On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 08:21:03PM -0500, Fungal-net wrote:
>
> Your response is every proof I needed that there is something fishy going on.
> It may be legal to be deceiving people but the question is whether it is
> ethical and whether once you discover a rat are you responsible to make the
Am 2018-02-14 23:51, schrieb Didier Kryn:
The line is there in /etc/slim.conf
And the file exists in several places:
root@apcnb98:/home/kryn# locate desktop-slim-theme
/etc/alternatives/desktop-slim-theme
/usr/share/slim/themes/desktop-slim-theme
/var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/desktop-slim-
Forwarding to the ML because I messed up the recipient.
On February 15, 2018 4:21:03 AM GMT+03:00, Fungal-net
wrote:
>If you are officially representing Devuan and "a long email" described
>why Devuan should not be trusted, I'd say it is your problem the
>inability to read and understand the tec
Forwarding to the ML because I messed up the recipient.
On February 15, 2018 3:43:30 AM GMT+03:00, Fungal-net
wrote:
>Are you saying now, and this is a new take on explaining the
>unexplainable, and please readers feel free to intervene here and point
>out the obvious to me, what is the problem
On 14 February 2018 23:06:34 CET, Andreas Messer wrote:
>On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:27:32PM +0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote:
>> ...on Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:09:17PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote:
>>
>> > Alexander Bochmann wrote on 14.02.2018 21:56:
>> > > System resets before even loading Devuan-bui
Thanks for your accurate answer Patrick
if Fungal keeps pontifying unsubstantiated
claims and denigrating conspiracy theories against
us after your answer, it will be banned
from here too. OTOH to anyone who is
reading and wants to bring to our attention
a problem in beta: you are welcome to
expr
On Wed, 2018-02-14 at 20:07 -0500, Fungal-net wrote:
> Because as per a couple of hours ago it seems as I have been exposed
> to this amprolla3 for 4-5 months now, without knowing, and although I
> run about the same stuff on a test debian isntallations, pkgs there
> rain down to the level of about
Fungal-net,
could you please tone down, and furthermore condense your critique, such
that it can be read and understood?
If you have found a gap in the documentation that causes trouble to
users, please point it out.
Kind regards,
T.
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If you are officially representing Devuan and "a long email" described why
Devuan should not be trusted, I'd say it is your problem the inability to read
and understand the technical content. If you are really unable to understand
the technical content of this "long email" then you are definete
Please don''t let the Grouch break up your valentine party but would anyone
care to elaborate on the following scenario?
We have Joe, Jill, Jack, and Mindy.
Joe is running Wheezy and converts to Ascii
Jill is running Devuan 1 Jessie and converts to ascii
Jack is running Stretch and converts to A
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 07:43:30PM -0500, Fungal-net wrote:
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>
> Obviously the way you are handling the response to me is evidence that there
> is something to the story.
>
> PLEASE do not forget to point us to the reference on when was there a public
> announcement that onion address us
Original Message
On February 15, 2018 1:28 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
>On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 05:24:27PM -0500, Fungal-net wrote:
>>devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever
>>been the same?
>>
>
> They are the same machine and always have been (sin
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 05:24:27PM -0500, Fungal-net wrote:
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>
> PS3 Maybe irrelevant, but could ascii exacerbate some problems as going
> from jessie to ascii packages may have a lower number version in ascii than
> in jessie, which makes the installation different than if it was a str
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 05:24:27PM -0500, Fungal-net wrote:
> devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever
> been the same?
>
They are the same machine and always have been (since late September
or early October 2017, more or less). The rewrites on pkgmaster are t
Le 14/02/2018 à 17:17, J. Fahrner a écrit :
Am 2018-02-14 17:05, schrieb Didier Kryn:
Everything works fine, except slim has lost its beautifull background.
Now its background is just grey.
Yout /etc/slim.conf should have a line
current_theme desktop-slim-theme
And the theme files are in pa
On Wed, 2018-02-14 at 21:20 +0300, Hleb Valoshka wrote:
> On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote:
>
> > Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected.
>
> Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd
> policykit backend was pulled.
What is dragging in elogind? I
devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever
been the same?
The reason I am asking is in the past couple of months I witnessed ups and
downs where there were differences and packages existing on one repository
naming scheme and the other differed, making upgrade
KatolaZ wrote:
>> Why not offer a BittTrrent download ?
>
> Because it's a Beta. The stable will obviously have a torrent.
Perhaps I'm missing something, but why does being a beta preclude offering a
torrent ?
It looks like it would have made a huge difference to distributing the file(s).
