On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 05:13:46PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 15:16:21 -0400
Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net wrote:
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 01:57:58PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:01:14 -0400
Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net, To:dng@lists.dyne.org,
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:54:48PM +0200, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote:
Il 13/ago/2015 10:21 PM, Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net ha scritto:
I guess I'll just try to reinstall. I initially tried to install
testing/ascii, but couldn't complete install software. So I retreated to
jessie, and
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 4:06 PM T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
1. You can't mark a package as Do not install. APT simply does not give
you the option.
Heaven knows, there are a lot of people who dislike things like network-
manager, and do not them to install for any reason.
If anything, shims for systemd should be something that relies on
LD_PRELOAD to provide the wrappers, rather than making them broadly
available - so that it's possible to use it as a workaround, but without
deliberately doing so, the affected packages WILL break.
I fear however that we're going
James Powell james4...@hotmail.com escribió:
[...]
Devuan should follow the Debian methodology, but equally it should
forge it's own path away from Debian. It doesn't need to draw from
any other distribution like Funtoo, CRUX, Slackware, or anything
other distributions, other than seeing
Hi Stephanie! =)
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 13:44:42 +
Stephanie Daugherty sdaughe...@gmail.com wrote:
I fear however that we're going to see packages with deeper and deeper
entanglement with systemd, where it won't be a simple matter to patch
the software to work correctly. Gnome already
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 07:01:11 -0400
Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net wrote:
Rereading your original post: Do you want to not have a Display
Manager such as lightdm, kdm, gdm etc, or do you want your computer
not to have X at all? If the latter, just deinstall X. If the
former, you need to
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 01:59:32PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
As an example, I tried to upgrade one of my Wheezy systems to Jessie with
*systemd* pinned as not installable. It took a bit of messing around figuring
out what the broken dependencies were, and in the end I only had ONE single
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 13:59:32 +0100
Simon Hobson li...@thehobsons.co.uk wrote:
If Devuan developers write 50 simple shims to fulfill those
dependencies, then Devuan users can run those 10,000 apps
as they are, directly from the Debian repos. And when the
apps are updated, they will
On 15/08/15 12:05, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I installed from alpha2, and it mostly worked.
Devuan boots up properly, and runs. I'm currently ssh-ed in to another
machine where I have my email, accessible via mutt.
Thanks for the report. Was it a standard install or expert-mode and was
it Jessie,
Hi all,
I'm uploading a live image of gnuinos in amd64 architecture (and shortly
in i386) without desktop environment, taking Devuan Alpha2 as a base
(~390 MB). Network connection and quick installation. Download zone:
http://mirrors.gnuinos.org/?dir=DEVUAN-BASED%20IMAGES
The web site is not
I tried plugging a external hard drive into my newly installed Devuan
system, and immediately ran into a problem: It seems the volume group
name used on that drive is the same as the one on my devuan system.
Not that surprising; thee external drive contains the Debian system I'm
migrating
Slackware is maintained by 3 core people with extra help as needed. The rest of
the packages are pushed by the community at large contributing. Devuan doesn't
have to maintain every package possible. That's ludicrous to think so.
Debian got in over its head by allowing this. Thousands upon
I installed from alpha2, and it mostly worked.
Devuan boots up properly, and runs. I'm currently ssh-ed in to another
machine where I have my email, accessible via mutt.
There were a few glitches:
(1) it still offered to install the system on my installer USB stick.
I wasn't stupid enough to
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:49:17 -0700
Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Fri, 8/14/15, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Friday, August 14, 2015, 2:47 PM
I know not everyone here agrees with me, especially Steve,
Rainer Weikusat rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com wrote:
ClamAV claims to support FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Solaris, OpenVMS,
Slackware and Windows, all of which certainly don't have systemd. I've
just cloned the current development repository and build it on Wheezy
using a plain
./configure
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 20:03:49 +0200
Teodoro Santoni asbras...@gmail.com wrote:
It's true, that's a waste, although very small, to add an if
structure. Remains a weak argument: not being clamav a Go project, it
has for sure a badly optimized, on the buiding side, codebase, so a
config macro
On Fri, 8/14/15, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Friday, August 14, 2015, 2:47 PM
I know not everyone here agrees with me, especially Steve, and that's
perfectly okay. I have no problem with that at all. I just don't
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 05:19:25PM -0700, James Powell wrote:
Slackware is maintained by 3 core people with extra help as needed. The rest
of the packages are pushed by the community at large contributing. Devuan
doesn't have to maintain every package possible. That's ludicrous to think so.
