Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread autopilot
Dekker22;268815 Wrote: the failure to take constructive crticisim without taking offense is pretty off putting for a non-geek end user. Followed by... Dekker22;268815 Wrote: We are only stating what we find to be wrong with the dumb box. What up with all the trolling and

[slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Dekker22
It seems most posters on here work for the company and/or have a obvious vested interest in the slim device. However, the failure to take constructive crticisim without taking offense is pretty off putting for a non-geek end user. We are only stating what we find to be wrong with the dumb box.

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread MuckleEck
Dekker22;268815 Wrote: It seems most posters on here work for the company and/or have a obvious vested interest in the slim device. However, the failure to take constructive crticisim without taking offense is pretty off putting for a non-geek end user. Bearing in mind the size of slim

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread MuckleEck
Dekker22;268832 Wrote: I rest my case. It is a dumb box. It has no dials, no on/off switch, no reset switch. It is controlled remotely. It is therefore a dumb box. It may be full of very sophisticated electronics. In reality, however, it is classed as a dumb box. No offense was meant.

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Dekker22
All wireless devices have extremely variable reception distances, in an ideal world with perfect atmospheric conditions you may get 100m, in the real world with an average router (bearing in mind that the output from the router determines the distance achevable) 30m sounds low but not

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Dekker22
autopilot;268824 Wrote: Followed by... What up with all the trolling and flamebaiting on the forums recently? I rest my case. It is a dumb box. It has no dials, no on/off switch, no reset switch. It is controlled remotely. It is therefore a dumb box. It may be full of very

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread MuckleEck
Dekker22;268835 Wrote: No Black (although that is the colour)would signfy something underhand or sinister. I meant what I said - dumb. balck in the context that I meant is a box that is intelligent but gives no outer indications (much like the black box flight recorders on aircraft)

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Dekker22
MuckleEck;268837 Wrote: balck in the context that I meant is a box that is intelligent but gives no outer indications (much like the black box flight recorders on aircraft) Firstly you did not state in your original post that your laptop wored fine at the pool but the SB did not,

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread MuckleEck
Dekker22;268842 Wrote: Let's be honest it's reception is piss poor. To be honest I have had no issues with the reception of my 3 SBs in the house. However I have for a different reason (office in the garden) installed two 10dB aerials on my wireless router (before splashing out and putting

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread mflint
Dekker22;268815 Wrote: It seems most posters on here work for the company and/or have a obvious vested interest in the slim device. However, the failure to take constructive crticisim without taking offense is pretty off putting for a non-geek end user. Yes, there are a lot of SlimDevices /

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread slimpy
Dekker22;268815 Wrote: It seems most posters on here work for the company and/or have a obvious vested interest in the slim device. However, the failure to take constructive crticisim without taking offense is pretty off putting for a non-geek end user. We are only stating what we find

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Phil Leigh
Well said Matthew. Oh and I don't work for or have any affiliation with Slim/Logitech other than being a very happy user (who didn't get a Jive prototype...grumble, moan, whinge). I try and help others whenever I can, as I know just how great the thing can be when all is working as it should.

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread autopilot
Dekker22;268832 Wrote: I rest my case. It is a dumb box. It has no dials, no on/off switch, no reset switch. It is controlled remotely. It is therefore a dumb box. It may be full of very sophisticated electronics. In reality, however, it is classed as a dumb box. No offense was meant.

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Phil Leigh
The only mention of 100m I can find is the max length of the Ethernet cable! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread amcluesent
t then stopped the music (which put a downer on an otherwise great afternoon around the pool. Another party/squeezebox situation ends badly :) -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile:

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Peter
Dekker22 wrote: It seems most posters on here work for the company and/or have a obvious vested interest in the slim device. However, the failure to take constructive crticisim without taking offense is pretty off putting for a non-geek end user. Another vote for censoring the trolls.