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On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:27:32PM +0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote:
> ...on Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:09:17PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote:
>
> > Alexander Bochmann wrote on 14.02.2018 21:56:
> > > System resets before even loading Devuan-built grub.
> > Now that is particularly odd, as grub is not amon
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 06:50:49PM -0300, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
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> >
> > Well, it seems that they are right in saying that love can be
> > "suffocating", at times :D
> >
> > In the meanwhile, the best way to get ASCII beta images as soon as
> > possible is to back off for a few hours
...on Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:27:32PM +0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote:
> Ok, currently reinstalling Debian, and then I'll try again
WTF - installing from the latest Debian live CD (8.10.5-20180118),
the same thing happens... How did this ever work?
Sorry for the false alarm.
Alex.
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:54:35 +
KatolaZ wrote:
> we know that many of us are experiencing enormous ETAs on downloading
> ASCII Beta images from http://files.devuan.org
>
> The reason is that we just didn't expect so many people were waiting
> for ASCII to come out. Here is a snaphot of the MR
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100
Veteran Unix Admins wrote:
> Dear dev1rs
>
> the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
>
> On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a "pre-alpha" Valentine release
> of Devuan Jessie [1] just a few months after the Veteran Unix Admins
> declared their intention to for
...on Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:09:17PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote:
> Alexander Bochmann wrote on 14.02.2018 21:56:
> > System resets before even loading Devuan-built grub.
> Now that is particularly odd, as grub is not among the packages
> that were forked by Devuan but rather is merged from Debian
Alexander Bochmann wrote on 14.02.2018 21:56:
> Ran into this when trying to move an old box with a Via C3 CPU
> from Debian jessie (last release to support i586) to Devuan jessie:
> System resets before even loading Devuan-built grub.
[...]
Now that is particularly odd, as grub is not among th
Hleb Valoshka wrote on 14.02.2018 21:54:
> On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote:
> Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected.
Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd
policykit backend was pulled.
>>> That's a first AFAICT. Noted. Thanks, H
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote on 14.02.2018 21:35:
[...]
> On my system it tried to pull in libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd. The reason
> was aptitude: "twin-trinity" (which is installed) provides
> "x-display-manager" was ignored, instead aptitude resolved by some obscure
> reason that the not install
Ran into this when trying to move an old box with a Via C3 CPU
from Debian jessie (last release to support i586) to Devuan jessie:
System resets before even loading Devuan-built grub.
Don't think there's any use putting work into fixing that, just
mentioning it here before anyone else tries ;)
On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote:
Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected.
>>> Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd
>>> policykit backend was pulled.
>> That's a first AFAICT. Noted. Thanks, Hleb! :)
>> Oh, you wouldn't have by any chance
Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 schrieb Irrwahn:
> Hleb Valoshka wrote on 14.02.2018 19:20:
> > On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote:
> >
> >> Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected.
> >
> > Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd
> > policykit backen
Dear Dev1rs,
we know that many of us are experiencing enormous ETAs on downloading
ASCII Beta images from http://files.devuan.org
The reason is that we just didn't expect so many people were waiting
for ASCII to come out. Here is a snaphot of the MRTG from one of
Devuan's servers in the last 20 h
Irrwahn wrote on 14.02.2018 19:46:
> Hleb Valoshka wrote on 14.02.2018 19:20:
>> On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote:
>>
>>> Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected.
>>
>> Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd
>> policykit backend was pulled.
>
> T
Hleb Valoshka wrote on 14.02.2018 19:20:
> On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote:
>
>> Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected.
>
> Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd
> policykit backend was pulled.
That's a first AFAICT. Noted. Thanks, Hleb! :
On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote:
> Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected.
Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd
policykit backend was pulled.
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Didier Kryn wrote on 14.02.2018 17:05:
> Le 14/02/2018 à 16:21, Irrwahn a écrit :
[...]
>> Just go ahead, have your session management of the day!;-P
>
> Did that, I reinstalled slim and made it the DM in charge.
> Everything works fine, except slim has lost its beautifull background.
> Now
Congrats on the release of ASCII beta today.
In my testing, I am finding that Xfce 4.12 no longer appears capable of
working nicely with my Xorg Zphod heads mode setup. I do have the
separate screens and desktops and panels for each, but when I launch an
Xfce Terminal on Screen 1, it is opened on
Am 2018-02-14 17:05, schrieb Didier Kryn:
Everything works fine, except slim has lost its beautifull background.
Now its background is just grey.
Yout /etc/slim.conf should have a line
current_theme desktop-slim-theme
And the theme files are in package desktop-base.
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Le 14/02/2018 à 16:21, Irrwahn a écrit :
Sure it is possible to have both Consolekit and Elogind, but can
they be both active?
