Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-07-08 Thread Dean Anderson
I'm not confusing zone boundardies with label boundaries. 32 levels is the worst case. In practice, it'll probably be much more than 3 or 4 levels, but probably in most cases fewer than 32. But it is widely expected to be very problematic to maintain, and has always been problematic to maintain,

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-07-08 Thread Mark Andrews
e will introduce extra levels of delegation. Mark > >From: Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: > >To: Joe Abley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.tx

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-07-08 Thread Florian Weimer
* 黄理灿: > If total number of PTR records is smail, that is right. But if most > of IPv6 address space is used, one zone can not keep many PTR > records. This will leads to many hierarchical zones. I don't think this is true. Even standard DNS servers scale to millions of records in a single zone

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-07-08 Thread 黄理灿
TED]> >Subject: Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt >Date:Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:09:11 +0200 > >* Joe Abley: > >>> 9.8.7.6.5.0.4.0.0.0.3.0.0.0.2.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1.2.3.4.IP6. >>>

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-07-08 Thread Florian Weimer
* Joe Abley: >> 9.8.7.6.5.0.4.0.0.0.3.0.0.0.2.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1.2.3.4.IP6. >> ARPA. > > ... such a PTR record would most likely be obtained by following four > (root -> ip6.arpa -> RIR sever -> LIR server -> assignee server) o

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-07-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 6 Jul 2008, at 18:16, Dean Anderson wrote: Oh yeah--That's right. 32 levels--Much worse than I said. No. To reiterate the point that I saw Fred making... I wrote up many of the issues with reverse dns about 1.5 years ago. I submitted it to the IETF, but there was no interest in publi

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-07-06 Thread Dean Anderson
Oh yeah--That's right. 32 levels--Much worse than I said. I wrote up many of the issues with reverse dns about 1.5 years ago. I submitted it to the IETF, but there was no interest in publishing this information. http://www.av8.net/draft-anderson-reverse-dns-status-01.txt The following example wa

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-30 Thread Frederico A C Neves
Mr. Anderson, On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 05:36:04PM -0400, Dean Anderson wrote: > A number of the points you raise have already been addressed. > > The IPV6 Reverse resolution question has been discussed at length in > DNSEXT previously. In fact, it was proposed to remove reverse resolution > entire

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-28 Thread 黄理灿
ean Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt >Date:Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:27:11 +0200 > >Dean Anderson (dean) writes: >> A number of the points you raise have already been addressed. > > Hi Dean, > >

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-28 Thread Phil Regnauld
Dean Anderson (dean) writes: > A number of the points you raise have already been addressed. Hi Dean, Where ? > The IPV6 Reverse resolution question has been discussed at length in > DNSEXT previously. In fact, it was proposed to remove reverse resolution > entirely from IPV6 for

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-28 Thread Dean Anderson
A number of the points you raise have already been addressed. The IPV6 Reverse resolution question has been discussed at length in DNSEXT previously. In fact, it was proposed to remove reverse resolution entirely from IPV6 for just the reason Dr. Huang notes. A 128 bit IPV6 address is 16 octets.

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-28 Thread Phil Regnauld
Edward Lewis wrote: > [0] - I cringe when I see a response to a new idea that contains that > phrase. It can be so, um, anti-innovative and un-motivating plus > antagonistic. Sometimes the application of a tool to a problem may be > wrong though sometimes it can spark another idea. I

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 27 Jun 2008, at 10:37, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: More seriously, if there is no ".com" name server in China, it is indeed a problem (but I do not know if it is true or not) If that was true, I think it would be a problem for Verisign, and for Chinese Internet users, and possibly ICANN,

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-27 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 05:28:48PM +0800, ?? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 39 lines which said: > If ISP located at China with domain name with www.*.com, then > probably unreachable because of its RR stored in the DN Server > located at USA. We (the ".fr" registry) always use thi

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-26 Thread Dean Anderson
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 25 Jun 2008, at 21:42, Dean Anderson wrote: > > > There is nothing misleading in "The ISP". > > Apart from the fact that it's singular, which was the basis of the > only technical point it seemed to me that you tried to make. My point was not base

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-26 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 09:42:35PM -0400, Dean Anderson wrote: > And furthermore, these two China servers don't benefit any ISP in China > that doesn't peer with ISC, so Dr. Huang's hypothetical scenario is > true, as previously demonstrated, despite Mr. Abley's humorous > assertions about their "

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-26 Thread Niall O'Reilly
On 26 Jun 2008, at 06:13, 黄理灿 wrote: If queries can not find the right data in the local cache, this draft goes to the servers in the upper layer of tree or the servers having the minimun hop distance with authoritative server, instead of going to the root servers. You seem to be assumi

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-26 Thread 黄理灿
P2P technology. >From: Joao Damas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: >To: 黄理ç?<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt >Date:Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:17:05 +0200 > > >On Jun 25, 2008, at 10:58 AM, 黄理ç?

