Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 at 17:15:02 +0100 Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 at 00:54:44 -0400 > "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: [...] >> there isn't anything special about their laptops that justifies the $2K >> price tag Besides, just to futher prove

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 at 00:52:30 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: > In the interest of not starting a big argument again this will by my > last reply on this thread. > > On 11/02/2017 01:14 PM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >>They are fully worth it. > Ce

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 at 00:54:44 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: > On 11/02/2017 09:47 PM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >>Yes, I know, they failed disabling ME and they stopped even trying. > Their website/marketing says that it is "disabled" when it isn

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 at 22:26:02 -0400 zap wrote: > >> Coreboot does load blobs for certain devices, so it shouldn't be any > >> surprise that coreboot supports librem. > > They did not lie about this. > Hmm... Doesn't it seem odd though that they call themselves purism and > haven't fully re

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 at 20:46:58 -0400 zap wrote: > On 11/02/2017 07:35 PM, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 at 15:03:36 -0400 >> zap wrote: >> >>>> Prove it. >>>> >>>> https://puri.sm/posts/purism-librem-laptops-complete

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 at 15:03:36 -0400 zap wrote: > > > Prove it. > > > > https://puri.sm/posts/purism-librem-laptops-completely-disable-intel-management-engine/ > Something tells me you won't accept any other answer except your own, so > I will pass. I take any verifiable fact as proof. Don

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 at 23:30:45 -0400 zap wrote: > >>> You might consider the Purism laptops, one of which has a detachable >>> keyboard.  https://puri.sm/products/ >> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3anjgm/on_the_librem_laptop_purism_doesnt_believe_in/ >> >> They aren't worth it. > Yep m

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
2 and Librem 15v3 come with coreboot pre-installed. For previous versions of Librem hardware follow the https://puri.sm/coreboot/ page to learn about coreboot supported hardware. Alessandro -- Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net

Re: [DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

2017-11-01 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 at 08:57:30 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 08:24:34PM -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote: >> There is always one reason or another for "a start job is running for - >> network interfaces/disks/etc)" which halts the entire boot process >> "faster", even without th

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-01 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 at 15:27:48 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 11:47:51 +0100 > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > >> Steve Litt - 30.10.17, 12:08: >>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:53:45 +0100 >>> >>> Martin Steigerwald wrote: Actually I´d make firmware pretty dumb and implement as

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-01 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 at 12:41:47 +0100 Adam Borowski wrote: [...] > The "secure" world marks certain resources (memory regions, interrupts, > peripherals, etc). Upon an attempt to access a marked resource, there's a > "world switch" that most of us would call an "interrupt" (except that they > d

Re: [DNG] xrandr on Ascii for two displays

2017-10-29 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 at 13:37:00 +0200 Lars Noodén wrote: > On 10/29/2017 01:01 PM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > [snip]> Check the output of xrandr --query for pointers. > > Thanks. I can see that eDP-1 and HDMI-1 are both connected. > > $ xrandr --query | grep -E 

Re: [DNG] xrandr on Ascii for two displays

2017-10-29 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 at 20:14:43 +0300 Lars Noodén wrote: > I have two displays, one built-in to a laptop and another external, and > am not able to get any signal to the external one. The same arrangement > works fine with other distros. I've tried with the display managers for > both XFCE4 and

Re: [DNG] Amprolla3 is out for testing

2017-10-22 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 08:22:57 -0400 fsmithred wrote: > On 10/22/2017 06:51 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 06:33:58 -0400 >> fsmithred wrote: >> >>> On 10/22/2017 05:18 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: >>>> On Fri, 20 Oct 20

Re: [DNG] Amprolla3 is out for testing

2017-10-22 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 06:33:58 -0400 fsmithred wrote: > On 10/22/2017 05:18 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 at 16:47:57 -0500 >> goli...@dyne.org wrote: >>> We are happy to announce that 'amprolla3', the rewrite of nextime's >>&g

Re: [DNG] Amprolla3 is out for testing

2017-10-22 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 at 16:47:57 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > Dear dev1rs, Are these some sort of devs-running-daemon devi1s? :-) > We are happy to announce that 'amprolla3', the rewrite of nextime's > amprolla by parazyd and Wizzup, is finally up and running and ready > to be tested. Al

Re: [DNG] ID Quantique "Quantum" PCI-e RNG's - does anyone have more info?

