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MrSinatra;429608 Wrote:
> call it whatever you want...
>
> the point isn't these antedotes,
Maybe anecdote? Unless you're suggesting the conversation is getting
toxic.
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call it whatever you want...
the point isn't these antedotes, its that SC is not suitable for mass
market, like say tivo is. if something could provide more mainstream
apps to power the hardware, that would help move product imo.
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MrSinatra;429318 Wrote:
> however, try an experiment... lend a SB to someone who isn't "into"
> computers, but uses them for email and www. don't help them at all, and
> see how far they get, how long it takes, and/or gauge their reactions.
Lend a setup to someone that isn't interested and it w
Goodsounds;429010 Wrote:
> Roger that, Shirley.
>
> I think of it broadly rather than narrowly. There are also waay too
> many of the type who want to tell you how they spent the prior weekend
> setting up a sensor in the bedroom to turn on the coffee maker in the
> kitchen. Boring is boring.
the proposed plugin to winamp would be transparent to the user, just to
power the hardware, at least at first.
as to voting for that bug, i am the ONLY person to have voted for it,
which i did some time ago. :)
as to flexible, i mean in how it presents information to you. consider
that it only
MrSinatra;429349 Wrote:
>
> ...but thats fine. imo, the webui sucks. its slow, it isn't
> intuitive, and it isn't flexible.
Slow - give you that, it can be. but then i rarely use it to browse
music. Worse on a poor/cheap NAS.
Isn't intuitive - I agree it not for many it's not, trying to expl
MrSinatra;429318 Wrote:
>
> winamp however, is something he does understand, and if a plugin could
> power the SBR, he'd be much happier, and i think find it all more
> appealing. true, winamp+plugin wouldn't do everything SC does, but he
> would never use most of that stuff anyway.
Although i
seems like a big turnaround from this post...
Goodsounds;428503 Wrote:
> Interesting thoughts, Mr Sinatra.
>
> In thinking about it, perhaps the SB family is not a mass market thing.
> Look at how many people are happy with ipod docking stations with amps
> and speakers, whatever those are call
MrSinatra;429318 Wrote:
> i didn't think you were implying sean/dean were rapaciously greedy, i
> was just talking in general.
>
> however, try an experiment... lend a SB to someone who isn't "into"
> computers, but uses them for email and www. don't help them at all, and
> see how far they ge
i didn't think you were implying sean/dean were rapaciously greedy, i
was just talking in general.
however, try an experiment... lend a SB to someone who isn't "into"
computers, but uses them for email and www. don't help them at all, and
see how far they get, how long it takes, and/or gauge th
I think you are reading too much into what I was saying, the reliablity
issues people post are usually down to inherent networking issues.
I was just speaking generally, and I obviously have not put my point
across very well. I don’t think Sean has ever come across as a
greedy businessman (clear
"greed, for lack of a better word, is good."
when you listen to that speech in the movie, frankly, it rings true.
greed isn't a prblem, its what motivates sean and dean to start a
company and sell it and make money and i say good for them!
but in any good legal/business model greed is tempered
Goodsounds;429123 Wrote:
> Greed and success are not synonyms. I'm not sure what the word "greed"
> means or implies in the context of a publicly traded company (like
> Logitech) for which all stakeholders (including employees) have
> expectations of success (ie, profit) and therefore continued e
Hello mate. Sure, but if you read what i said again, i said 'greed
alone'. Simply chasing the buck, with looking at the bigger picture. And
their is a big difference between greed and a healthy hunger for success
and profit. And you dont need to sell out for that. Anyway, im not
implying anythings
Greed and success are not synonyms. I'm not sure what the word "greed"
means or implies in the context of a publicly traded company (like
Logitech) for which all stakeholders (including employees) have
expectations of success (ie, profit) and therefore continued existence.
Companies that lose mone
I think there is a danger of confusing reliability and usability. Most
of the problems people complain about are reliability related, dumbing
down and making stuff super noob friendly does not guaranty reliability.
I agree, many aspects need to become easier to use, but removing
functionality wont
MrSinatra;428487 Wrote:
> ...IF slim wants to reach a more mass audience, i think they need to
> look at other paradigms...consider that "the masses" want simple and
> familiar. well, itunes is that, and winamp is basically that, just not
> as much so...your average user just wants to power the
On 6/3/2009 2:05 PM, autopilot wrote:
> I think it's also partly down to the fact that there is a whole
> universe of traditional hifi audiophile "experts" out there that are
> terrified of digital audio, and based on 1,038,814 different false
> assumptions and bad snake oil science, spend a signi
snarlydwarf;429015 Wrote:
>
> As for the whole 'mass-market' thing... that is a very hard problem:
> Apple obviously owns the whole iPod/iTunes world.. yet I don't think
> Airports really sell all that well, especially not for music.