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-25 Thread 黄理灿
with authoritative server, instead of going to the root servers. This draft can work well in sub networks when they are disconnected with other outside networks. >From: Edward Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: >To: dnsop@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draf

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-25 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 25 jun 2008, at 14.17, Joao Damas wrote: On Jun 25, 2008, at 10:58 AM, 黄理灿 wrote: For example, the fibre cables connecting US with China was broken by earthquake, then almost all web pages was unreachable even the machine was in China because of root servers are located in USA. Not so

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25 Jun 2008, at 21:42, Dean Anderson wrote: There is nothing misleading in "The ISP". Apart from the fact that it's singular, which was the basis of the only technical point it seemed to me that you tried to make. Joe ___ DNSOP mailing list

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-25 Thread Dean Anderson
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 25 Jun 2008, at 16:08, Dean Anderson wrote: > > > According to this page, both F-root servers in China are "local > > nodes", meaning they don't advertise their route outside of the ISP > > they are connected to. > > "The ISP" is misleading; both F-r

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25 Jun 2008, at 16:08, Dean Anderson wrote: According to this page, both F-root servers in China are "local nodes", meaning they don't advertise their route outside of the ISP they are connected to. "The ISP" is misleading; both F-root nodes in the PRC are connected to popular exchange

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-25 Thread David Conrad
if only ICANN were to publish the root zone publicly instead of only to root server operators. You mean like http://www.internic.net/domain/root.zone that has been published since, oh, 1996 or so? Regards, -drc ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.or

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-25 Thread Dean Anderson
According to this page, both F-root servers in China are "local nodes", meaning they don't advertise their route outside of the ISP they are connected to. In fact, all copies of F-root except 2 (below) are local nodes, and the two that aren't, are quite close geographically. ISC doesn't publish

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-25 Thread Dean Anderson
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 04:58:18PM +0800, > ?? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > a message of 85 lines which said: > > > Thanks, Dean, > > Lican, I must tell you that associating with a known troll like > D. A. is not a good idea to spread your

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-25 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 04:58:18PM +0800, ?? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 85 lines which said: > Thanks, Dean, Lican, I must tell you that associating with a known troll like D. A. is not a good idea to spread your ideas. Almost everything in his message is completely wrong (for

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-25 Thread Edward Lewis
Regarding: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt This document begins with a faulty problem statement, shows an apparent misunderstanding of how the DNS functions and seems to not recognize what DNS's great strengths are. Whether the idea is a "solut

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-25 Thread Paul Vixie
> From: "黄理灿" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >... almost all web pages was unreachable even the machine was in China > because of root servers are located in USA. ... according to http://f.root-servers.org/, there are two f-root servers in china. if you have local contacts within china, please help us

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-25 Thread Joao Damas
On Jun 25, 2008, at 10:58 AM, 黄理灿 wrote: For example, the fibre cables connecting US with China was broken by earthquake, then almost all web pages was unreachable even the machine was in China because of root servers are located in USA. Not so. Have a look at http://www.isc.org/ops/f-ro

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25 Jun 2008, at 04:58, 黄理灿 wrote: For example, the fibre cables connecting US with China was broken by earthquake, then almost all web pages was unreachable even the machine was in China because of root servers are located in USA. Note that this isn't even close to being true, and hasn'

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-25 Thread 黄理灿
AIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt >Date:Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:39:10 -0400 (EDT) > >Dr. Lican Huang > >It is perfectly clear now that the current IPv6 Root DNS architecture is >deeply flawed. It is strange that Paul V

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-24 Thread Dean Anderson
Dr. Lican Huang It is perfectly clear now that the current IPv6 Root DNS architecture is deeply flawed. It is strange that Paul Vixie asserts that there are no future load problems, since Paul Vixie has previously asserted that DNS Anycast is a solution to these future load problems. RFC1546 stat

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-24 Thread bill fumerola
> Paul Vixie (vixie) writes: > > therefore while i find your proposed solution to be of high quality, there > > is a cost in overall system complexity for adding a virtual routing layer to > > the DNS, which would have to be justified by a much more complete problem > > statement and an objective a

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-24 Thread Phil Regnauld
Paul Vixie (vixie) writes: > > therefore while i find your proposed solution to be of high quality, there > is a cost in overall system complexity for adding a virtual routing layer to > the DNS, which would have to be justified by a much more complete problem > statement and an objective analysis

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-24 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("黄理灿") writes: > Hi, > > I have updated distributed DNS implementation in Ipv6. > > Please give your comments. > > Thanks. > > Dr. Lican Huang thank you for your work on this. i find no support for this assertion: 1. Introduction Although DNS becomes a

Re: [DNSOP] I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt

2008-06-24 Thread 黄理灿
Hi, I have updated distributed DNS implementation in Ipv6. Please give your comments. Thanks. Dr. Lican Huang >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-licanhuang-dnsop-distributeddns-04.txt >Date:Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:45:01 -0700