2017-10-21 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 at 14:23:00 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: > On 10/21/2017 09:14 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_hardware_random_number_generators >> >> says of all ID Quantique SA products: >> >> O

Re: [DNG] ID Quantique "Quantum" PCI-e RNG's - does anyone have more info?

2017-10-21 Thread Alessandro Selli
Il giorno Fri, 20 Oct 2017 22:43:57 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" ha scritto: > I found this seemingly cool product, a pci-e hardware RNG that produces > a large stream of "truly random" "quantum" random numbers. > > https://www.idquantique.com/ > > It is made in Switzerland, which is cool as it isn't

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-21 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 at 11:51:42 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 21/10/2017 à 09:58, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit : >> John Franklin writes: >>> That’s not an apology. Would you like to try again? >> >> I'm not Steve, but the occasion fits: >> >> Tobias, until I read your posting a couple of days a

Re: [DNG] Devuan in top 50

2017-10-17 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 at 08:03:22 -0500 dev wrote: > Just noticed Devuan is at position 48 today (Redhat is 46, Gentoo 42, > for comparison)! > > https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity Great news for a rookie! Alessandro ___ Dng mailin

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-17 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 at 14:08:20 +0100 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Alessandro Selli writes: >> Plus, it's purported security is mostly a mith. It only checks if the >> first-stage bootloader was signed by a known, authorized key, >> everything else >> is as ex

[DNG] i.MX 8 CPU ARM port?

2017-10-17 Thread Alessandro Selli
would be just great to further gain visibility. It surely would be a pity that they did not take an easy choice that would have eased porting Devuan to the Librem 5 just because no one from the Devuan community ever talked to them. -- Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-17 Thread Alessandro Selli
it can use only two keys to verify the bootloader, one from the motherboard manufacturer and the second one from Microsoft. It is for this reason more of a lock-out mechanism than a system-security feature. -- Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net ___

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-11 Thread Alessandro Selli
Il giorno Tue, 10 Oct 2017 22:25:23 -0500 John Morris ha scritto: > On Tue, 2017-10-10 at 01:49 +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >> By the manual, the correct solution in configuring Grub as to pass the >> kernel these parameters: >> >> biosdevname=0 net.i

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-09 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 at 14:45:47 -0500 John Morris wrote: > On Sat, 2017-10-07 at 10:06 -0300, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: >> On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 13:51:02 +0100 >> Simon Hobson wrote: >> >>> The topic was discussed to death not long ago and the consensus seemed >>> to be that "there is no soluti

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 at 12:18:54 -0400 "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" wrote: > On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:33:23 +0100 > KatolaZ wrote: > >> you probably just need to `xhost +` from the "regular" user account >> before su-ing. By default the current display is not accessible by any >> user except the one who

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-22 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 at 19:56:27 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 06:27:59AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 09:41:08PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: >> >> [cut] >> >>> The bottle of wine isn't quite finished yet, but I am not trying to >>> force anyone to stop us

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-22 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 at 20:12:40 +0100 Rowland Penny wrote: > On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 19:43:54 +0100 > Dave Turner wrote: > >> >> Also, 'su' is just wrong, don't use it, always use sudo, and if you >> can find a decent .deb of OpenBSD 'doas' ported to linux use that, it >> is even better! >> > >

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread Alessandro Selli
you just proved Gnome does indeed depend on systemd, not just on the package level, but on the code level. -- Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9 ___ Dng mailing lis

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-19 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 at 16:49:31 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote: > El 19/09/17 a les 16:16, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ha escrit: >> On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:22:14 +0200 >> Narcis Garcia wrote: >> >>> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd. >>> But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desk

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-16 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 at 07:49:28 +0200 arne wrote: > Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan. Maybe sooner! :-) > I had a fierce struggle with rc.local and systemd. > Took me 24 hours, > lots of coffee and pizza, (to abandon rc.local for most part in the end) What were yo

[DNG] Kernel woes ver. >= 4.11

2017-09-13 Thread Alessandro Selli
Hello there, I recently updated two Devuans to ASCII. I noticed, toying with kernels vers. 4.11, 4.12 and 4.13, that I cannot use the WiFi and that ALSA too doesn't work (both before and after removing pulseaudio). I wonder if someone else has tried that too, and if they experienced the

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-09 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 at 23:55:08 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: > On 09/08/2017 07:18 PM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >> On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 at 00:22:40 -0400 >> "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: >> >>> On 09/07/2017 02:18 PM, Rick Moen wrote