> Convincing "normal" people that a network music player of a
Goodsounds;429010 Wrote:
> Roger that, Shirley.
>
> I think of it broadly rather than narrowly. There are also waay too
> many of the type who want to tell you how they spent the prior weekend
> setting up a sensor in the bedroom to turn on the coffee maker in the
> kitchen. Boring is boring.
I need a sensor like that!
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Goodsounds <
goodsounds.3t7qm01244046...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> Roger that, Shirley.
>
> I think of it broadly rather than narrowly. There are also waay too
> many of the type who want to tell you how they spent the pri
Roger that, Shirley.
I think of it broadly rather than narrowly. There are also waay too
many of the type who want to tell you how they spent the prior weekend
setting up a sensor in the bedroom to turn on the coffee maker in the
kitchen. Boring is boring.
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funkstar;428838 Wrote:
> I agree on most of this, though the geeky part isn't always a bad thing,
> geeky is becoming a bit cool you know :)
Nah, geeky is geeky. Even not cool here in Silicon Valley. They're
needed, but when you move, you hope your neighborhood is not full of
introverted enginee
autopilot;428852 Wrote:
>
> I think the perceived complexity and geekyness of
> Squeezebox's/Squeezecenter, other than networking issues, often comes
> from people being overwhelmed by all the various settings and options. I
> have long thought that SC could possibly benefit from hiding many
> s
autopilot;428852 Wrote:
> I think the perceived complexity and geekyness of
> Squeezebox's/Squeezecenter, other than networking issues, often comes
> from people being overwhelmed by all the various settings and options. I
> have long thought that SC could possibly benefit from hiding many
> sett
funkstar;428838 Wrote:
> I agree on most of this, though the geeky part isn't always a bad thing,
> geeky is becoming a bit cool you know :)
>
> I also agree that the completely non techy version of a SB is an ipod
> in a dock. loads of people do this and it works for them. but lets not
> forget
Goodsounds;428503 Wrote:
> For them, the products need to be easier to use, better explained, less
> troublesome, and less geeky (it's a turnoff). Simple task ahead for the
> marketing people to figure out how to do that.
I agree on most of this, though the geeky part isn't always a bad
thing, ge
Interesting thoughts, Mr Sinatra.
In thinking about it, perhaps the SB family is not a mass market thing.
Look at how many people are happy with ipod docking stations with amps
and speakers, whatever those are called. THAT'S a mass market type of
product.
The audiophiles I know (who have spent b
i think my one response here basically will address everyone who
commented since me, and that is to say that IF slim wants to reach a
more mass audience, i think they need to look at other paradigms.
its somewhat obvious and goes without saying that the reason some or
most of the things i suggest
m1abrams;428409 Wrote:
> Not really sure what your question "how about OS drivers that can handle
> the TCP/IP bit?" means? TCP/IP is already handled by every modern OS.
I assume that Mr Sinatra was refering to driver that let Squeeze
players act as wirless sound cards.
Again this is just becau
m1abrams;428409 Wrote:
> Well going down the video route while it seems like a great natural
> progression, in practice it seems to water down and degrade the product.
> Too many apps try to be the end all be all and end up doing nothing
> well. You say SqueezeCenter is too complex now, add vide
Well going down the video route while it seems like a great natural
progression, in practice it seems to water down and degrade the product.
Too many apps try to be the end all be all and end up doing nothing
well. You say SqueezeCenter is too complex now, add video to that mix
and you make it 10
> why can't winamp power the hardware via a plugin?
Ah, that's an easy one to answer: because nobody has written that plugin.
The same applies to the iTunes question.
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interesting discussion.
my view hasn't changed from when i first got my SB.
essentially, i love the hardware and the audio quality, and i think the
SBC concept, or pippins apps, are great as well.
but the software, despite its many strengths and bells and whistles, is
just fatally flawed. it i
pippin;427381 Wrote:
> Yes, but at the same time this concept is the biggest asset of the
> architecture.
> Only because of this concept is it so easy to have 3rd party
> contributions and all the flexibility the system has.
>
> My example was that Internet services and the phone service work in
m1abrams;427378 Wrote:
> Not sure how the twitter example works with people understanding
> client/server models. People that use twitter are not running a twitter
> server they just are using it. What I have seen is many non-techies
> just do not understand the relationship between the Squeeze
pippin;426853 Wrote:
> Don't agree. People can understand client/server models, hey, they even
> use mobile phones and twitter.
