn't seen that thread. One should note that
is for FULL scans which, to me, seem hardly necessary to do regularly.
Do you expect similar improvement for regular
Thanks for sharing this, I hadn't seen that thread. One should note that
is for FULL scans which, to me, seem hardly necessary to do regularly.
Do you expect similar improvement for regular (i.e., update) scans?
Yes, update scans did improve as well, at least when running the
external scanner (
mherger wrote:
> Now comes the interesting question: where would you like to see the
> bucks spent?
> Michael
[OT]
I would spend my bucks/time to clean up the tags, remove idv1 / ape and
so on.
Gruss
Jan
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I personally run Unraid
it can run both LMS and Plex as dockers
the main reason I like it is that you can use any combination of discs
(a true NAS requires them all to be the same size)
additionally the way it stores the files they are not striped across
multiple disks, therefore when accessin
I installed Ubuntu server on a small PC and mounted a share from my
NAS.
Runs both LMS and PMS.
SB Touch optical to Hegel H90, Speakers Larsen 4.2
Spare SB3
AirPlay Bridge to Audio Pro A10
Squeezelite-x connected to home LMS with ZeroTier One.
SB Radio
ReadyNAS 202
iPeng
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For many years I have had my music files on a 4 disk QNAP 419P NAS but I
stopped running LMS on it some time ago as it's an Arm processor and
only has 512mb RAM. It couldn't cope with lots of transcoding and the
last Qnap approved version of LMS was 7.7.6. It is however great at
doing its princip
Can someone suggest a build including OS or something pre-built that
would literally serve my 3 purposes: NAS + Squeezebox server + Plex
server.
My personal opinion: assuming you don't have Pis sitting around idle,
I'd go with a relatively beefy NAS which can run Docker. The latter
allows you
Plex and LMS run on pretty much everything, so it comes down to how much
time you have to build. I run a QNAP for plex and LMS with 90TB of
stuff. The QLMS package runs 8.3 fine.
You suggest you want off-site listening - whatever your NAS, do not
expose ports to web, or you will one day fin
Hi,
The company I work for are in the final throws of testing our NAS drive
that runs Slimserver out of the box.
I am looking for some feedback to the capacity sizes that we should
offer the box in. We are thinking of 120Gb, 160Gb, 200Gb, 250Gb and
400Gb sizes starting at around £229.99 ($400 ap
Hallo and Happy New Year to everyone.
I read all the posts about the problems users have using NAS Storage
with Slimserver. However they were all refering to using NAS for
RUNNING Slimserver. I would like to ask if a different approach would
be possible. That is, using NAS just for storage, and r
Most people recommend the Infrant ReadyNAS devices
- and Infrant even provides a modded version of
SlimServer to run on it.
Pricey though. If you can stand the fan noise or
can hide it somewhere an old PC will be as good or
better, and certainly more flexible.
pilotdude0807 wrote:
> I'm sure
howie.stone;638171 Wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> Right now I'm using a S/B classic with all my music files stored on an
> external Samsung 1.5 TB Hard drive, with the S/B server running on my
> desktop computer. I'm thinking of changing to a NAS. But I have some
> basic questions.
>
> I. Is it a g
yes, it is supposed to be, and for some (many) it may be.
But in the end, it is Linux, and a very specific version of Linux
without the full GUI most distros of Linux have today. So if you have
any issues you start needing to use Putty to login and write command
line code.
I switched over my WHS
firedog;638198 Wrote:
> yes, it is supposed to be, and for some (many) it may be.
>
point taken. And I do read the vortexbox forums as well so I know what
you're talking about. I suspect the Vortexbox appliance (purchased with
Vortexbox installed, etc.) is a bit more plug and play than installi
I'm starting to think that this is a bad idea. IT which is tricky when
problems arise sounds like a no go area for me. Problems are inevitably
going to come up.
Howie.
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Or you could try something like a Synology NAS, for example the 'DS111'
(http://www.synology.com/products/spec.php?product_name=DS111&lang=enu#p_submenu).
If you look at the download page of the product, they have a package
available for squeezebox. So it's not that difficult to set everything
up.
I have a QNAP TS-110, which was about the cheapest NAS that I could
locate that looked like it would host the SB server. There were
instructions on the QNAP site on how to install the SSOTS software and
the SB server. I wouldn't say it is for the novice, but then again, I
know absolutely nothing
What are the advantages over an external hard drive?
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