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-08 Thread Alessandro Selli
p feeling you alone are entitled at running posts peddling TALOS' "dual socket performance server/workstation hardware ... designed for the power user market" opening threads that are of no direct relevance to Devuan. I do not mind OT threads, I am able at erasing them wholesale

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-07 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 at 13:41:25 +0200 Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 at 21:17:20 +1000 > Erik Christiansen wrote: > > > The notion of an extra embedded CPU or two on big Intel chips is not > > difficult to credit, but where is the postulated entire min

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-07 Thread Alessandro Selli
ion firewall that you need to set up. What we actually need is Openhardware products ready to supplant current off-the-shelf proprietary chips and controllers. -- Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chi

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-07 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 at 06:29:59 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: > On 09/07/2017 05:01 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > >> Quoting taii...@gmx.com (taii...@gmx.com): >> >> [speaking to Alessandro Selli] >> >>> You are constantly defending them and snubbing yo

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-07 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 at 04:48:43 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: > On 09/07/2017 04:30 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >> On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 at 17:12:27 -0400 >> zap wrote: >> >>> Agreed! Talos is at least *LIBRE!* >>No, it ain't: >> ht

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-07 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 at 10:30:39 +0200 Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 at 17:12:27 -0400 > zap wrote: > > > Agreed! Talos is at least *LIBRE!* > > No, it ain't: > https://blog.rapid7.com/2013/07/02/a-penetration-testers-guide-to-ipmi/ > >

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-07 Thread Alessandro Selli
e of embedded computer used to provide out-of-band monitoring for desktops and servers. These products are sold under many brand names, including HP iLO, Dell DRAC, Sun ILOM, Fujitsu iRMC, *IBM IMM*, and Supermicro IPMI." IBM stuff is plagued by embedded controlware, too

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-06 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 06/09/2017 at 19:15, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > On 09/06/2017 06:36 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >>The steep price. >> > Uhh the laptops you guys are selling now cost just as much as TALOS... "you" whom? I am not a seller. > only they aren't own

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-06 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 at 15:58:17 +0100 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Alessandro Selli writes: > > What makes you think IBM is more trustable than Intel? Who, other than > > IBM, produces Power8 CPUs? Are the blueprints publicly available? > > You're just raising the ba

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-06 Thread Alessandro Selli
der (for more details on the structure of ME firmware, see this paper). > Imo seeing the awful state of X86 platforms, POWER is our only hope to > own what we buy. Not the only one. We also have ARM from a number of producers and Chinese and Russian RI

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-06 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 11:53:46 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: > On 09/05/2017 06:34 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >> On Sun, 3 Sep 2017 at 07:32:10 -0400 >> zap wrote: >> >>> On 09/03/2017 05:26 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: >>>> On 01/09/20

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-06 Thread Alessandro Selli
, complete with a dedicated processor, > filesystem and all! Yep, that's it! Three cores that run their own OS separated from the main CPU. Scary! -- Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9 __

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

2017-09-05 Thread Alessandro Selli
Noted in the current Linux Weekly News: discovery of a way to shoot > Intel ME version 11 in the head: https://lwn.net/Articles/732291/ Only realize it now, it's the same team and hack I read of today. > Coolness. Indeed. -- Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net

[DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-05 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sun, 3 Sep 2017 at 07:32:10 -0400 zap wrote: > > On 09/03/2017 05:26 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On 01/09/2017 at 20:36, zap wrote: >>>> I doubt it will be owner controlled, as their laptops aren't - they >>>> still haven't even gotten a blo

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

2017-09-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 03/09/2017 at 13:32, zap wrote: > > > On 09/03/2017 05:26 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On 01/09/2017 at 20:36, zap wrote: >>>> I doubt it will be owner controlled, as their laptops aren't - they >>>> still haven't even gotten a blobbed ve

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

2017-09-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 31/08/2017 at 15:24, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > On 31-08-17 10:14, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> >>Good news indeed! The second one this week, after this worthy attempt by >> puri.sm to finally produce a smartphone designed to be 100% evil-software >

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

2017-09-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 01/09/2017 at 20:36, zap wrote: > >>> >> I doubt it will be owner controlled, as their laptops aren't - they >> still haven't even gotten a blobbed version of coreboot working >> (blobbed init code + ME enabled as they insisted on a crappy intel soc) >> Purism isn't a trustworthy company. > Gee