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread tyler_durden
I think you need to slap your forehead with the heel of your hand and using your best Homer Simpson voice, let out a big Doh! The Slimdevices products are not yet Homer Simpson proof. Even though they look really simple because they don't have any buttons to push or knobs to turn, they are

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Phil Leigh
amcluesent;268861 Wrote: t then stopped the music (which put a downer on an otherwise great afternoon around the pool. Another party/squeezebox situation ends badly :) Yeah I guess there's a moral here somewhere... I think the designated driver idea is a good one - if you are going to

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread gw43
MuckleEck;268828 Wrote: AFAIK the SB3 and SS/SC will only play non-DRM lossy WMA files. Are your WMA files either DRMed? or lossless? We are here as a community to help. I can confirm that the SB3 will play WMA lossless files. Well, mine does anyway! -- gw43

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread cparker
100m for wireless, I doubt it. 30m sounds about right otherwise you are going to be needing a broadcast license LOL! ;) The web interface will tell you the strength of the signal and I think the intelligent black box can as well. I use a N class Netgear and the player is about 15m away on the

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread radish
cparker;268868 Wrote: Works fine with no problems, so I completely disagree with your comments about the quality of the antenna. Agreed. My master bedroom is the furthest point away from the router in my house and the SB2 is the only device which works reliably in there - laptops, iphone

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread MuckleEck
gw43;268866 Wrote: I can confirm that the SB3 will play WMA lossless files. Well, mine does anyway! I stand/sit/lie down (delete as appropriate) corrected. -- MuckleEck Alasdair 3 SB3s - Linn - Acoustat - AudioEngine 2 - Cambridge Audio 640R - Mordaunt Short

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Shredder
I don't think there is anything wrong with this post. I love the SD products and recommend them to everyone I know. I am a huge music fan and SD has greatly increased my enjoyment of my music. However, the Software has a lot of problems. That cannot be disputed; just read all the posts.

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Peter
Shredder wrote: I don't think there is anything wrong with this post. I do and I'm not an employee. Just a reader who gets tired of inflammatory startposts. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread mikeswingler
As another non-geek (and UK based), I have found getting to grips with the SB since I got mine in Jan08 very slow and time consuming. You seem to need to be very computer literate and have a lot of spare time. But the Sonos alternative is a lot more expensive. One of my frustrations is the bias

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread MuckleEck
haunyack;268939 Wrote: Thanks Phil. It's usually where I end up when the medication wears off. . I knew I was doing something wrongmedication -- MuckleEck Alasdair 3 SB3s - Linn - Acoustat - AudioEngine 2 - Cambridge Audio 640R - Mordaunt Short

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread haunyack
Phil Leigh;268934 Wrote: Can we leave the Audiophile forum out of this - it is a special case for people like me who really should be in therapy... Thanks Phil. It's usually where I end up when the medication wears off. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature C.G.

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread bpa
WMA lossless is not supported natively by SB3 - it is transcoded by the Slimserver. This happens transparently in a Windows based server but on Linux or OSX you will have to install 3rd party application. See

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread m1abrams
Shredder;268915 Wrote: I do, however, agree that people are too defensive about criticism, especially the LT employees, including Sean himself. At first, I liked that the employees got involved in posting. Now, I tire of the employees getting in flame wars with people. This is a very

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread Phil Leigh
m1abrams;268932 Wrote: The OP started this thread off extremely poorly. I am a geek but not related to SlimDevices. Many posts lately by non-geeks have been very poorly written and close to trolling. The majority users of this forum by far are very level headed and handle criticism very

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread m1abrams
Oh response to the Wifi range of 100m. As others stated no one has seen that stated by Slimdevices. Also 30m range for wifi indoors is about what one would expect. To get 100m you need good conditions and line of sight for the most part. Your laptop will get better range because it requires

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread seanadams
Dekker22;268815 Wrote: The range for reception states 100 meters. This is stretching the truth quite a bit. The limit of mine (and I mean line of sight) is no more than 30 meters. Where do you see that? _Ethernet_ is good to 100 meters. Wireless - who knows. It all depends on your access

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread kdf
On 13-Feb-08, at 8:38 AM, ds2021 wrote: autopilot;268824 Wrote: Followed by... What up with all the trolling and flamebaiting on the forums recently? There may be a lesson about the mass market here. I knew someone would eventually get there. -kdf

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread ds2021
autopilot;268824 Wrote: Followed by... What up with all the trolling and flamebaiting on the forums recently? There may be a lesson about the mass market here. -- ds2021 ds2021's Profile:

Re: [slim] Some observations from a non-geek

2008-02-13 Thread CatBus
Dekker22;268842 Wrote: Let's be honest it's reception is piss poor. I can tell you definitively that MY SB3's reception is very good at the distances you're talking about. So logically, you must conclude: 1) One of us is lying 2) Something's different about one of our SB3s 3) Something's