Re: Discussion of written English style

2019-05-30 Thread Myrle Krantz
I do think our focus, with respect to simplifying our language, needs to be on websites and documentation rather than on mailing list communications. I’ve been in Germany for nearly 20 years. As such I’ve developed a lot of habits for speaking with non-Native speakers of English. And I still slip

Re: Discussion of written English style

2019-05-30 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, It interesting to note the Apache Way page [1] is close to very difficult to read, but it better than the release policy page [2] which is only difficult :-) This for example: Responsible Oversight: The ASF governance model is based on trust and delegated oversight. Rather than detailed ru

Re: GSuite Team Drive

2019-05-30 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Great. Team Drives have their detriments and their are pros and cons.  But I find it amazing for shared, collaborative spreadsheets and we end up doing those a lot.  We can also use things like Google Forms with sheets as the storage format and similar tools that G Suite will provide.  It also giv

Re: GSuite Team Drive

2019-05-30 Thread Kenneth Knowles
Oh, I meant to indicate this: k...@apache.org is indeed a Google account. It works great. I do not have it tied to email, but use ASF infrastructure for that. Kenn On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 12:43 PM Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > Ken and Austin, I've added both of you. If you have issues, let me > kn

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-05-30 Thread Kenneth Knowles
It is a real shame about the blocking of these services in China. That is a strong reason to me to choose something else ASAP. I have to say that I also just don't really like team drives from a tech perspective. They are more limited than GDocs without any team drive. All that said, I would pref

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-05-30 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, I also don’t see the need for the google drive and would prefer that we use something more in the open and visible like the wiki (confluence). The permissions in that can be tightly controlled if that is the issue. Having something that only a few people can access is probably not going to

Re: Discussion of written English style

2019-05-30 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, A couple of observations. For context, my recent training qualification had a whole unit on this, and I need to deal with it at one of my day jobs. I'm not, however, an LLN (Language literacy and numeracy) expert. - The initial email to Jim that started this was easy to read (it's at the 8

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-05-30 Thread Luciano Resende
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 13:35 Niall Pemberton wrote: > On Thu, 30 May 2019 at 16:59, Luciano Resende > wrote: > > > I believe diversity is all about community inclusion, particularly > > minorities. > > > > How are we excluding community members by using a private team drive, > > that, in order

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-05-30 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Thu, 30 May 2019 at 16:59, Luciano Resende wrote: > I believe diversity is all about community inclusion, particularly > minorities. > > How are we excluding community members by using a private team drive, > that, in order to participate there is a need to request inclusion to > it (I believe

Re: GSuite Team Drive

2019-05-30 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Ken and Austin, I've added both of you.  If you have issues, let me know.  You *can* tie the Apache.org login to a gmail account and it should work but I've never tested it. On 5/30/2019 3:39 PM, Kenneth Knowles wrote: > I have a G account for k...@apache.org if you would please add it. > > Kenn >

Re: Discussion of written English style

2019-05-30 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 5/30/2019 2:29 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > re: Google Translate trick - This raises the question of what is a > good sequence of languages for this test. Great point. I've emailed Sarah and asked her.  I've heard her mention some guidance on languages and rather than my playing operator, I'll

Re: GSuite Team Drive

2019-05-30 Thread Kenneth Knowles
I have a G account for k...@apache.org if you would please add it. Kenn On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 4:00 AM Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > I can create you an account under @gsuite.cloud.apache.org or use your > personal. Just let me know which you prefer. > > On the topic, Daniel Ruggeri has a proof o

Re: Discussion of written English style

2019-05-30 Thread Patricia Shanahan
On 5/30/2019 11:17 AM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 11:09 AM Patricia Shanahan wrote: Interesting. I just tried this on some of my own writing in the draft FAQ. Translating English->Italian->Japanese->Basque->English transformed: "Style and writing etiquette, such as ho

Re: Discussion of written English style

2019-05-30 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 11:09 AM Patricia Shanahan wrote: > Interesting. I just tried this on some of my own writing in the draft > FAQ. Translating English->Italian->Japanese->Basque->English transformed: > > "Style and writing etiquette, such as how directly or indirectly one > indicates that a

Re: Discussion of written English style

2019-05-30 Thread Patricia Shanahan
Interesting. I just tried this on some of my own writing in the draft FAQ. Translating English->Italian->Japanese->Basque->English transformed: "Style and writing etiquette, such as how directly or indirectly one indicates that another writer has made a mistake, also varies by subculture and b

Re: Discussion of written English style

2019-05-30 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 30/05/2019 11.28, Patricia Shanahan wrote: There has been a discussion on board@, subject "[Sidebar] [D&I] Example of exclusion from debate", about writing English in a style that will be accessible to as many ASF participants as possible. Tools for evaluating writing have been mentioned.

Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-05-30 Thread Luciano Resende
I believe diversity is all about community inclusion, particularly minorities. How are we excluding community members by using a private team drive, that, in order to participate there is a need to request inclusion to it (I believe it to certain extent excludes even current apache community membe

Re: Discussion of written English style

2019-05-30 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 5/30/2019 11:28 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > There has been a discussion on board@, subject "[Sidebar] [D&I] > Example of exclusion from debate", about writing English in a style > that will be accessible to as many ASF participants as possible. > > Tools for evaluating writing have been menti

Discussion of written English style

2019-05-30 Thread Patricia Shanahan
There has been a discussion on board@, subject "[Sidebar] [D&I] Example of exclusion from debate", about writing English in a style that will be accessible to as many ASF participants as possible. Tools for evaluating writing have been mentioned. LIX index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lix_(r

Fwd: [revealed] nonprofit compensation info

2019-05-30 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Thought it might be good gender data. We have some paid people and vendors at the ASF. We should survey them for diversity numbers. Be very interested to see how we compare. Any thoughts? -- Forwarded message - From: Jesse Breaux Date: Thu, May 30, 2019, 08:49 Subject: [reveal

Re: GSuite Team Drive

2019-05-30 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
I can create you an account under @gsuite.cloud.apache.org or use your personal. Just let me know which you prefer. On the topic, Daniel Ruggeri has a proof of concept to tie g suite into our ldap but it hasn't had much movement since last Fall to my knowledge. When that is done, we also have o36