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

2017-09-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 31/08/2017 at 16:40, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > On 08/31/2017 04:14 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >> On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 at 18:25:07 -0400 >> "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: >> >>> Thought I would share this! >>> >>> After what happened with

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

2017-08-31 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 at 18:25:07 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: > Thought I would share this! > > After what happened with TALOS 1 I can't believe they actually pulled it > off this time. > > This is truly a historic moment for computing freedom lovers - an owner > controlled open source ultra h

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-29 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 29/08/2017 at 15:20, Simon Hobson wrote: > Alessandro Selli wrote: > >>> I figure that over sizing the >>> drive will help with wear leveling. I'm not sure if that is a valid >>> assumption, however. >> >> I am convinced it is. The more cel

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-29 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 29/08/2017 at 13:14, Nate Bargmann wrote: > It has a 5 year warranty and is a few bucks cheaper than a 525 GB > Crucial MX 300 which has a 3 year warranty. Currently the lappie has a > 250 GB spinner that is working just fine. I figure that over sizing the > drive will help with wear leveling

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-28 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 at 12:58:24 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote: > El 28/08/17 a les 11:59, Alessandro Selli ha escrit: >> On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 at 17:18:28 -0500 >> d_pridge wrote: >> >>> Doesn't this affect the expected lifetime for an SSD? >> >>

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

2017-08-28 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 at 19:23:11 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 12:05:56AM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> >> This idea does has some merit, but it cannot always prevent the >> necessity to reconfigure a system's networking due to a hardware cha

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-28 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 at 17:18:28 -0500 d_pridge wrote: > Doesn't this affect the expected lifetime for an SSD? Little. AFAIK this used to be a more serious concern on the first generation of SSDs, because they suffered strongly from write-wear and because firmware, drivers and filesystems did

Re: [DNG] serial and ps2 ports.

2017-08-27 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 at 18:03:08 +0100 Simon Hobson wrote: [...] > AFAIK the underlying protocol for the keyboard is the same (or near enough > for simple conversion) between the two connector formats to allow for easy > conversion between plugs. They are, adaptors are purely mechanical. Ale

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

2017-08-26 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 12:41:49 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 10:36:16AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> So, this is again an advice that should be obvious for anyone, bold >> enough to delete parts of the file system, that can result in system >> breakage. >> >> There is a

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

2017-08-26 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 13:11:36 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 07:02:41PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 17:19:48 +0200 >> Didier Kryn wrote: >> >>> AFAIR I fully agreed on that and then it jumped into my face

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

2017-08-26 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 19:57:34 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 26/08/2017 à 19:02, Alessandro Selli a écrit : >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 17:19:48 +0200 >> Didier Kryn wrote: >> >>> AFAIR I fully agreed on that and then it jumped into my face that >>&g

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

2017-08-26 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 17:19:48 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > AFAIR I fully agreed on that and then it jumped into my face that > the renaming wasn't necessary at all, because it is sufficient to know > the MAC address and ignore completely the interface name. It is just > enough for this to

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-26 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 09:03:04 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > >> 1) they did not work (a lot of the times); > > That was not true in my long and varied experience. This was true in thousands of other people's exp

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

2017-08-26 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 15:04:51 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 26/08/2017 à 14:14, Alessandro Selli a écrit : >>> My main subject was questionning the necessity of renaming network >>> interfaces (with my answer to the question). Since nobody argumented >>> t

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-26 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 at 01:03:10 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > Hi! > I'd like to recommend another improvement: let's make the installer default > to noatime for fstab it creates. I agree. Alessandro ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://ma

Re: [DNG] fvwm

2017-08-26 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 at 03:59:17 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 06:13:30PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: >> So, anyway, X11 somewhat sucks. (Will Wayland suck less? Don't hold >> your breath waiting.) > > On one hand, X desperately needed a clean rewrite, at least 30 years ago.