Didier
Yes.
Oh, how I would know, you might ask. Well, for a start, I'm typing this
message on a desktop machine where it's the case.:)
As I wrot
leloft wrote on 14.02.2018 15:46:
[...]
> I do not know anything like enough to do anything more than comment, but
> does the above indicate that the *-backend-systemd is being pulled in
> as a result of an unhelpful dependency chain. And why does the
> installation of libpolkit-backend-1-0-consol
Didier Kryn wrote on 14.02.2018 15:54:
> Le 14/02/2018 à 15:32, Irrwahn a écrit :
>> Removing consolekit isn't mandatory, but yes, in doing so one causes
>> same breakage just as you described.
>
> Sure it is possible to have both Consolekit and Elogind, but can
> they be both active?
>
>
Le 14/02/2018 à 15:32, Irrwahn a écrit :
Removing consolekit isn't mandatory, but yes, in doing so one causes
same breakage just as you described.
Sure it is possible to have both Consolekit and Elogind, but can
they be both active?
Didier
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:37:46 +0100
Irrwahn wrote:
> It would appear that under certain circumstances an unsuitable
> flavor of libpolkit-backend-1-0- gets pulled in upon upgrade.
> This can lead to a temporary loss of desktop session related
> functionality, namely the ability to user-mount
Hi,
great news about Devuan!
Am 14.02.2018 um 10:48 schrieb Veteran Unix Admins:
> **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta is available for amd64 and i386 in the
> following flavours:**
>
> - installable live CD/DVD
> - installation CD/DVD
> - NETINST CDROM
> - installable minimal live
> - qcow/vagrant
Didier Kryn wrote on 14.02.2018 15:06:
> Le 14/02/2018 à 13:37, Irrwahn a écrit :
[...]
>> 1. Make sure you have at least one of (traditional) consolekit or (new)
>> elogind installed. (Note: You can have both installed and active; which
>> one is actually used however is decided by which l
Am 2018-02-14 15:06, schrieb Didier Kryn:
If elogind is to be Devuan's default, then, for consistency,
another DM than slim should be the default, and task-xfce-desktop
should be modified acordingly.
There is no default, you can use what you want (consolekit/elogind).
Since lightdm does not
Very nice and well done, the new installer presets leave us spoilt for choice..
openrc and a bunch of desktops to choose from.. great stuff.
chillfan
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Le 14/02/2018 à 13:37, Irrwahn a écrit :
PLEASE NOTE:
The following only applies to already existing ASCII systems that got
upgraded to the newest package versions as present in the repositories.
Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected.
TL;DR
-
Make sure you
Am 2018-02-14 14:29, schrieb Ismael L. Donis Garcia:
> What should I configure so that a normal user can mount the USB memories?
See Irrwahns mail "IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management
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PLEASE NOTE:
The following only applies to already existing ASCII systems that got
upgraded to the newest package versions as present in the repositories.
Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected.
TL;DR
-
Make sure you got the correct libpolkit-backend instal
Am 2018-02-14 11:47, schrieb Didier Kryn:
After the upgrade, the shutdown and reboot buttons in xfce just do
the same as the button to terminate the session. No way to
shutdown/reboot other than loging in as root.
Looks like the same problem I had.
If you have libpolkit-backend-systemd and
Just updated/upgraded my Devuan-ASCII after the announce, using
Synaptic.
Process was dodgy: some policykit packages had to be removed
*before* upgrading task-desktop. Doing all at once would mark packages
as broken.
After the upgrade, the shutdown and reboot buttons in xfce just
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:55:46AM +0100, Stefan Mark wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100
> Veteran Unix Admins wrote:
>
> > **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta at:**
> > http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii
> >
> 404 :)
> I think its https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/
fixed now
HND
Ka
Stefan Mark wrote on 14.02.2018 10:55:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100
> Veteran Unix Admins wrote:
>
>> **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta at:**
>> http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii
>>
> 404 :)
> I think its https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/
Yes. 8^)
And @all:
Please keep in mind t
Happy VUAlentine's Day, Devuan! :)
May you manifold and spread all the love
that dedicated people put into you!
Urban
--
Sapere aude!
Veteran Unix Admins wrote on 14.02.2018 10:48:
>
> Dear dev1rs
>
> the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
>
> On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a "pre-
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100
Veteran Unix Admins wrote:
> **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta at:**
> http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii
>
404 :)
I think its https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/
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Dear dev1rs
the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a "pre-alpha" Valentine release
of Devuan Jessie [1] just a few months after the Veteran Unix Admins
declared their intention to fork Debian on November 27th 2014 [2].
That was the beginning of our collective
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