Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Gavin McDonald
I think some people need to take a new look at the user documentation for Confluence, it has loads of collaborative editing features - multiple people editing the same page/document at the same time, inline comments and a heap more besides. https://confluence.atlassian.com/doc/collaborative-editin

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Naomi S
PLEASE NOTE: this thread should be moved to d...@diversity.apache.org. please subscribe to that list, and if you are sending a reply, please remove diversity@apache.org from the address field On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 17:44, Naomi S wrote: > snap :) > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/a2bfc1c

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Naomi S
snap :) https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/a2bfc1c97d5460352c13fd80eac359b7262d76a2cf4f68e48fde30b9@%3Cdev.diversity.apache.org%3E On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 17:34, Luciano Resende wrote: > How about opening a github issue for the documents that are being prepared > and a link to the google doc on

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Luciano Resende
How about opening a github issue for the documents that are being prepared and a link to the google doc on its description? This should enable visibility and mailing list notification a central place to see all documents that are in progress... and still enable the usage of external tools such

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Naomi S
please excuse my barely coherent writing. we're having a heatwave in Germany ^^ On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 17:08, Naomi S wrote: > I agree with Myrle > > for anything that boils down to editing prose, Google Docs is my choice of > tool. for all the reasons she listed. and I say this as someone's who

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Naomi S
I agree with Myrle for anything that boils down to editing prose, Google Docs is my choice of tool. for all the reasons she listed. and I say this as someone's who day job is technical writing/editing PRs, JIRA tickets, etc are good for resolving issues and keeping track of projects. wikis are go

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
> > whoever does the work decides which tool to use. Huge +1 on this. I would like to see someone do a spreadsheet in confluence and work on it to come up with a budget. Sam's work with custom scripts to do a FY budget is an example for me of how to exclude people because it assumes programmers

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 1:14 PM Patricia Shanahan wrote: > ...The Google Drive idea, even with a public > list of documents, will make things private unless and until someone > decides to make them public... Good point - public by default + discoverable is how we should work. -Bertrand -

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 1:15 PM Myrle Krantz wrote: > ...Very few people (if any at all) can follow email threads which branch and > weave and jump unless they are reading and responding in real time... That's because quoting efficiently, branching threads when required etc. are becoming a lost ar

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Myrle Krantz
Sorry all, I have to disagree. Confluence is fine for public-facing stuff. But for stuff that's still in work, it just doesn't support collaboration or document structure at the level that google docs do. The following (at least) is missing in confluence (and unthinkable in email): * Inline edi

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Patricia Shanahan
On 6/3/2019 3:03 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:45 AM Justin Mclean wrote: ...I also don’t see the need for the google drive and would prefer that we use something more in the open and visible like the wiki (confluence) Big +1 to that as I said in another thread

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:45 AM Justin Mclean wrote: > ...I also don’t see the need for the google drive and would prefer that we > use something more > in the open and visible like the wiki (confluence) Big +1 to that as I said in another thread. -Bertrand

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-05-30 Thread Kenneth Knowles
It is a real shame about the blocking of these services in China. That is a strong reason to me to choose something else ASAP. I have to say that I also just don't really like team drives from a tech perspective. They are more limited than GDocs without any team drive. All that said, I would pref

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-05-30 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, I also don’t see the need for the google drive and would prefer that we use something more in the open and visible like the wiki (confluence). The permissions in that can be tightly controlled if that is the issue. Having something that only a few people can access is probably not going to

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-05-30 Thread Luciano Resende
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 13:35 Niall Pemberton wrote: > On Thu, 30 May 2019 at 16:59, Luciano Resende > wrote: > > > I believe diversity is all about community inclusion, particularly > > minorities. > > > > How are we excluding community members by using a private team drive, > > that, in order

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-05-30 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Thu, 30 May 2019 at 16:59, Luciano Resende wrote: > I believe diversity is all about community inclusion, particularly > minorities. > > How are we excluding community members by using a private team drive, > that, in order to participate there is a need to request inclusion to > it (I believe

Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-05-30 Thread Luciano Resende
I believe diversity is all about community inclusion, particularly minorities. How are we excluding community members by using a private team drive, that, in order to participate there is a need to request inclusion to it (I believe it to certain extent excludes even current apache community membe