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-26 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 at 22:46:28 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: [...] > (and, for what it's worth, my preference is to stick with ethX as a > default, My favourite choice for the default behaviour, too. Alessandro ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.or

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-26 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 23:23:47 +0200 (CEST) k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Manually creating xorg.conf is required if you e.g. has a serial > (rs232) mouse. Who does? Really, who today uses a mouse based on a technology that went out of production some 15 years ago and uses a connector that is ab

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-26 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 14:32:39 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Red Hat's > easy/GUI X configuration tool was called Xconfigurator.[1] I vaguely > recall that SUSE and Debian, among many others, had various other ones > with a variety of names. They were all dropped for the same reasons: 1) they d

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

2017-08-26 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 at 15:13:40 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: [...] > My main subject was questionning the necessity of renaming network > interfaces (with my answer to the question). Since nobody argumented > that renaming was necessary, it is clear for me that renaming is a > feature invent

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 23:18:19 +0200 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:00:12 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message > <20170823180012.327dbdc8@ayu>: > >> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 14:22:34 +0200 >> Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:34:49 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-23 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 18:50:35 +0200 Edward Bartolo wrote: > Sometimes there are advantages in opting to use the old way. Sometimes. But electric car starters are not anything new, they were patented in 1911, 15 years after they were first produced, at a time when Artificial Intelligence mea

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-23 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 10:06:26 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > >> Not having to login as root to manually configure Xorg just to change >> video card or monitor was one of the best and most wanted improvements in >> Li

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-23 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 14:22:34 +0200 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:34:49 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message > : > >> On 22/08/2017 at 13:36, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >>> On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 03:38:50 +0200, Adam wrote in message >>> <20170822013850.ute5cf7ycrlvc...@angband.pl>: >>>

Re: [DNG] new behaviour of /dev

2017-08-23 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 05:22:20 -0400 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:24:28 +0200 > Alessandro Selli wrote: > >>> I really don't know why so many people think hotplugging is a major >>> need, anyway. I happily used Linux for a very

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-23 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 22/08/2017 at 15:36, Didier Kryn wrote: [...] > The advantage of supporting an option like "hwaddr=a0:d3:c1:9d:a5:86" > is that the admin is free to specify interfaces by names or by MAC > address. Of course, there is now the possibility to change the MAC address > of an interface, but thi

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-23 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 22/08/2017 at 02:01, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > >> Manually creating the configuration -- or even manually triggering its >> creation -- is a pretty bad idea. It just guarantees you won't have >> working X when you make any change to your hardware -- and

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-23 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 22/08/2017 at 13:36, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 03:38:50 +0200, Adam wrote in message > <20170822013850.ute5cf7ycrlvc...@angband.pl>: > >> There are cases when the old way had its merit -- but here, we have an >> equivalent of a car that needs to be started with a hand-crank. >

Re: [DNG] new behaviour of /dev

2017-08-23 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 22/08/2017 at 15:22, Rick Moen wrote: > I really don't know why so many people think hotplugging is a major > need, anyway. I happily used Linux for a very long time before it > existed. People were happy even before the steam engine was invented. Alessandro __

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-08-21 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 at 22:24:58 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > As a wee lad, my mentors told me never to put two of the same model > NICs in a computer, because which one became eth0 and which became eth1 > would be indeterminate from boot to boot. What about the numerous cases when you cannot chos

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-08-21 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 at 12:56:24 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > In any case the admin must either hack /etc/network/interfaces or > the udev rules. But I think this little inconveniency is better than the > meaningless device names promoted by Systemd people. And the other network cards can

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-08-21 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 at 10:32:43 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote: [...] > This logic does not guarantee 100% predictable naming (think about > removable NICs), but gives enough confort to a sysadmin deals any with > situation. If it's not 100% predictable and configurable by the sysadmin then it doe

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-08-21 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 at 09:22:22 +0100 Simon Hobson wrote: [...] > I suppose that one REALLY good way to fix the problem (at least in the > server & desktop areas) is actually to undo a lot of "progress" and make > all driver and service initiation strictly linear. Ie, do away with all > this par

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-08-20 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 at 17:24:30 +0200 viverna wrote: > il devuanizzato Daniel Reurich il 20/08/17 alle > ore 15:38 ha scritto: > > This would lead network interface names default to the old "eth0" or > > "wlan0" scheme, rather than the new(?) "enp0s3"-like scheme. It implies > > having "net.ifna

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

2017-08-19 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 19/08/2017 at 09:48, Svante Signell wrote: > On Sat, 2017-08-19 at 08:05 +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On 18/08/2017 at 23:25, Svante Signell wrote: >>> >>> Hi Dave, did you see my mail about interfaces being renamed? This >>> one >>> from Ste

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

2017-08-18 Thread Alessandro Selli
245.GA11943@sprite> <2d852491-36c6-a221-76f1-fa8e6a06a...@barradas.free-online.co.uk> As you can see, there is not your email's Message-ID, which means Steve did not reply to your message or to any message that was replyed to yours. For this rea

