On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed,
2010/3/29 anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com:
[..]
It is really hard to follow. You should at least change subjects when
switching topic.
I was talking about the work going on and the decisions taken lately.
I never change topics of threads mails when there's less than 100 mails,
because I
So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7
and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as
before:
search - download - unzip - cmd - cd - python
setup.py install
Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct
user how to
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Sridhar Ratnakumar
sridh...@activestate.com wrote:
[..]
+1
I presume sdist too, if generated with 'python setup.py sdist', will contain
this .dist-info directory?
I don't think so, because part of the files are generated at installation time.
Do you have
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:30 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7
and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as
before:
search - download - unzip - cmd - cd - python
setup.py install
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 09:30, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct
user how to download and install an actual package management tool
when users tries to use it. So far I know only one stable tool -
`easy_install` - a
Hello,
I'd like to make the RECORD file dead simple for PEP 376, and remove
all the relocatable work we've started in it, since it'll go in a
second
file. This would be done in a second phase, with the work done at Pycon.
So what I am proposing to keep in the PEP is this:
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct
user how to download and install an actual package management tool
when users tries to use it. So far I know only one stable tool -
`easy_install` - a
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:02 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
[..]
distutils is not a `package management` tool, because it doesn't know
anything even about installed packages, not saying anything about
dependencies.
At this point, no one knows anything about installed
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
[..]
Depending on how you call a Python user, I disagree here. Many people
use pip and distribute.
s/how/who :)
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2010/3/29 Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 09:30, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct
user how to download and install an actual package management tool
when users tries to use it. So far I
2010/3/29 anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com:
2010/3/29 Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 09:30, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct
user how to download and install an actual package
On 29 March 2010 10:38, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
I still think you should remove python-dev from the cc list ;)
I don't know what happened with the change of subject and
crossposting, but I'm now seeing 2 copies of every mail, and both
copies are appearing in both python-dev and
anatoly techtonik wrote:
So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7
and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as
before:
Until the discussed package management tools support a robust inventory
and uninstallation system that plays well with
2010/3/29 anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:19 PM,
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
[..]
distutils is not a `package management` tool, because it doesn't know
anything even about installed packages, not saying anything about
dependencies.
At this point, no one knows anything about installed packages
anatoly techtonik wrote:
So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7
and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as
before:
search - download - unzip - cmd - cd - python
setup.py install
Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:02, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
distutils is not a `package management` tool, because it doesn't know
anything even about installed packages
With that definition, there are no packaga management tools for
Python. So it's going to be pretty hard to
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:45 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
[..]
distutils is not a `package management` tool, because it doesn't know
anything even about installed packages, not saying anything about
2010/3/29 anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com:
Ok. How about shipping bootstrap script only for `easy_install` tool for now?
Since there are many who are of the opinion that easy_install isn't
very good, and pip should be used instead, that would be a bad idea.
Just drop it. 2.7 will not
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
I still think you should remove python-dev from the cc list ;)
I don't know what happened with the change of subject and
crossposting, but I'm now seeing 2 copies of every mail, and both
copies are appearing in both
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:45 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
[..]
http://guide.python-distribute.org
I can see any FAQ. To me the FAQ is something that could be posted to
distutils ML once a month to reflect current state of packaging. It
should also carry version number. So
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 16:21, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
Just a thought about user story my customers would likely write if I
shipped Python as a product:
As a user, I think Python is suxx, because it makes its users suffer
for a long time from packaging disorder.
So fix
2010/3/29 Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com:
anatoly techtonik wrote:
So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7
and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as
before:
Until the discussed package management tools support a robust inventory
and
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
[..]
http://guide.python-distribute.org
I can see any FAQ. To me the FAQ is something that could be posted to
distutils ML once a month to reflect current state of packaging. It
should also carry version number. So
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:41 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
[..]
http://guide.python-distribute.org
I can see any FAQ. To me the FAQ is something that could be posted to
distutils ML once a month to
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Sridhar Ratnakumar
sridh...@activestate.com wrote:
On 2010-03-29, at 12:32 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Sridhar Ratnakumar
sridh...@activestate.com wrote:
[..]
+1
I presume sdist too, if generated with 'python setup.py sdist',
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Tarek Ziadé wrote:
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Sridhar Ratnakumar
sridh...@activestate.com wrote:
On 2010-03-29, at 12:32 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Sridhar Ratnakumar
sridh...@activestate.com wrote:
[..]
+1
Tarek Ziadé wrote:
For me a FAQ is a list of questions. We add a new question everytime someone
ask it and it doesn't exists.
The point is that the FA in FAQ stand for *frequently
asked*.
One can debate how frequent is necessary to be placed in
this category, but a question that has only
anatoly techtonik wrote:
Let's refer to original user story:
...
I execute `easy_install something` as said in installation manual,
but nothing/error happens.
Which installation manual did the user see that in? It can't
be anything that came with Python, because easy_install is
not a standard
On 30 March 2010 01:00, Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Tarek Ziadé wrote:
For me a FAQ is a list of questions. We add a new question everytime
someone
ask it and it doesn't exists.
The point is that the FA in FAQ stand for *frequently
asked*.
One can debate how frequent
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