>
>
Not sure how the twitter example works with people understanding
client/server models. People that use twitter are not running a twitter
server they just are usi
I agree with a lot of the things that are being said here. I own a
Harmony remote, a couple of Logitech Mice, UE Super.fi IEMs and, of
course, a Squeezebox. Most of these, except for the Mice, were made by
companies that Logitech eventually acquired. As Erland mentioned, so
far, Logitech has not
pablolie;426915 Wrote:
>
> without market share numbers it is hard to tell whether the current
> product portfolio needs any updating or changing.
>
If they like to move into the mass market route they need to change
because all the products are way too geeky and technical today to fit in
this
Andy8421;426913 Wrote:
> I can't imagaine we will see a transporter #2, the market for £1000
> streaming network players is very small. .
as you say, establishing brand is important in this emerging market.
the engineering excellence of a product like the Transporter trickles
down into customer
I can't imagaine we will see a transporter #2, the market for £1000
streaming network players is very small. While Meridian, Naim and others
can charge premium prices for streamers, it doesn't seem to fit the
Logitech biz model, and I am not sure the Logitech brand name would
support that level of
As far as I know, the last product where most of the design was done by
Sean was the Transporter. I wonder if there will ever be a successor to
that...
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m1abrams;426823 Wrote:
> While I agree with your reasoning, I am afraid in order to get out of
> the "techie" corner would be to abandon the central server aspect of the
> Squeezebox. And as I am sure you know the central server aspect allows
> you to do some neat tricks that can not be done wit
Does Logitech's streaming media business unit make a positive IFO
contribution? Are year-on-year sales volumes increasing? Is there a
killer product in the development pipe-line?
These are more likely to determine the future of the SD eco-system,
than the entirely predictable departure of the f
m1abrams;426823 Wrote:
> ... I can not see how you can eliminate that source of confusion without
> eliminating the server.
Give them a unit with a SC server included. Let them attache their USB
drives and many are happy. I see how often people in the German forum do
ask to use their music files
pippin;426780 Wrote:
> I pledge to disagree on this.
> I believe that upcoming SD products need MORE not less mass market
> appeal. For two reasons:
>
> 1. They need to come out of the "techie" corner. The whole architecture
> needs a better integration UI wise or it will never be possible to se
Goodsounds wrote:
> pfarrell;426794 Wrote:
>> spread the engineering cost (NRE in the buzz). If they could have
> This explanation is a bit mangled. R+D NRE
The difference between NRE and R&D is more of an accounting terminology
ontology/theology argument. Which term you want to use is cul
pfarrell;426794 Wrote:
>
>
> MB cars have a ton of advanced engineering, and they needed volume
> to
> spread the engineering cost (NRE in the buzz). If they could have
> pushed
> down their technology, such as yaw control, into the Chrysler cars,
> the
> cost would become a trivial cost of
pfarrell;426794 Wrote:
>
> This is one of the key reasons that Dalmer-Benz bought Chrysler. Other
> than the obvious easy access to Trucks/SUV and the Jeep line.
>
> MB cars have a ton of advanced engineering, and they needed volume to
> spread the engineering cost (NRE in the buzz). If they co
pippin wrote:
> 2. If you don't get out of the techie corner and create volume, I'm
> afraid this will be pushed out of the market, after all this is too much
> of a "systems" business to work in the niche alone
This is one of the key reasons that Dalmer-Benz bought Chrysler. Other
than the obviou
erland;426773 Wrote:
> There is a risk the mass market route is actually better economically
> for Logitech but it will probably lead to very different products
> compared to what we have seen so far, products where price is more
> important than sound quality.
>
I pledge to disagree on this.
I
cliveb;426667 Wrote:
>
> I may be wrong, but I always got the impression that Sean was the one
> guy with a comprehensive understanding of the hardware design. And I
> also got the impression that he was the person who best knew some areas
> of the firmware.
>
I'm not that worried regarding har
cliveb wrote:
> I may be wrong, but I always got the impression that Sean was the one
> guy with a comprehensive understanding of the hardware design. And I
> also got the impression that he was the person who best knew some areas
> of the firmware.
You are correct back in the early days. I never
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Now that Sean has decided to move on (and I wish him every success), the
question springs to mind: has anyone been groomed to take his place on
the engineering side?
I may be wrong, but I always got the impression that Sean was the one
guy with a comprehensive understanding of the hardware design
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