Re: [dmarc-ietf] Bridging the gap

2022-06-18 Thread John Levine
It appears that Scott Kitterman said: >I had been thinking M3AAWG would be a good venue. fTLD (who runs .bank and . >insurance) recently gave a presentation about PSD DMARC at an ICANN tech >day. I think there are multiple avenues of approach that we can use without >having to invoke the

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Bridging the gap

2022-06-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On June 18, 2022 10:35:11 PM UTC, Dotzero wrote: >On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 11:45 AM Barry Leiba >wrote: > >> I don't know... I would say that if the working group has rough >> consensus to reach out and asks someone(s) to do it, they could then >> say that they're calling on behalf of the

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Bridging the gap

2022-06-18 Thread Dotzero
On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 11:45 AM Barry Leiba wrote: > I don't know... I would say that if the working group has rough > consensus to reach out and asks someone(s) to do it, they could then > say that they're calling on behalf of the working group. No? > > Barry > Personally, if this is

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Are Evaluators motivated to switch to Tree Walk?

2022-06-18 Thread John Levine
It appears that Murray S. Kucherawy said: >The tree walk might be the DBOUND solution, for all we know. Having it in >a separate, generic-as-possible, document might make the technique usable >by other applications as well. We had a few plausible proposals in the DBOUND group, and none of them

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Bridging the gap

2022-06-18 Thread Barry Leiba
I don't know... I would say that if the working group has rough consensus to reach out and asks someone(s) to do it, they could then say that they're calling on behalf of the working group. No? Barry On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 4:28 PM Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 4:26 AM

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Are Evaluators motivated to switch to Tree Walk?

2022-06-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On June 18, 2022 3:09:19 PM UTC, "Murray S. Kucherawy" wrote: >On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 7:49 AM Scott Kitterman >wrote: > >> Given that the mechanism we've defined uses DMARC records to make the >> determination, I don't think it would be useful to separate it into a >> different document.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Are Evaluators motivated to switch to Tree Walk?

2022-06-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 7:49 AM Scott Kitterman wrote: > Given that the mechanism we've defined uses DMARC records to make the > determination, I don't think it would be useful to separate it into a > different document. If we ever get an approach that's not DMARC specific, > then I think it

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Are Evaluators motivated to switch to Tree Walk?

2022-06-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On June 18, 2022 2:35:07 PM UTC, "Murray S. Kucherawy" wrote: >On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 6:48 AM Scott Kitterman >wrote: > >> On Saturday, June 18, 2022 8:42:23 AM EDT Douglas Foster wrote: >> > Let's talk through the selling process for the Tree Walk algorithm. >> ... >> > In sum, why should

[dmarc-ietf] DBOUND

2022-06-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
Some time back there was an attempt to solve the PSL problem in DNS via a Domain Boundaries (DBOUND) working group. It was not successful, unable to develop consensus among several options, and the working group closed having not produced anything. The WG page:

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Are Evaluators motivated to switch to Tree Walk?

2022-06-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 6:48 AM Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Saturday, June 18, 2022 8:42:23 AM EDT Douglas Foster wrote: > > Let's talk through the selling process for the Tree Walk algorithm. > ... > > In sum, why should an Evaluator make the switch? > > I think there are some good points in

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Bridging the gap

2022-06-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 4:26 AM Alessandro Vesely wrote: > Actually sending those messages would sound more credible if done From: > some...@ietf.org. Does such a role exist? > No. We participate here as individuals, so whoever does this will be doing it as herself or himself. You probably

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Are Evaluators motivated to switch to Tree Walk?

2022-06-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 8:42:23 AM EDT Douglas Foster wrote: > Let's talk through the selling process for the Tree Walk algorithm. ... > In sum, why should an Evaluator make the switch? I think there are some good points in here. Fundamentally, I agree that there needs to be a value

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Bridging the gap

2022-06-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 7:25:28 AM EDT Alessandro Vesely wrote: > On Sat 18/Jun/2022 02:40:49 +0200 Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Thursday, June 16, 2022 11:57:08 AM EDT Alessandro Vesely wrote: > >> On Wed 15/Jun/2022 19:47:42 +0200 John Levine wrote: > >>> It appears that Alessandro Vesely

[dmarc-ietf] Are Evaluators motivated to switch to Tree Walk?

2022-06-18 Thread Douglas Foster
Let's talk through the selling process for the Tree Walk algorithm. Who are our Stakeholders? There are three main stakeholder groups for DMARC: Senders, Intermediaries, and Evaluators.Senders and Intermediaries just want to ensure their messages get delivered. Evaluators have the

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Bridging the gap

2022-06-18 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Sat 18/Jun/2022 02:40:49 +0200 Scott Kitterman wrote: On Thursday, June 16, 2022 11:57:08 AM EDT Alessandro Vesely wrote: On Wed 15/Jun/2022 19:47:42 +0200 John Levine wrote: It appears that Alessandro Vesely said: I think we found the few critical domains which need a flag. We may have