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

2017-08-18 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 at 16:34:30 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > >>>> "This is a NOMMU chip, implemented as Harvard architecture (separate >>>> Instruction and Data busses) with a 5 stage pipeline, with 16k

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

2017-08-17 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 at 15:14:26 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > >> Plus, it seems to target SoC and IoT devices rather than desktops: >> >> http://j-core.org/roadmap.html > > _Initially_, yes. But not thereafte

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

2017-08-17 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 at 23:11:32 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 01:26:15PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > I'm watching the J-Core project, which has resurrected the Hitachi > > SuperH SH3/SH4 architecture as the patents expire, and should have a > > fully fleshed 64-bit RISC sys

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

2017-08-17 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 at 10:05:55 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 02:17:03AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Every time one uses the word "cgroups" he's subtly arguing for > > systemd. Every time one uses the word "DE" he's subtly arguing for > > complex, and usually bloated, GO

Re: [DNG] openssl/libssl1 in Debian has disabled TLS 1.0 & 1.1

2017-08-16 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 at 13:24:36 +0200 Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 at 11:56:46 +0100 > ael wrote: > > [...] > > > Devuan needs to avoid importing this problem. > > It also needs to avoid been labelled as an unsafe distro, one of the few¹

Re: [DNG] openssl/libssl1 in Debian has disabled TLS 1.0 & 1.1

2017-08-16 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 at 11:56:46 +0100 ael wrote: [...] > Devuan needs to avoid importing this problem. It also needs to avoid been labelled as an unsafe distro, one of the few¹ to still support unsecure protocols. After all, TLS v. 2.0 is from 1995, quite a long time ago. 1) It would be int

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

2017-08-16 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 at 13:48:37 -0400 Haines Brown wrote: > It would be naive to think that CPU producers don't build in a > backdoor. This is why I take an interest in Chinese CPUs. There are also processors produced from Russian firms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_microproc

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

2017-08-16 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 at 07:59:34 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote: > El 15/08/17 a les 21:33, Simon Hobson ha escrit: >> Narcis Garcia wrote: >> >>> As Far As I Know, CPU makes what software asks to do. >>> If software doesn't call some CPU functions, those functions will not >>> work. >> >> Well,

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

2017-08-15 Thread Alessandro Selli
d customer’s] unique feature into the product, as long as it doesn’t make the die so much bigger that it becomes a cost burden for everyone else,” says Bryant. “When we ship it to Customer A, he’ll see it. Customer B has no idea that feature is there.” -- Alessandro Selli Tel. 3701355486 VOIP

Re: [DNG] donating a host

2017-08-12 Thread Alessandro Selli
is thinking about a Devuan porting to such an architecture. But I think Ultrasparc III too are a bit too old to spend the time required to port a modern GNU/Linux distribution on it. Greetings, -- Alessandro Selli Tel. 3701355486 VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiave P

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Status of releasebot and updates to www.devuan.org

2017-08-12 Thread Alessandro Selli
Il 12/08/2017 20:04, Jaromil ha scritto: > apologies, this mail was meant to the -dev list, which is still > public, so sincere apologies for cross-posting, it really wasn't > meant. It was a good reading, though! :-) Greetings, -- Alessandro Selli Tel. 3701355486 VOIP

Re: [DNG] systemd'oh! DNS lib underscore bug bites everyone's favorite init tool, blanks Netflix

2017-07-24 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 at 00:13:08 +0200 Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 07/24/2017 11:37 PM, Ozi Traveller wrote: > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/24/underscore_domain_name_bug/ > > > > Oops! > Actually (and TBH..), this is a bug in libidn2, which isn't in systemd > source tree...at least for n

Re: [DNG] systemd'oh! DNS lib underscore bug bites everyone's favorite init tool, blanks Netflix

2017-07-24 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 at 07:37:10 +1000 Ozi Traveller wrote: > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/24/underscore_domain_name_bug/ Quote: «His speculation that libidn2, which adds internationalised domain names support to the resolver, was at fault turned out to be accu

Re: [DNG] Please keep 32-bits alive

2017-07-24 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 at 21:52:23 +0200 Ruediger Meier wrote: > On Monday 24 July 2017, Joachim Fahrner wrote: >> Am 2017-07-24 20:34, schrieb Hendrik Boom: >>> How much source code actually cares whether pointers are 32 or 64 >>> bits? >> >> Clean written code should not care about pointers or

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