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 03:21:47PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
On 15/08/15 14:47, Hendrik Boom wrote:
Don't forget to do `update-initramfs -u -k all` and `update-grub` to
rebuild the
Ouch. update-initramfs crapped out:
oot@notlookedfor:~# update-initramfs -u -k all
update-initramfs:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:38:35 -0700
Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote:
To elaborate on this, GCC 5.1 (I think) has changed the ABI for C++11
support.
Packages using C++11 need to be rebuilt with the new library;
libreoffice has already been rebuilt, but not KDE.
That's a very good
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 10:11:46PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 01:22:42PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
On 15/08/15 13:13, Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:41:06PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
On 15/08/15 12:24, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I tried plugging a
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 02:15:35PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
On 15/08/15 14:11, Hendrik Boom wrote:
Easy enough to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
Or do I really have to edit other files that this is made from? I
remember there was some complication there with Debian's grub2.
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 20:26:58 -0400
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
Oh, you wouldn't want to do that. Contrary to what I wrote in another
thread about the perfect is the enemy of the good, if *I* were in
charge of decontamination, I'd throw out whole subsystems.
LOL! =)
One
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:41:06PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
On 15/08/15 12:24, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I tried plugging a external hard drive into my newly installed Devuan
system, and immediately ran into a problem: It seems the volume group
name used on that drive is the same as the one on
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 01:22:42PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
On 15/08/15 13:13, Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:41:06PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
On 15/08/15 12:24, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I tried plugging a external hard drive into my newly installed Devuan
system, and
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 10:21:33PM -0400, fsmithred wrote:
If you just need to transfer the data to the new installation, attach the
external drive to a different machine and rsync it. Boot with live media
if you have the same problem on the other machine.
fsr
I thonk I might have been able
I respectfully disagree.
A single package would require a new build script, but equally it will pay for
itself in the long run by reducing the overall workload to maintain each
package.
The short term, yes its work. It will be. But why not have one single
SDL2-2.0.0-x86_64-1.deb package that
On 15/08/15 14:11, Hendrik Boom wrote:
Easy enough to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
Or do I really have to edit other files that this is made from? I
remember there was some complication there with Debian's grub2.
/etc/default/grub is the file you need to edit followed by running
'update-grub'
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 07:01:11AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
The aim is to boot to a console prompt, log in as root, install xorg and
fluxbox. That gives me X and a window manager but no desktop
environment. At present I get a log in prompt and can log in as user in
console, but for some
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:28:39PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
On 15/08/15 12:05, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I installed from alpha2, and it mostly worked.
Devuan boots up properly, and runs. I'm currently ssh-ed in to another
machine where I have my email, accessible via mutt.
Thanks for the
I would help you mate but my install is a package
to be overlaid using aufs.
I have never used debian so would be a poor choice
in making a package for it.
I don't know how to turn off udev in debian.
I know Jude did some magic with that.
If you try to go at it manually I am willing
to offer
Please, ignore this email. I successfully used the netboot iso to
install Devuan 64 bit.
My sincere thanks go to all those are giving their time for the project.
Thanks to all involved.
On 13/08/2015, Edward Bartolo edb...@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to figure out how I should go to install
Le 14/08/2015 10:16, Noel Torres a écrit :
Everyone that has anytime been trapped in the Dependency Hell knows
about the complicated chains of dependencies in Debian. As a simple
example, today it is impossible to install LibreOffice 5 and KDE
together, since libreoffice 1:5.0.1~rc1-2 ends
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 02:02:22PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
Seems to me there's something weird, both, in libreoffice depending on
just one single version of libstdc++, and in libklabxml being broken by this
version of libstdc++, be it the fault of kde or libstdc++ developpers.
That's the
It seems to me that it's good to have shim programs that satisfy
dependencies of apps on systemd, each shim performing some systemd
function. Here's why:
Suppose there are 10,000 application programs (apps) for Linux,
and their developers foolishly insert dependencies on systemd.
If
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