Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Javier Guerra Giraldez
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Marc Aymerich wrote: > I'm not sure if SSDs can speed up a DB server so much. Now a days the > 'normal' enterprise server has 24GB of memory, so at least that your > database is a huge one, you don't need to constantly query your disks > anymore. the big (BIG) di

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Petite Abeille
On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Maksymus007 wrote: > ... do not like SOAP, and it's DJango problem, not SOAP, The S stands for Simple http://wanderingbarque.com/nonintersecting/2006/11/15/the-s-stands-for-simple/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Djang

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Petite Abeille
On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Marc Aymerich wrote: > I'm not sure if SSDs can speed up a DB server so much. It does. . http://www.fusionio.com/ > Now a days the > 'normal' enterprise server has 24GB of memory, so at least that your > database is a huge one, you don't need to constantly query yo

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Marc Aymerich
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:52 PM, ydjango wrote: > What do you think? > > http://www.cringely.com/2011/10/the-second-coming-of-java/ > > "When SSDs gain enough capacity there will be a shift from the Ruby > world back to the Java world. Not for prototyping, because, well,

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Xavier Ordoquy
Le 13 oct. 2011 à 17:06, Maksymus007 a écrit : > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Javier Guerra Giraldez > wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Maksymus007 wrote: > > must works with some other solutions where choice of using SOAP over REST > > was made years ago. > > often because

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Tom Evans
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Maksymus007 wrote: > > You sound like you never worked for anything that must works with some other > solutions where choice of using SOAP over REST was made years ago. It may sound like that, but my current django project provides a SAML based Identity Provider,

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Maksymus007
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Javier Guerra Giraldez wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Maksymus007 > wrote: > > must works with some other solutions where choice of using SOAP over REST > > was made years ago. > > often because some years ago, REST wasn't a buzzword-compliant > acronym

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Javier Guerra Giraldez
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Maksymus007 wrote: > must works with some other solutions where choice of using SOAP over REST > was made years ago. often because some years ago, REST wasn't a buzzword-compliant acronym. anybody who suggested CRUD-over-HTTP (*) would've been quickly vetoed out

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Bastian Ballmann
Am 13.10.2011 15:05, schrieb Tom Evans: Only people who are brought up on Java EE/.NET believe SOAP is useful/good. The rest of the world (yes, even us Enterprise with a big E) prefer simpler REST interfaces. Full ack! :) -- Bastian Ballmann / Web Developer Notch Interactive GmbH / Badenerstr

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Maksymus007
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Tom Evans wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Maksymus007 > wrote: > > What my and company I work for experience show is that Java should simply > by > > used to solve other problems that Django or RoR solves. > > Developing medium-sized web-app in Django i

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Andre Terra
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Petite Abeille wrote: > (...) > > How To Write Unmaintainable Code. > http://thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html > > Tangentially related: > > Big Ball of Mud > http://www.laputan.org/mud/ > > I had read Big Ball of Mud before, but "How to Write Unmaintainable Code"

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Donald Stufft
+1 for what Tom said. Django is perfectly capable at working at every level of the web. While it's true that once you start scaling at super high loads that you start having to do some lower level stuff to cope, the same is true of any application framework really. If your shop prefers Java th

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Tom Evans
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Maksymus007 wrote: > What my and company I work for experience show is that Java should simply by > used to solve other problems that Django or RoR solves. > Developing medium-sized web-app in Django is for us big pain in the neck, > especially when compared to dev

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Maksymus007
2011 at 10:52 PM, ydjango wrote: > What do you think? > > http://www.cringely.com/2011/10/the-second-coming-of-java/ > > "When SSDs gain enough capacity there will be a shift from the Ruby > world back to the Java world. Not for prototyping, because, well, it’s > prot

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread kenneth gonsalves
On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 12:04 +0200, Petite Abeille wrote: > > On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Bastian Ballmann wrote: > > > Why should I code the same functionality in 2 years if I can have it > in > > 2 months in a simpler and more readable code? > > Job security? btw, only the dead can come aga

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Petite Abeille
On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Bastian Ballmann wrote: > Why should I code the same functionality in 2 years if I can have it in > 2 months in a simpler and more readable code? Job security? How To Write Unmaintainable Code. http://thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html Tangentially related: Big B

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
l thinking of a java enthusiast" - but I could be wrong?? Cal On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:41 AM, Russell Keith-Magee < russ...@keith-magee.com> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:52 AM, ydjango wrote: > > What do you think? > > > > http://www.cringely.com/2011/1

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-13 Thread Bastian Ballmann
years if I can have it in 2 months in a simpler and more readable code? Greets Basti Am Mittwoch, den 12.10.2011, 13:52 -0700 schrieb ydjango: > What do you think? > > http://www.cringely.com/2011/10/the-second-coming-of-java/ > > "When SSDs gain enough capacity there will

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-12 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:52 AM, ydjango wrote: > What do you think? > > http://www.cringely.com/2011/10/the-second-coming-of-java/ > > "When SSDs gain enough capacity there will be a shift from the Ruby > world back to the Java world. Not for prototyping, because, well,

Re: Second coming of Java?

2011-10-12 Thread Donald Stufft
ednesday, October 12, 2011 at 4:52 PM, ydjango wrote: > What do you think? > > http://www.cringely.com/2011/10/the-second-coming-of-java/ > > "When SSDs gain enough capacity there will be a shift from the Ruby > world back to the Java world. Not for prototyping, because, w

Second coming of Java?

2011-10-12 Thread ydjango
What do you think? http://www.cringely.com/2011/10/the-second-coming-of-java/ "When SSDs gain enough capacity there will be a shift from the Ruby world back to the Java world. Not for prototyping, because, well, it’s prototyping. But simply because the statement “Ruby is incredibly slow